abortion

[Gusoceros]

AND YOU WALK ON BY GODS JUSTICE AND STANDARDS AND I WILL RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOU . AND MURDER IS NOT GOD AND HE DOESN'T MURDER PEOPLE,BUT JUSTLY LIKE IN THE GARDEN FOR EATING THE FRUIT DISOBEYING GODS RULE ARE PENALTY IS DEATH FOR EATING THE FRUIT. THAT WHY WE DIE OR HE TAKE ARE BODY (WHAT EVER) YOU GET MY POINT.

We are in agreement friend.

 

[teishpriest]

GENESIS 9:1-8 READ AND YOU MAKE SUBSTANDARDS FOR GODS WAY OF LIFE FOR US. HIS WORD THE ETHICS ARE THERE

Not sure what you are trying to say. Later in the OT God laid out certain crimes that were punishable by death. My point was that capital punishment is done by God's authority. Again emphasizing the fact that authority over life and death is God's alone.

 

[Gusoceros]

OK, God ALONE has authority over life and death. He appoints a time for us to be born, and a time for us to die. It's not up to us to alter His timeline for anyone's life. There are certain times when He grants someone the authority to end someone's life, for example, He grants governments the authority to put to death evildoers, etc. But in the end, the authority is always God's.

Well put.

G

 

[allhart]

Not sure what you are trying to say. Later in the OT God laid out certain crimes that were punishable by death. My point was that capital punishment is done by God's authority. Again emphasizing the fact that authority over life and death is God's alone.

and answer me on genesis 9: 1-8 who give us the authority. (By mans hand) GOD gave us the authority and it apply s in are live today GOD NEVER CHANGES HIS MIND. Its plainly written for all to comprehend.

 

[teishpriest]

and answer me on genesis 9: 1-8 who give us the authority. (By mans hand) GOD gave us the authority and it apply s in are live today GOD NEVER CHANGES HIS MIND. Its plainly written for all to comprehend.

In Leviticus God commanded the "death penalty" for certain crimes. Therefore, he gave the civil government the authority to carry it out. It was all done under God's authority, as He is the one who gave the law. Now, I certainly do not interpret this to mean that abortion for any reason is OK. Reading more of Leviticus will reveal that there were stiff penalties for death of an unborn that was accidental! I can't base something on just a few verses, it has to fall in line with scripture in its entirety.

 

[Ave Maria]

Abortion is murder and is always wrong! The Early Church Fathers agreed on this.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Abortion.asp

 

[teishpriest]

Abortion is murder and is always wrong! The Early Church Fathers agreed on this.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Abortion.asp

AMEN!!!

 

[allhart]

In Leviticus God commanded the "death penalty" for certain crimes. Therefore, he gave the civil government the authority to carry it out. It was all done under God's authority, as He is the one who gave the law. Now, I certainly do not interpret this to mean that abortion for any reason is OK. Reading more of Leviticus will reveal that there were stiff penalties for death of an unborn that was accidental! I can't base something on just a few verses, it has to fall in line with scripture in its entirety.

WELL AS PEOPLE FRIEND WE NEED TO DO SOME THING FOR THE BABIES. THEY CAN DO ANYTHING BUT DIE.(GOD BLESS YOU)

 

[teishpriest]

WELL AS PEOPLE FRIEND WE NEED TO DO SOME THING FOR THE BABIES. THEY CAN DO ANYTHING BUT DIE.(GOD BLESS YOU)

I do NOT disagree with that. I was trying to point out that God has authority in this area, and at time delegates that authority. Abortion IS NOT one of those times!!!! Scripture CLEARLY shows that it is WRONG! I think we are actually agreeing, but maybe misunderstanding each other. LOL! The drawback of not talking face to face!

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

As far as I'm concerned, abortion is completely wrong. And it isn't even for biblical reasons (they do help though). You have a baby who is completely innocent and if killed will not even have the chance to prove his worth to God and you have the mother who's lived life and who is not innocent in the least.

Pre-borns are the most innocent of God's creations. But it's apparent that just because they're vulnerable and because apprently womanly integrity is a means for murder, it's alright for them to be aborted.

Perhaps in case where the client is young (I'm thinking 11 or under) and it was rape, fine. But otherwise, it's selfish. Especially since most cases AREN'T rape. Rape victims are usually very sympathetic after that trauma and the only reason they'd get rid of their baby is for financial reasons, fear of the adoption system, those sort of things.

Everyone else brought it upon themselves. If you preform sex there is always that chance. So if you don't want a child, stay abstinate. Don't waste a life and a lot of money because of your selfish and stupid choices.

 

[allhart]

As far as I'm concerned, abortion is completely wrong. And it isn't even for biblical reasons (they do help though). You have a baby who is completely innocent and if killed will not even have the chance to prove his worth to God and you have the mother who's lived life and who is not innocent in the least.

Pre-borns are the most innocent of God's creations. But it's apparent that just because they're vulnerable and because apprently womanly integrity is a means for murder, it's alright for them to be aborted.

Perhaps in case where the client is young (I'm thinking 11 or under) and it was rape, fine. But otherwise, it's selfish. Especially since most cases AREN'T rape. Rape victims are usually very sympathetic after that trauma and the only reason they'd get rid of their baby is for financial reasons, fear of the adoption system, those sort of things.

Everyone else brought it upon themselves. If you preform sex there is always that chance. So if you don't want a child, stay abstinate. Don't waste a life and a lot of money because of your selfish and stupid choices.

RIGHT ON, EXCEPT ON RAPE MY SISTER WAS RAPED AND LOREN WAS STILL INNOCENT AND HE IS A BUNDLE OF JOY TO MY SISTER AND FAMILY. GOD STILL BLESS EVEN THOUGHT PEOPLE SIN.

 

[seekthetruth909]

Not once formed. For your statistic to be true, we would have to include fertilized eggs as well, BEFORE implantation.

Out of six children, I only miscarried one BEFORE it was fully formed i.e. at six weeks gestation. None were miscarried after being formed.

St Augustine drew the distinction between formed and unformed fetuses. These days the abortion clinics request that a woman waits until AFTER the fetus is six weeks old before having an abortion so that they can view it on the monitor. There is something very, very wrong with that policy, IMO.

Usually, when an unformed fetus (i.e. an embryo, blastocyst or zygote) is naturally rejected by the woman's body, it is because there is something wrong with it. In other words it is non-viable or severely handicapped. This natural occurrence is very different to people going to the abortion clinic and waiting until after six weeks gestation, when, in actual fact, because it has not been naturally aborted yet, the embryo is, most likely, not severely handicapped.

Also, there are stages of development which should be respected. Once the brain starts being formed (before six weeks gestation), some people believe that the child's soul is present. That should be respected.

Excellent points!

 

[savedfromdistruction]

The majority of conceptions are spontaneously aborted. Does God also murder innocent babies?

That is an absolute false atetement. The majjority of conceptions are NOT spontaneously aborted. babies do die in the womb from natural causes and from unnatural causes and both are because of our fallen state. Abortions done by men are all sin and will be judged.I have a short video on my web page dealing with abortion.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I have read no posts here. Just wanted to say that no woman who loves herself would ever have an abortion.

 

[LittleladyinChrist]

Yah just wanted to add my two cents too. Any person who believes in Jesus and believes His Word knows that Abortion is wrong. Any argument is from people who dont believe the Word of God to be true and lean on their own understanding.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

[Confess]

Yah just wanted to add my two cents too. Any person who believes in Jesus and believes His Word knows that Abortion is wrong. Any argument is from people who dont believe the Word of God to be true and lean on their own understanding.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Very good. I would like to add my own quote, "Don't trust those who speak of death as if the death of someone would be beneficial."

 

[teishpriest]

Some excellent quotes and verses in this thread!

I am so mad that people will lie to and use women and girls just to make money. Face it, abortion makes a lot of people a lot of money. The industry exploits women just as prostitution does. It's no better.

I wish I could help every girl and woman considering abortion understand the consequences of their actions. It makes me cry to think of how little their parents and the baby's father must think of them in order to pressure them to abort their own baby.

We live in truly evil times. It must sadden God to see us killing the little blessings that He sends us.

 

[LittleladyinChrist]

I forgot to add that 3 years ago, about 2 months before I was saved, I had an abortion at 20 weeks of pregnancy. I can testify of the aweful reprecutions of this, and other things that you reap, such as depression. I dont know a single woman who has had an abortion who hasnt been depressed after. Woman who do this are desperate, and they need Jesus Christ. I praise God for his forgiveness to the vilest of sinners.

 

[teishpriest]

LittleladyinChrist, thank you for sharing with us. Praise God that He brought you to faith in Him! I truly ache for all the mothers who have an abortion. I miscarried two little ones, and I know the pain of that, but I can't imagine what it must have been like for you. I also carry the guilt of having used the Pill for about four years after I was married. I likely aborted at least one child in that time because of the effects of the Pill. The realization of that brought me to my knees before God, and still brings me to tears. I am thankful that He loves me and forgives me in spite of my evil heart. I still have blood on my hands, and I pray that my daughters will be able to avoid my bad choices.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I forgot to add that 3 years ago, about 2 months before I was saved, I had an abortion at 20 weeks of pregnancy. I can testify of the aweful reprecutions of this, and other things that you reap, such as depression. I dont know a single woman who has had an abortion who hasnt been depressed after. Woman who do this are desperate, and they need Jesus Christ. I praise God for his forgiveness to the vilest of sinners.

My prayers will always be with. Peace.