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Abortion is wrong!
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I consider myself pro-life because I think that babies should be carried to full term but I don't think that the government should legally tell someone what to do with thier own bodies, it is a personal choice and for me it would be pro-life, but I do recognize that everyone has different circumstances and have to make their own decisions and that it is their choice to make.
So maybe I am a little of both. I just don't think that a group of politicians should tell us women what to do with our bodies when they can't even keep control of their own.
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RealityCheck
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That would be because we've all been 14, we've all been just like you, and now that we're in our thirties and forties, we realize just how little 14 year olds know about anything. They think they are well informed and know a lot... but they don't.
Give it about 15 years - and you'll see exactly what I mean.
Yes, there are real issues facing your generation, and you have a right to express your opinions, but when you are expressing an opinion that is ill-informed and based on nothing but emotion, you're not doing yourself any favors.
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And that is exactly what pro-choice means - keeping the government out of what is a personal choice.
You personally would not have an abortion - great! There need to be a lot more people like you that can be rational and intelligent about their personal decisions. But neither would you want the government to make your personal choices and beliefs into law - and whether you see it this way or not, that is exactly what pro-choice is all about.
No one who supports a woman's right to choose ever takes the extreme position of "all pregnancies must end in an abortion," unlike the other extremist end, which is "all pregnancies must be carried to term regardless of circumstances." Those who support choice support whatever choice is made - whether that is to terminate a pregnancy early, to carry the child to term and raise the child, or give the child for adoption, etc.
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RealityCheck
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JesusFreak, you posted this:
which, by mod standards, would be "flaming" and is a violation of CF rules. You are personally attacking atheists in an insulting manner with this post.
which, by mod standards, would be "flaming" and is a violation of CF rules. You are personally attacking atheists in an insulting manner with this post.
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Recovering Philosopher:
Please do not insult me! And I don't appreciate all of the talking about me as if I were an object.
Please do not insult me! And I don't appreciate all of the talking about me as if I were an object.
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marblehead
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Prove it. Nobody has been able to.The bible is true.
It is as the days of Noah.
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It makes me almost literally sick to think that someone would force a child upon my sick body or my already "suffering" family (suffering due to my illness). The financial strain alone would be disastrous. We don't know what that illness is, but it appears to be infectious of some kind (something similar to Lyme Disease but more destructive). Without that full/clear diagnosis, I cannot imagine a doctor claiming that I absolutely couldn't carry a child to term, but it would cause such distress on my body and mind that it would be almost like a death sentence to me.
I would need to stop taking a myriad of important medications, including narcotic pain relievers, that would definitely harm the baby if continued and would probably very much have done so before even finding out that I'm pregnant. So I'd either have a very handicapped child or risk stopping meds that I need to function on a daily basis.
I cannot take birth control pills, but do use condoms. Condoms aren't the most reliable of protections, but to suggest that I shouldn't make love to my husband of over 14 years because I *might* become pregnant is beyond absurd.
Someone would have a world of hurt thrust upon them if they even suggested that an abortion was legally out of the picture for me.
To those who don't believe in abortion for any reason: If they *did* say it would be too much of a risk, then does that somehow make the "child" I'm carrying less worthy of life and it would be okay to abort, or I should risk my health and life, as the mother to two children who need me, to carry it, regardless?
I would need to stop taking a myriad of important medications, including narcotic pain relievers, that would definitely harm the baby if continued and would probably very much have done so before even finding out that I'm pregnant. So I'd either have a very handicapped child or risk stopping meds that I need to function on a daily basis.
I cannot take birth control pills, but do use condoms. Condoms aren't the most reliable of protections, but to suggest that I shouldn't make love to my husband of over 14 years because I *might* become pregnant is beyond absurd.
Someone would have a world of hurt thrust upon them if they even suggested that an abortion was legally out of the picture for me.
To those who don't believe in abortion for any reason: If they *did* say it would be too much of a risk, then does that somehow make the "child" I'm carrying less worthy of life and it would be okay to abort, or I should risk my health and life, as the mother to two children who need me, to carry it, regardless?
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Ok, if you say so.
I´m confused now. What is it you want to discuss: Abortion or mothers murdering their children? I think you will have a hard time finding someone who advocates women murdering their children.
Yes: "Period. Any thoughts?" is a mixed message.
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When you stop insulting the other people posting in this forum, they might stop insulting you.
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We are not animals. God created us special & intelligent beings, over the animals. I really have no more room for debate on that subject. No one is going to sway my opinion that there are NO fallacies in the Bible.
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Reality Check, I have insulted no one on this site! I simply meant, that since athiests believe that there is no God, that they do not have a higher moral consience yo answer to.
Freedom of speech, O mighty ones.
Freedom of speech, O mighty ones.
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Maybe they don´t think all young people are mindless idiots, maybe they don´t even think you are a mindless idiot, maybe they just think your arguments are somewhat lacking and tell you what they find lacking?
Maybe it´s just the way you come across, that makes it a bit hard to take your contributions seriously?
My rule of thumb: As long as someone says "...are all mindless idiots" I don´t see any reason to think that he thinks "....are all mindless idiots".
Sure, but everyone else has the right to express their opinion about them and your opinion about it, as well.
It certainly isn´t in many respects. There are some constants, though.
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If you already know everything then why are you here?We are not animals. God created us special & intelligent beings, over the animals. I really have no more room for debate on that subject. No one is going to sway my opinion that there are NO fallacies in the Bible.
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