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What you say about atheists is wrong. Learn about who you're debating with in order not to repeat fallacies.
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Abortion is wrong!
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What you say about atheists is wrong. Learn about who you're debating with in order not to repeat fallacies.
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Wow, you have much to learn about people who are different from you. I would be pleased to start a new thread with you in order to argue that you are wrong about my conscience. Are you ready to have this conversation yet, or will you continue to lash out until the world closes you off entirely?
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mur·der
1.Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder
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Do you think abortion would be one of the most contentious issues in our society if it were really this simple?
Murder is the violent taking of another person's life. A fetus is not a person, it is the potential of a person. This is one area where we disagree. We also disagree on rights: whether a fetus has rights, and if so whether these rights override the mother's.
Our ability to calmly and rationally study issues and problems is what separates humans from the rest of the animals. Let's not stop now, OK?
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Goodness!! how can you possibly say that a fetus is not a person?!?! It is a living person. study some science, people!
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Define person.
Here's some common definitions.
- an individual human being, esp. with reference to his or her social relationships and behavioral patterns as conditioned by the culture.
- a self-conscious or rational being.
- the actual self or individual personality of a human being
- human being (natural person) or a group of human beings, a corporation, a partnership, an estate, or other legal entity (artificial person or juristic person) recognized by law as having rights and duties.
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Disgusting. Abortion is the ultimate irresponsibility! Abortion is murder and there is no way to get around that. It is a grave sin and will send a person to Hell unless they confess it and get forgiven.This one again.
You're still telling women what to do with their bodies if you say "no sex unless you want a child".
I think it shows responsibility to have an abortion rather than having and raising a child you don't want.
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I don't believe a clump of cells is a child anymore than an acorn is an Oak tree.
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JESUSFREAK,
I have been reading a number of your recent threads, and all of them have this one thing in common:
You sound like you are merely parroting and repeating ideas and arguments that you have picked up from where....? Church, your parents, Sunday School, Christian websites? You are 14. I hate to break it to you, but at 14, you are still a child, learning about the world, easily bent and influenced by those around you. You simply do not have the life experience yet to have formed your own opinions of the things you are talking about. This is explicitly clear by your inability to argue your points in a cohesive and persuasive manner.
What is your experience with abortion, with dating, other than merely being told by someone else that they are wrong??
I was like you at 14. I allowed myself to believe the things I was told by my parents, by my church. All of the things you are spouting about were the same things I was spouting....without actually understanding what I was saying. But then a funny thing happened. I grew up. I starting reading books and websites and material that wasn't force-fed to me by my parents or their church. I started forming my own opinions, based on my own research and elife experience.
You will become your own person someday. In the meantime, read, broaden your mind, get some life experience, challenge the things you are being told. There is a whole world out there, and you will be doing yourself a grave disservice by limiting yourself to a narrow world-view inflicted upon you by others.
When you have done that, come back and debate these things. They are important issues that deserve to be examined by people who have educated themselves and formed solid, defensible opinions.
Enjoy your youth!
MTA: I just want to make it clear that I am not attacking the beliefs you are sharing...rather, I am challenging you to make your beliefs your own before attempting to debate them. As you gain experience, do your research, and learn for yourself, you may find that you do, in fact, embrace these things you have been told. I admire well-informed debate from anyone who has taken the time to form opinions for themselves, whether or not they happen to agree with my own.
I have been reading a number of your recent threads, and all of them have this one thing in common:
You sound like you are merely parroting and repeating ideas and arguments that you have picked up from where....? Church, your parents, Sunday School, Christian websites? You are 14. I hate to break it to you, but at 14, you are still a child, learning about the world, easily bent and influenced by those around you. You simply do not have the life experience yet to have formed your own opinions of the things you are talking about. This is explicitly clear by your inability to argue your points in a cohesive and persuasive manner.
What is your experience with abortion, with dating, other than merely being told by someone else that they are wrong??
I was like you at 14. I allowed myself to believe the things I was told by my parents, by my church. All of the things you are spouting about were the same things I was spouting....without actually understanding what I was saying. But then a funny thing happened. I grew up. I starting reading books and websites and material that wasn't force-fed to me by my parents or their church. I started forming my own opinions, based on my own research and elife experience.
You will become your own person someday. In the meantime, read, broaden your mind, get some life experience, challenge the things you are being told. There is a whole world out there, and you will be doing yourself a grave disservice by limiting yourself to a narrow world-view inflicted upon you by others.
When you have done that, come back and debate these things. They are important issues that deserve to be examined by people who have educated themselves and formed solid, defensible opinions.
Enjoy your youth!
MTA: I just want to make it clear that I am not attacking the beliefs you are sharing...rather, I am challenging you to make your beliefs your own before attempting to debate them. As you gain experience, do your research, and learn for yourself, you may find that you do, in fact, embrace these things you have been told. I admire well-informed debate from anyone who has taken the time to form opinions for themselves, whether or not they happen to agree with my own.
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abotion is wrong for birth control. (gess get the pill if youd goona do it)
how ever... i my self hve been in the situation of an unwanted pregnancy and i thought about abotion alot because i had ruined my life. i had plans that werent gonna happen now.
well i didnot have the abortion and im glad cause my wee boys amazing but i can total understand why people want one.
and in the instance of rape.. i dont think i could ever love som thig that came from something so bad. and about puting them in adopion. you still have to go throught the pain of having a child and hand them in to care.. there aint enough ppl willing to take them on and thats why. people refuse to have abotions andjust deside to let the goverment look after them.
i think its a personal choice and i dont think any one can say any thing about it un less the have went trough a similar circumstances.
how ever... i my self hve been in the situation of an unwanted pregnancy and i thought about abotion alot because i had ruined my life. i had plans that werent gonna happen now.
well i didnot have the abortion and im glad cause my wee boys amazing but i can total understand why people want one.
and in the instance of rape.. i dont think i could ever love som thig that came from something so bad. and about puting them in adopion. you still have to go throught the pain of having a child and hand them in to care.. there aint enough ppl willing to take them on and thats why. people refuse to have abotions andjust deside to let the goverment look after them.
i think its a personal choice and i dont think any one can say any thing about it un less the have went trough a similar circumstances.
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kopilo
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Clearly because YOU say so? Sorry you need a rational and logical argument to state why abortion is in essence irresponsible.
Once again because you say so? Or are you trying to argue on symatics? Yes abortion can be said to be murder, just like the termination of any other life.
Killing chickens is murder, pulling weeds out of the garden is murder, pulling potatoes out of the soil is murder, humans can not survive without divine intervetion or murdering something.
As opposed to any other sin?
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RealityCheck, you said that someone should report me?
I have done nothing wrong.
I have done nothing wrong.
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Hmmm... why is it that all the adults that I talk to think young people are mindless idiots? These are real issues in my generation. I have every right to express my opinion about them. Perhaps childhood is not what it was when you were growing up, paperkate.
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You have every right to express your opinion. I just hope for your sake that you do your own research and develop your own ideas. Because unfortunately, right now you are coming across as if you are merely a force-fed mouthpiece, repeating things you have been told by adults.
Challenge what you have been told, question the adults telling you these things, read and think for yourself.
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Sadly, this is where there may be disagreement. We do not all agree that logic and reason are an appropriate foundation for morality, law or truth.
This in my opinion is what threatens to destroy our society. This is what causes (and has caused) most of the large-scale bloodshed on our little planet .
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Consider a scenario where it comes down to a decision to save the mother, or abort the fetus. The obvious answer would be to save the mother.
Would this make abortion wrong?
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