That´s one part of it, but I think it goes deeper. Often it´s the angst of the female and its seemingly unfathomable mysteries in general.
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Abortion is wrong!
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I know I do not know everything, marblehead. This thread is about abortion, not wether the Bible is true or not. I just said that I will not be persuaded about the bible.
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Yeah, and you also said this:
So, what's there to debate if you have your mind made up?
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Reality Check, I have insulted no one on this site! I simply meant, that since athiests believe that there is no God, that they do not have a higher moral consience yo answer to.
Freedom of speech, O mighty ones.
Careful how you argue this.
Most every atheist I've ever met has a very high moral standard. And their morals are not arbitrary, contrary to what the uninformed fundamentalist usually thinks.
Now, the atheist's sense of morality is self imposed - they do not behave in a moral fashion because of the threat of damnation and hellfire, but because they personally believe that such behavior is right and moral.
However, you seem to think that your sense of morals is imposed by a higher moral authority - that without that higher moral authority, you would have no sense of morals at all, and without the threat of eternal damnation, you would pretty much do whatever you wanted to do.
Now, who in that case has the higher sense of morality? Think about that carefully.
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Then I highly recommend that you not visit the debate forums, where no matter what you say, there are going to be a dozen or more people telling you that you are wrong or that will concretely demonstrate that you've not carefully thought about your positions and beliefs, and where the whole point of the forums is the exchange of ideas and the debate of ideas. That includes debating the validity and authenticity of the Bible itself.
If you want an environment where you will not be challenged and everyone will agree with you and make you feel good about yourself, visit the "Christians Only section" and find the forums for your particular denomination/belief set.
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We are animals. Different animals, but still animals.
We're sure not plants or rocks. At least I'm not.
We're sure not plants or rocks. At least I'm not.
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We are not animals. God created us special & intelligent beings, over the animals. I really have no more room for debate on that subject. No one is going to sway my opinion that there are NO fallacies in the Bible.
Reality Check, I have insulted no one on this site! I simply meant, that since athiests believe that there is no God, that they do not have a higher moral consience yo answer to.
Freedom of speech, O mighty ones.
JESUSFREAK1354, here's why you're not finding a receptive audience, even (dare I say) among the Christians in this thread. I'll be as brief and clear as I can. We're in a debate forum, yet you are making absolute claims without supporting them in terms that are even remotely logical. You are failing to recognize that all beliefs are based on something. You are basing your beliefs on the Bible, which you have claimed at least twice in this thread is literally true, word for word. This places you in a minority even among people of your own faith. Couple this with your unwillingness to engage in reasoned debate, and you'll just get everyone all riled up, as clearly you have.
Let me be clear: no one here has a right to tell you what to believe. But if you wish to make connections with people (here as in real life), you're going to have to learn to communicate with them more effectively (not to mention respectfully). And we're all here waiting for you to take a step in that direction so that we can meet you halfway, and understand you and your views better.
Now here's why I'm riled up: twice you have claimed that atheists have no moral conscience from which to discern good from bad. This is a demonstrably false statement, and I have invited you already to join me in discourse on this topic. Yet rather than respond to my invitation or my counterclaim, you ignore it (along with the mounting criticism leveled at you lately) and keep blasting away. What are we to do with you?
In short JESUSFREAK1354, why are you here if you do not want to debate?
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To the contrary, it seems to me that your statements are met with unusual patience - because of your young age.
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Agreed. As a general rule, I ignore things from people who are high-school freshman age and younger that I wouldn't let pass in someone my own age.
JESUSFREAK1354, there's no point in starting a thread in what's possibly the most heated section of this site if
a) you're just going to slam your hands over your ears and say that no one is ever going to convince you of anything
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b) not back up your statements with dispassionate evidence. Emotional outbursts, while occasionally interesting, don't tend to convince people of anything.
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Robbie_James_Francis
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This is clearly a statement based on ignorance of atheism and what it is to be an atheist.
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marble head said:
If a woman knows what abortion is, and knows the process in which the fetuses are killed; and plans an abortion ahead of time, isn't that " malice aforethought" ?
If a woman knows what abortion is, and knows the process in which the fetuses are killed; and plans an abortion ahead of time, isn't that " malice aforethought" ?
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No. One of many issues within the abortion debate has to do with whether the fetus is a person. This point was raised a long time ago in this thread, more than once.marble head said:
If a woman knows what abortion is, and knows the process in which the fetuses are killed; and plans an abortion ahead of time, isn't that " malice aforethought" ?
Even if you succeed in proving that a fetus is a person, you still have more work to do. You have to show that the fetus has rights which override those of the mother. This was also previously mentioned.
These and many other issues are explored in depth on wikipedia.
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The day that you can admit that the god you worship is evil for ordering the murder of women and children and for murdering the babies of egypt, you can preach about morals. Till then, grow up kid.
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Given that your idea of sex education is "don't do it" you shouldn't be throwing about words like "irresponsibility".
Considering abortion isn't mentioned in the bible and god enjoyed ordering his followers to murder children, I doubt your god has any problems with abortion.
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