abortion good or bad?

[TheReasoner]

An evil act on it's own.

Why?

And why the HUGE text? I find it a bit annoying

 

[invisible trousers]

lol, Just because mass murder is not acknowledged, does not mean it is nonexistant nor does it mean it does not effect society. Besided, can i kill you if it doesn't effect society? You want visual effects of abortion look at china and their over population with the human male compared with their shortage of females. You want moral effects, a pro abortion society devolops a culture of death attitude. Nobody is safe. Not even you. You may very well be euthanized against your own free will one day. Wouldnt that be fun.

what does china have to do with this? last time i checked our government doesn't mandate how many kids each couple can have.

it doesn't matter, since you didn't prove anything i asked you to.

Nobody is safe. Not even you. You may very well be euthanized against your own free will one day. Wouldnt that be fun.

please help i am falling down this slippery slope

 

[Panther_Shadow83]

As for an animal equal to a human nonsense, let me ask you a question. If there were a couple of cows drowning and one baby drowning and you had to make a choice. Would you choose the 2 cows and let the baby drown, or vice versa? If you save the baby first you acknowledge that human life is more important than animal life. The two cannot compare.

I've asked you once, will you please stop telling me that animals dont matter as much as humans?!?

 

[CrystalBrooke]

your not alone in your belief of animals being equal to humans (which they are not), there's a girl at my school who is also pro-abortion and she's a vegitarian...she thinks the same thing you do. of course your only 14 and are easily influenced so you could change your mind about it...sad thing is this other girl is my age and she'll probably believe this terribly sick idea for the rest of her life.

 

[Panther_Shadow83]

your not alone in your belief of animals being equal to humans (which they are not), there's a girl at my school who is also pro-abortion and she's a vegitarian...she thinks the same thing you do. of course your only 14 and are easily influenced so you could change your mind about it...sad thing is this other girl is my age and she'll probably believe this terribly sick idea for the rest of her life.

i know this was meant to be nice, but i dont think the idea is 'terribly sick.' can we all just drop the subject now? or do i have to ask for the fifth time??

 

[CrystalBrooke]

i'll drop it...but if i have any questions about it, can i pm you?

 

[Kepha]

Why?

Because a couple who stops reproduction purposly, is not giving themselves completly over to each other. They are intentionally stopping a natural occurance, which is in itself a gift from God, that usually comes when the married couple become one. They are no longer open to life.

And why the HUGE text? I find it a bit annoying

Sorry. This has happened to my post before. They look fine on my end but they appear to be huge to another.

what does china have to do with this? last time i checked our government doesn't mandate how many kids each couple can have.

China aborts many of their females which is now showing the consequences of abortion on their society. Are you going to deny this?

please help i am falling down this slippery slope

Ignore the facts if you so choose. Look around all the countries who accept abortion and then count how many of them agree with euthanasia or are seriously considering it after the fact. Your living in a dream world to ignore this. Oh but your probably one of the ones who would agree with it anyways.

What are you trying to prove anyways? That abortion is not murder? Can you go a little deeper in your reasoning besides trying to equate murder with something that just "has" to have an effect on society? Sorry but that defence of yours just won't hold water. If you cannot reason out your first response with facts, then talking to you reguarding this issue is a waste of my time. This thread is asking if abortion is wrong or not. If it is murder, then the question put forth by you has nothing to do with disproving this. It is quite irrelevant actually and i think deep down you know it too.

 

[rnmomof7]

MOD HAT

OK guys lets stick to the topic here and not get diverted into posts that flame another member.

Thanks

 

[Panther_Shadow83]

i'll drop it...but if i have any questions about it, can i pm you?

sure


have you guys ever known anyone who's had an abortion? the good part is that i don't believe a lot of people do, which means that maybe theres not a lot of babies who have died....

 

[JunkYardDog]

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sure


have you guys ever known anyone who's had an abortion? the good part is that i don't believe a lot of people do, which means that maybe theres not a lot of babies who have died....

I've known a number of women who have had abortions. In the US there are about 1 million first-time abortions (surgical) per year since 1973. That means that 32 million adult (adult enough to get pregnant, anyway) women have had abortions out od a total population of 280 million. Of the total population, about 1/3 are adults making just short of 100 million adults. Of that, half these are men. This means that nearly 3 in 5 women of child-bearing age and above have aborted a child. The other half million abortions per year are people who are having their second or higher abortion.

 

[koban4max]

abortion is bad...

 

[Kepha]

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sure


have you guys ever known anyone who's had an abortion? the good part is that i don't believe a lot of people do, which means that maybe theres not a lot of babies who have died....

I think you should learn what is going on around you reguarding this dreadful act. I personally know 3 woman who have had one, and out of them, one has had 3.

 

[TheReasoner]

Because a couple who stops reproduction purposly, is not giving themselves completly over to each other. They are intentionally stopping a natural occurance, which is in itself a gift from God, that usually comes when the married couple become one. They are no longer open to life.

But what if one is sterile and they can't have kids? Is sex then out of the question? And I don't see how not wanting kids is not gving oneself completely over to the other. When I marry I don't want kids. Either not at all, or not for many years. I do want to adopt - eventually. But not until I have had the chance to be with my wife for years. This is because:

* There are millions of children who don't have parents but need them. Kids who'll end up on the street or worse if nothing is done.
* Kids take up too much time. Time that could be spent with your wife, and with God together with your wife.

I want to marry because:
* I feel called to be by one specific woman's side, and have felt so since I was 12.
* I want to serve God and other people beside my wife. Not to mention that I want to serve HER. She will come right second to God in my life.
* I love her. I believe I have met her, know her and am courting her. And I want to spend my life with her.

Kids will divert attention from this. However, I know that I will love my wife to bits. And sex is more than reproduction, it is a way of showing you love your spouse. If it was just for reproduction, why did God make it so pleasant? He could have kept the same drive in us, but made it as boring as sneezing. He didn't though.

Besides, stopping a natural occurrance? Hm. Well, why bother with medication then? If you get sick, it's a natural occurrence too. Why medicate if it's natural to die from a disease you have?

Sorry. This has happened to my post before. They look fine on my end but they appear to be huge to another.

 

[Panther_Shadow83]

I think you should learn what is going on around you reguarding this dreadful act. I personally know 3 woman who have had one, and out of them, one has had 3.

Well, the reason I ask is because i personally dont know anone who's had an abortion. I do know whats going on around me reguarding abortion.

 

[Spreadintheword]

hey we have varying opinions, and if i am correct this is the part of the site that is "christian only" so we all should be Christians which mean we should hold the bible as our ULTIMATE AUTHORITY so we should inevitably take it to scripture not our own opinions b/c they can be flawed

 

[JunkYardDog]

hey we have varying opinions, and if i am correct this is the part of the site that is "christian only" so we all should be Christians which mean we should hold the bible as our ULTIMATE AUTHORITY so we should inevitably take it to scripture not our own opinions b/c they can be flawed

Apparently not. There are people here who say they are Christians but completely deny that the Bible is the Word of God or has any ultimate authority. Some deny it outright, others mutilate it so they can live their lives contrary to it.

 

[Panther_Shadow83]

Apparently not. There are people here who say they are Christians but completely deny that the Bible is the Word of God or has any ultimate authority. Some deny it outright, others mutilate it so they can live their lives contrary to it.

well, then they arent Christian, i guess....

blah, they took the website off the bulliton board. >.<

i was looking at the board and they added some new stuff. they had a part for people who have had an abortion and then realized what they had done. i think thats nice of them to reach out and help.

 

[Kepha]

But what if one is sterile and they can't have kids? Is sex then out of the question?

No.

And I don't see how not wanting kids is not gving oneself completely over to the other. When I marry I don't want kids. Either not at all, or not for many years. I do want to adopt - eventually. But not until I have had the chance to be with my wife for years.

Bith Control has always been taught to be intrinsically evil amongst Christians as far back as one can historically trace. Up until the 1930's even the Protestants believed this to be so. Why the change? Does God Change?
It interrupts the conjugal love between a husband and wife. With sexual relations between the married couple, comes the possible Gift of a child. This is a natural act within God's plan. For example: God gave us food to eat for pleasure combined with it's nutritional value. Now, do you think God would approve for us to be gluttons if the food can be some how directed out of the body with a tube immediately after eaten? Of course not. God built our bodies so that we can eat for pleasure but yet also eat in moderation lest we corrupt ourselves with the sweet taste of food. The main purpose of food is to keep us alive. The pleasue is a bonus. This also applies to sexual relations except the nutritional value is replaced with a Child. To remove this, places emphasis on pleasure only. The sexual union is meant to be a consummation of marriage vows, a physical expression of love of each other the way they were created. Not a sterile act akin to mutual masturbation. The Bible never teaches contraception to be good in anyway. So why do most protestants today believe it's ok.


Nowadays, babies are just options, burdens, environmental hazards, something to be taken down to the abortion clinic and terminated. This thinking has been brought about because of birth control and it's effects starting in the 60's with the abundance of it made available to the free world. Pleasure now becomes priority number one removing God's hand in the act of creating. To ask your husband or your wife to wear "protection" is like telling them that you don't want to have relations with him/her, the way God created them. You want to take out the part of him or her that can create life and you want to do it in the most unnatural way. Sexual relations is supposed to be done in the most unselfish manner. You should give youselves to each other 100 percent, the way God meant you to be. Not 90 or 80 percent.

Besides, stopping a natural occurrance? Hm. Well, why bother with medication then? If you get sick, it's a natural occurrence too. Why medicate if it's natural to die from a disease you have?

Disease is natural but does not belong to the natural order according to God's plan. This came about because of the fall. Concieving a child during the Union of a man and wife was God's plan from the beginning. Disease was not.

Also, natural family planning is a very natural way to space out children if it may become financially impossible to have anymore. But to use birth control which is in itself evil, just to prevent a burden should not be permitted. There are also birth controls out there that induce abortion. Yet another reason to lay off the pill.

 

[CrystalBrooke]

hey we have varying opinions, and if i am correct this is the part of the site that is "christian only" so we all should be Christians which mean we should hold the bible as our ULTIMATE AUTHORITY so we should inevitably take it to scripture not our own opinions b/c they can be flawed

ouch...that was a cheap shot, but ive seen worse . oh and just so i dont hi-jack the thread with an irrelevant comment...i believe abortion to be bad, and anyone who does it should repent for their terrible sin.

 

[graysparrow]

I will never have an abortion... of course, but as much as I know drugs are bad without using them I know abortion is wrong.

However people who have had abortion are people who must be helped, not hated.