abortion good or bad?

[Faith In God]

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so lets kill the person who sinned? juuust kidding... anywho, I HAVE HEARD IT BEFORE, YOU DONT NEED TO ACT LIKE I'M STUPID. its not just the point of taking care of it, im talking about having the kid in general. however, as your being very rude about me talking to you, i just wont. happy?

You don't seem to have realized what I am saying. You say it should be okay for a girl to kill her baby because she was raped. I say it is not. You say that a girl should have the choice between killing her baby and not killing her baby (and that it is morally right). If a girl gets pregnant, she will have the baby. The only way to avert it is to kill the child before it comes out.

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sorry, i dont believe anything in the bible is true (correct for some things, but not true... if that makes sense )

You are calling Saint Paul a liar.

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you interpreted it correctly, yes, i AM comparing an animals life to a humans.

So you would cry as hard over a roadkill raccoon as a baby that died because of a drunk driver? (Please don't answer that...

than a so how about this? lets all STOP BASHING ME ABOUT MY VEGETARIANISM and get back to the topic at hand? i'm all for it

Okay, please listen:

1st of all, I am not bashing any vegetarianism (Paul says not to look down on anyone's eating habits for the eating habits themselves as they apply to spirituality). I am saying that it is neither biblical nor realistic to value an animal's life as much (and even more than, apparently) as a human's.

2nd of all, you brought it up and will not admit that this is not about vegetarianism.

 

[Faith In God]

She's not the person telling people to shut up, P_S83.




2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:




No one asked you, not even God. GASP! You seem to think, you talk, and the Bible says that you have a soul (oh, I know you don't believe the Bible, but it's true wether you think so or not), so that would kinda' make you different from animals. If you want, you can stop thinking, stop talking (please!) and hope that the Bible is wrong, and become an animal. It's totally up to you.




No one besides yourself has said anything to do with your religion; you brought up the stuff: blame yourself.

No egging on, please.

 

[porcupine]

you interpreted it correctly, yes, i AM comparing an animals life to a humans. just because we have posable thumbs (stupid spelling) and wear clothes doesnt make me think that we're better and should kill them all. not to mention the things ive seen in my life from people who think that animals are worthless, and besides, if your kid was sick you'd take them to the doctors office but most people dont care enough about their hamster to give them medical treatment. thats just wrong if you ask me.

so how about this? lets all STOP BASHING ME ABOUT MY VEGETARIANISM and get back to the topic at hand? i'm all for it

I don't think anyone was bashing your vegetarianism per se, but your equating human life with animals. Paul tells us that there are those who eat only vegetables and that the ones who eat meat shoud not despise those who eat only vegetables -- neither should the vegetarian judge those who eat meat. (Romans 14: 1-3) However, God does make a clear difference between the value of human life over animal life. Man is the only one God said that was created in His image. The destination of the spirits (as quoted above) after death is different.

Taking your position, where do you logically stop? Plants? Bugs? Bacteria?

 

[Panther_Shadow83]

this topic is a about abortion, not me being vegetarian, can we please get back to the original point?

 

[MC1171611]

this topic is a about abortion, not me being vegetarian, can we please get back to the original point?

The original point: God hates murder in any form for whatever reason. There, that ought'ta do it!

 

[Panther_Shadow83]

i have a question

why is it illegal to murder someone but legal to have abortion?

 

[MC1171611]

i have a question

why is it illegal to murder someone but legal to have abortion?

People justify it by claiming that a baby is not alive; it is just a fetus. This view contradicts Scripture, as It says that God knew us in the womb, and knitted us together in our mothers womb.

 

[JunkYardDog]

this topic is a about abortion, not me being vegetarian, can we please get back to the original point?

Okay, abortion is murder (unlike killing cows).

 

[MC1171611]

Okay, abortion is murder (unlike killing cows).

She asked us to drop the vegetarian line: that was not right. Your post was totally unnecessary!

 

[porcupine]

She asked us to drop the vegetarian line: that was not right. Your post was totally unnecessary!

It was obviously not aimed at the vegetarian issue, but at the one where she said killing an animal was the equivalent of killing a human being. (BTW, SHE was the one who introduced the issue of vegetarianism. JYD DEFENDED her on that. However, she made a separate point of saying: "you interpreted it correctly, yes, i AM comparing an animals life to a humans." That is another issue entirely.)

 

[MC1171611]

It was obviously not aimed at the vegetarian issue, but at the one where she said killing an animal was the equivalent of killing a human being. (BTW, SHE was the one who introduced the issue of vegetarianism. JYD DEFENDED her on that. However, she made a separate point of saying: "you interpreted it correctly, yes, i AM comparing an animals life to a humans." That is another issue entirely.)

I know that she brought it up; I was the one to show her that. Why can't you just drop the fascetiousness, as we are already past that, and don't need it brought up again.

 

[Ave Maria]

Abortion is evil!

 

[MC1171611]

Abortion is evil!

You're right, and most of us agree, but the issue is why abortion is wrong. Could you provide some reasons for your stand on the issue?

 

[Ave Maria]

You're right, and most of us agree, but the issue is why abortion is wrong. Could you provide some reasons for your stand on the issue?

Sure. For one thing, a child exists from the moment of conception and the Bible says not to murder so obviously abortion is murdering an unborn child. That and I agree with the Catholic Church on all things and the Catholic Church is clearly pro-life.

 

[TheReasoner]

It was obviously not aimed at the vegetarian issue, but at the one where she said killing an animal was the equivalent of killing a human being. (BTW, SHE was the one who introduced the issue of vegetarianism. JYD DEFENDED her on that. However, she made a separate point of saying: "you interpreted it correctly, yes, i AM comparing an animals life to a humans." That is another issue entirely.)

Sorry to be so direct, but that's just stupid! If we did not kill animals here, the ecosystem would be thrown so off balance several species would become extinct.
Besides, look to genesis for proof that it's OK. God killed them to make clothes for adam and eve. And God accepted Abel's offerings, which were meat. Which means he had to kill the animal in question.
As for here, and many places, if we don't hunt, we're eliminating ourselves from the food chain, from our natural place in the ecosystem as predators. That is as bad as removing a species by extinction or extraction... It destroys and damages the rest of the ecosystem.

 

[TheReasoner]

As for abortion, yes I believe abortion is murder. Use birth control. If you get pregnant, have the baby. If you're not ready for that option you should not have sex. And ofcourse, if you're not married you should not have sex either.

 

[jazzbird]

MOD HAT ON

Ladies and gentlemen, let's keep this discussion civil. Please leave all personal attacks and off topic comments at the door or this thread will be closed.

MOD HAT OFF

 

[Galations220]

what are you guys and or girls stand on the issue of abortion
i think it is a bad thing every one deserves a chance to live

I would agree, abortion is not acceptable in God's eyes, but neither is lying, and a lot of us choose to lie on a daily basis. Sin is sin in God's eyes. We need to remember that Satan has and continues to still influence this world and it's leaders. Remember not to look down on someone who has had an abortion or believes in the power of choice. If they don't follow Jesus you can't expect them to follow his ways. Jesus' blood was shed for all of us, and hopefully these people can find thier way to Him.

 

[Panther_Shadow83]

Sorry to be so direct, but that's just stupid! If we did not kill animals here, the ecosystem would be thrown so off balance several species would become extinct.
Besides, look to genesis for proof that it's OK. God killed them to make clothes for adam and eve. And God accepted Abel's offerings, which were meat. Which means he had to kill the animal in question.
As for here, and many places, if we don't hunt, we're eliminating ourselves from the food chain, from our natural place in the ecosystem as predators. That is as bad as removing a species by extinction or extraction... It destroys and damages the rest of the ecosystem.

please stop


there was a website on my church's bulliton (sp?) abt abortion, but i cant find it now >_< i can try to get it next time i go to chruch... so like next saturday night

 

[Kepha]

So this means you're unable to show how abortion negatively effects society in the same way murder does?

lol, Just because mass murder is not acknowledged, does not mean it is nonexistant nor does it mean it does not effect society. Besided, can i kill you if it doesn't effect society? You want visual effects of abortion look at china and their over population with the human male compared with their shortage of females. You want moral effects, a pro abortion society devolops a culture of death attitude. Nobody is safe. Not even you. You may very well be euthanized against your own free will one day. Wouldnt that be fun.

In my opinion, this is one of those situations where there is no good answer, just a choice of two bad ones. In that situation it has to be up to the mother to decide. Similarly when the mother is a young victim of abuse or similar.

There is no situtation for direct murder. Let us pretend the mother had the kid because of a rape, then decided to smother him in his sleep because everytime she saw his face it reminded her of this awful pain. Even adoption wouldn't matter cause as long as she knows he's still out there, it will remind her of this trauma that had previously happened to her and his death would bring her peace? You still think the baby should die? I think you only say what you do because you don't recognize a fetus as a human being. That always seems the case since any situation given to a fetus can logically be applied to a baby after birth or even an adult human being and the usual answer which had the fetus die in the first scenario would automatically change when putting someone you recognize a human in that very predicament.

That baby has his own soul and his own right to life. He is a seperate individual entity and nobody has the right themselves to take his life away from him. Ever!
As for an animal equal to a human nonsense, let me ask you a question. If there were a couple of cows drowning and one baby drowning and you had to make a choice. Would you choose the 2 cows and let the baby drown, or vice versa? If you save the baby first you acknowledge that human life is more important than animal life. The two cannot compare.

Use birth control.

An evil act on it's own.