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It isn't a matter of anyone burying their head in the sand. The post to which AirPo responded does not say anything like what you said. You're wrong.
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The point of using the ultimate in birth control is not (ever) to have a child, to avoid birthing another child that would have to be cared for until it can care for itself and surely an artificial womb doing that without real parenting, even if it could, would never be desirable. Plus the world certainly does not need another person any time soon to further denude it.
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You are wrong yet again...
Whatever. You can think what you want, but you're wrong...
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Yah right, you ever get an egg that had a bit of blood in it? Probably that means it was fertilized.
Actually you would never be so foolish as to take the egg (with a little blood in it) and roast it like a chicken. You would never treat it like a chicken, nor should you ever treat it like a chicken. Because it is certainly NOT a chicken.
Like I say, most people can tell the difference between a chicken and an egg, and an egg though it may be some way along in the gestation process from when it was fertilized, would never pass as a chicken in commerce or otherwise.
If it's in an intact shell it's still an egg, and like you at one point correctly characterized it, a "fertilized egg...."
(Just like if a fetus is still in the womb it is not a child, in case you didn't notice.)
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Yeah you're probably right about that. Why would they get themselves a good education/job that would enable them to do so many things. Like have a nice house or nice car or maybe even go overseas to see what the rest of the world is really like. But that would be too inconvenient and time consuming.
So they insist on being less than they can be and vote for handouts instead...
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Douglas Hendrickson said: ↑
There is one basic problem with this, and it is the failure to see the difference between "human" and "human being."
"... only became human when we had our umbilical cord severed" should read: "became a human being," and then it would be true. To understand better the difference between before birth and after see my post above, #1076. There is a difference of dependencies, but more important a difference of being, there exists an actual animal (human) being only after birth. A new member of the human species. Just like there are never any pigs in a pigs belly - we do not count pig fetuses as pigs, because they are not. So too is a chicken egg not a chicken even if it is fertilized.
Most people are able to tell the difference between a chicken and an egg!
What is it about, "there are never any pigs in a pigs belly" you don't understand? That you say "A pig fetus is still a pig. So?"
On the chicken/egg thing, see my post #1177.
Please read a little more closely - I do not here speak of "a human," I was contrasting "human" and "human being."
"Human" is an adjective and often indicates "is composed of human cells." Has human DNA, like the cancer and the severed leg.
I am not at all talking about "the humanity of a human." But it IS important to understand "what is human and what is not," and the reference to DNA just above goes in that direction. To repeat myself, human DNA like in the fetus and the cancer is one marker of the "human." (Note I did not here say a human.)
There is one basic problem with this, and it is the failure to see the difference between "human" and "human being."
"... only became human when we had our umbilical cord severed" should read: "became a human being," and then it would be true. To understand better the difference between before birth and after see my post above, #1076. There is a difference of dependencies, but more important a difference of being, there exists an actual animal (human) being only after birth. A new member of the human species. Just like there are never any pigs in a pigs belly - we do not count pig fetuses as pigs, because they are not. So too is a chicken egg not a chicken even if it is fertilized.
Most people are able to tell the difference between a chicken and an egg!
What is it about, "there are never any pigs in a pigs belly" you don't understand? That you say "A pig fetus is still a pig. So?"
On the chicken/egg thing, see my post #1177.
Please read a little more closely - I do not here speak of "a human," I was contrasting "human" and "human being."
"Human" is an adjective and often indicates "is composed of human cells." Has human DNA, like the cancer and the severed leg.
I am not at all talking about "the humanity of a human." But it IS important to understand "what is human and what is not," and the reference to DNA just above goes in that direction. To repeat myself, human DNA like in the fetus and the cancer is one marker of the "human." (Note I did not here say a human.)
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Because it has human DNA, just like the fetus!
I wouldn't mind cutting it off, but it seems there are others around that if they wanted to be consistent, would never remove a cancer.
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The abortion issue is clear. The woman is paying a doctor to kill and in many cases, dismember the body of another human being. In spite of the claim that a woman has the right to do with her body what she wants, an abortion procedure is being done on the body of another human and NOT the woman's body - yet she is the one who is making the bodily rights claim. 650,000 females in the United States are being denied the right to bodily autonomy every year. Worse is that someone else is making a decision that directly affects the body of another - to the point of killing the other human beings! This includes killing procedures that sever limbs and even decapitation! And the limbs aren't cleanly cut off either. They are ripped off the body of the human being using instruments designed for just that! This is how the pro abortion side ultimately defines bodily rights. It's the powerful preying on the weakest humans and using that power to kill them at will.
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Most issues are clear when someone else has to decide them. You want to make the decision for others so of course the issue is clear to you.
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