Abortion Bans are Really Working Great

[Hammster]

It’s been fun, but I’m bowing out now. There’s only so much I can handle from folks dehumanizing other folks.

 

[zephcom]

Darn. You figure us out.

<shrug> It wasn't difficult.

It is just too bad that you actually thought you were being sarcastic.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Or teach then to not have sex unless they know they run the risk of pregnancy, and if they get pregnant, they cannot kill the child.

Christian parents should be teaching that to their kids. Since most people I know, that had abortions are Christians. Or raised by Christians. Schools teach the risks. At least they did when I went. I think they should teach more. And drive them where the can get free BC.

 

[The Faceless]

Seems to be working great in Georgia.

Police release video of moment after baby found in woods - CNN Video

You can't just ban abortions without addressing the whole problem. People are still poor.

 

[EmmaCat]

I guess I am terribly wrong. I thought condoms, tubes tied, vasectomies and birth control pills would reduce the need for abortions. Sorry, my bad.

Abortion should be for rape, incest, and the mother's life in danger. It should not be an alternative for consesual unprotected sex.

All good things
Emmy

 

[DanishLutheran]

Just making something illegal doesn't stop it. I can't believe that so very many people didn't learn that from alcohol prohibition.

So go ahead and legalize murder, lynchings (which is really the same thing), theft, rape, etc, because hey, making something illegal doesn't stop it.

 

[DanishLutheran]

I'm going to say this next thing without looking it up

The root cause of much of the West's problems. People ranting about things they haven't bothered to check, but still spew because it suits their agenda.

 

[Servant of Yeshua]

In all honesty, the thing which makes humans different from the animals doesn't take up residency until just before birth. When one looks around at both nature and the way we build everything, the use of a vessel doesn't start until the vessel is completed.

Ships are not built around the crew which will sail it. The crew is hired after the ship is complete. Birds lay eggs AFTER the nest is built. They don't build the nest around the eggs. It is the nature of this world that occupancy occurs AFTER the construction and not at the beginning of construction.

There is absolutely no reason to think that which makes us different from the animals follows a different path than all the rest of the natural way of this existence.

I have read your response a few times and I am still not sure what you are implying as it related to the Lord? In nature animals often kill each other and sometimes even eat their young. But if we were just like animals, then there would be absolutely no point to life here on earth.
Does God care and have a purpose for every child that He knit into the mother's womb as the scripture says repeatedly ? Or does He create and then just go away and Has absolutely no concern or care on whether they live or die ? I believe from many different scripture passages that God does care about each of us. I believe a person who has the worst beginnings can still have choices to live a very fulfilling and meaningful life if given a chance at life.

I believe that we are here on Earth for a very important reason that will have eternal consequences. We are here to make a choice for or against Jesus Christ. We are not God and should not determine who lives as if life a new life were our personal property. We cannot determine who dies based on our circumstances at a particular point in time. Some reasons that a person decides to abort ( poverty, no husband, etc) are situations that could also easily happen after the child is born.

Babies get adopted. Look at the number of people adopting babies overseas because they do not want to wait 5 yrs to get one here in the US. The children in foster care are mainly there because their parents didn't give permission to adopt, broke the law and became incarcerated or became addicted to drugs or alcohol. So a child is then not available for adoption until a minimum of 2 years goes by of the parent not doing any of the things they need to do. Many of the parents do the bare minimum here and there, just to drag out the system because they can.

So as much as all of nature has the same creator, humans were created for the purpose to glorify God in choosing Jesus Christ and an eternity with Him, over choosing the world's selfish ways of acting like this life on earth is all there is, so get as much as you want and climb over as many people as you need to.

If there is no eternity with Jesus Christ as He promised, then this life on earth is utterly pointless and choosing evil has no consequences at all.

 

[KCfromNC]

If twisting what I say is your path to victory, good on ya.

Yeah, figured I'd end up reading something like this.

 

[KCfromNC]

Who is being ignored?

They hypothetical her in your second sentence.

 

[Servant of Yeshua]

So, what’s the issue in that case?

The lie is that people against abortion only care about the baby. It is about the emotional, mental and spiritual affect of an abortion on a woman. She will be the one who can never take back that she killed the most innocent and vulnerable of life. You may know some who say that they have no regrets. Their conscience may be numb. But one thing that is certain is that nobody can possibly predict how an abortion will affect the mother.

Where there is life, there is hope and options. When abortion takes a life, it leaves a mother who will remember her choice which was made out of fear every Mother's Day, every time she sees a child who would be that same age....

Many women will self medicate, become angry at the world and certainly have a harder time in their relationship with the Lord. Thankfully some (though it seems few) do come to the point where they repent and ask God for forgiveness. The Lord forgives and restores. But sadly, pride and anger will prevent this blessing for many.

This is why to prevent the abortion is the best thing for the woman all around.

 

[KCfromNC]

no no I do not care how many children you have if you are able to care for them without government assistance. The one child policy would only apply to people once they were on assistance and would end at such a time that they were able to get off assistance.

Out of curiosity, could you tell us how much of the money taxed from your work income you think goes towards paying for people who have extra children just to get more welfare money?

 

[KCfromNC]

Which is why I’ve never had anyone agree to my concession about rape and incest.

For me, this continued willingness to allow some people to murder babies really undermines all the moral posturing in the rest of your posts. I mean, both you and the people you seem to disagree with both seem open to abortion in some cases, you're just disagreeing on the details.

 

[KCfromNC]

So you don’t think there’s such a thing as an unborn child?

I will as soon as conservatives are willing to given them food stamps.

 

[KCfromNC]

Or teach then to not have sex unless they know they run the risk of pregnancy, and if they get pregnant, they cannot kill the child.

We could, but why would anyone want to teach using methods which are proven to be ineffective? Especially when the goal is to stop the "murder" of innocent "children".

 

[KCfromNC]

If it’s not a life

Everyone else notice the jump from "child" to "life" here?

ETA - It is a pretty bad (IMHO) attempt to try and put words in others mouths. No one was talking about life, just saying that the whole "unborn children" shtick is totally unconvincing and makes it hard to take the rest of the similar rhetoric seriously. Switching horses like this mid stream looks like an attempt to abandon that line of rhetoric without actually admitting how weak it is.

 

[KCfromNC]

I guess I am terribly wrong. I thought condoms, tubes tied, vasectomies and birth control pills would reduce the need for abortions. Sorry, my bad.

Abortion should be for rape, incest, and the mother's life in danger. It should not be an alternative for consesual unprotected sex.

Seems like a great plan, just as long as you're willing to help pay for government assistance for children born when birth control fails.

 

[JackRT]

Seems to be working great in Georgia.

Police release video of moment after baby found in woods - CNN Video

You can't just ban abortions without addressing the whole problem. People are still poor.

Agree!
If we wish to minimize the abortion rate, making it illegal is the wrong way to go about it. There are nations where abortion is totally illegal and carries severe penalties where the abortion rate is much higher than in nations where it is legal. The reason for this is that the two most potent abortifacients in the world are ignorance and poverty and in those nations you have both. But even in developed nations you can still have ignorance and poverty. In some quarters there is great reluctance to providing sex education, particularly birth control information. The same applies to the provision of pre-natal and post-natal care and delivery at an affordable cost to low income mothers in particular. In some cases that would mean at no cost.

The USA and Canada are both affluent nations. In the USA abortion services are not readily available and attempts are being made to further reduce that availability or eliminate it entirely. In Canada we have universal single payer medical care and there are no abortion laws. Abortion is fully funded under Canadian medicare. Does Canada have a higher rate of abortion? No! The abortion rate in the USA is 50% greater than in Canada.

I believe that abortion should be legal, it should be safe, it should be available and it should be the woman’s informed choice but most important of all --- it should be rare.

 

[Speedwell]

Agree!
If we wish to minimize the abortion rate, making it illegal is the wrong way to go about it. There are nations where abortion is totally illegal and carries severe penalties where the abortion rate is much higher than in nations where it is legal. The reason for this is that the two most potent abortifacients in the world are ignorance and poverty and in those nations you have both. But even in developed nations you can still have ignorance and poverty. In some quarters there is great reluctance to providing sex education, particularly birth control information. The same applies to the provision of pre-natal and post-natal care and delivery at an affordable cost to low income mothers in particular. In some cases that would mean at no cost.

The USA and Canada are both affluent nations. In the USA abortion services are not readily available and attempts are being made to further reduce that availability or eliminate it entirely. In Canada we have universal single payer medical care and there are no abortion laws. Abortion is fully funded under Canadian medicare. Does Canada have a higher rate of abortion? No! The abortion rate in the USA is 50% greater than in Canada.

I believe that abortion should be legal, it should be safe, it should be available and it should be the woman’s informed choice but most important of all --- it should be rare.

But it's not just about reducing or eliminating abortion which is why you (looking at us from the outside) see an apparent disconnect between means and ends. What it's really about is an attempt to impose a dysfunctional minority religious-based sexual morality on the entire country. Abortion is merely the current main fighting front in the culture war.

 

[Fantine]

I guess I am terribly wrong. I thought condoms, tubes tied, vasectomies and birth control pills would reduce the need for abortions. Sorry, my
Bad.
Emmy

Your first thought was correct. When contraceptives are covered by insurance, abortion does decrease. This is especially true when the most effective BC is covered and allowed (currently, in many states, women need to have a certain number of children, be a certain age; have a husband's permission, etc. To have tubals.)