Abortion Bans are Really Working Great

[zephcom]

I agree with your comment above, however, would you then concede that the comment below is false?

No.

Okay, okay. Maybe somewhere in America there is one guy who accepted responsibility for something. But it probably wasn't something really bad.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

No.

Okay, okay. Maybe somewhere in America there is one guy who accepted responsibility for something. But it probably wasn't something really bad.

Are you a man?

 

[zephcom]

Are you a man?

Yep.

And with no qualifications. One hundred percent. I'm just willing to give credit where it is due.

For a short while I was a fireman in a rural fire district. There were people I would willingly follow into a fire. Some were men, some were women. There were people I wouldn't willingly follow into a fire. Some were men some were women.

The reality is that both sexes are capable of doing great things. The trick is knowing which ones to follow.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Yep.

And with no qualifications. One hundred percent. I'm just willing to give credit where it is due.

For a short while I was a fireman in a rural fire district. There were people I would willingly follow into a fire. Some were men, some were women. There were people I wouldn't willingly follow into a fire. Some were men some were women.

The reality is that both sexes are capable of doing great things. The trick is knowing which ones to follow.

Have you ever accepted responsibility for anything? Like the responsibilities of a husband for example?

 

[zephcom]

Have you ever accepted responsibility for anything? Like the responsibilities of a husband for example?

Oh yeah. When M'Lady turned up pregnant after we had already decided to be childless, she decided to not get an abortion. I supported her completely and we currently have a daughter who I consider to be the single best human being I've ever had the pleasure to know.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Oh yeah. When M'Lady turned up pregnant after we had already decided to be childless, she decided to not get an abortion. I supported her completely and we currently have a daughter who I consider to be the single best human being I've ever had the pleasure to know.

So when you said:

Okay, okay. Maybe somewhere in America there is one guy who accepted responsibility for something. But it probably wasn't something really bad.

You obviously must have been referring to yourself...right?

 

[zephcom]

So when you said:

You obviously must have been referring to yourself...right?

Nope. I've lived a truly blessed life.

But then I'm a white male. Living a blessed life is what we expect. There are others in America who have accepted far greater burdens than I have.

 

[Fantine]

Am I the only one who finds a similarity between playing sports on video games instead of going out in the fresh air and getting some exercise...

And weeping copiously over the "murders" of babies visible only in sonogram pictures while being seemingly blind to immigrant children imprisoned and dying at the border, the thousands of children who have died in neighborhood and school shootings because of our lax gun laws, and other "atrocities" that our allegedly civilized society has become desensitized to?

I am not condemning video games or abortion (although I find all the 'murder' talk to be inflammatory and polarizing). I am merely saying that attention must be paid to the living.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Nope. I've lived a truly blessed life.

But then I'm a white male. Living a blessed life is what we expect. There are others in America who have accepted far greater burdens than I have.

Let me get this straight, you are saying that you have never accepted responsibility because you are a privileged white male? If you want to wallow in your self created "white shame" that is on you. But speak for yourself and dont make blanket statements about all men, to include Hispanic men like myself, being incapable of responsibility.

 

[zephcom]

Let me get this straight, you are saying that you have never accepted responsibility because you are a privileged white male? If you want to wallow in your self created "white shame" that is on you. But speak for yourself and dont make blanket statements about all men, to include Hispanic men like myself, being incapable of responsibility.

Blanket statements are expected to contain exceptions. That you assume I am talking about you in particular with a blanket statement or all men of your particular heritage tells me more about you than it does about me.

The reality is that men in general, regardless of their heritage tend to not take responsibility for their actions. Does that mean they -never- do?? Of course not. Donald Trump, for instance, is on the extreme end of those who don't take responsibility. Maybe -you- are on the extreme other end. But like every Bell curve seventy percent of the rest of us are somewhere close to the center of the two extremes.

It is helpful for us to remember that instead of thinking we are all at the perfection end.

 

[DanishLutheran]

Am I the only one who finds a similarity between playing sports on video games instead of going out in the fresh air and getting some exercise...

The ones who fit that description are more likely to support infanticide, the invasion that is the "illegal immigration" which all of the West is exposed to these past many decades, etc. Because they're not used to taking responsibility; they're used to being pampered and that anything boring like "responsibility" is something that Mommy and Daddy handles.

 

[KCfromNC]

So because it is "men's fault" that a woman gets pregnant, wouldn't it seem more logical to make laws requiring men to support their child and its mother rather than killing the baby?

Blood from a stone and all that in many cases.

Extending the current attempts to throw doctors in jail, why not prison time or the death penalty for the men who are responsible for a woman having an abortion? Makes as much sense.

 

[DanishLutheran]

Blood from a stone and all that in many cases.

Extending the current attempts to throw doctors in jail, why not prison time or the death penalty for the men who are responsible for a woman having an abortion? Makes as much sense.

How does it make any kind of sense to make someone responsible for something they're not responsible for?
If the pregnancy was caused by rape (like >1% are), then yes, serious prison time. For the rape.

 

[KCfromNC]

How does it make any kind of sense to make someone responsible for something they're not responsible for?

Yeah, kinda my point when I said "makes as much sense".

 

[jardiniere]

Wait, are you actually suggesting that abstinence prevents unwanted pregnancy? How absurd is that?

Completely absurd. That's also why the refrain, "take away their right to welfare if they have more kids" is absurd as well. Humans just don't think about the effects of their desires on other people, and creating laws to address this lack of thought are simply bound to failure. It's a failure to understand that realization of effects happen only after the fact of their happening. If we want to bring change, we need to work with what we know about human nature. If you can't change the desire to have sex, but don't want to deal with the possible outcomes, then free and encouraged birth control should become the approved, lawful norm, not the distasteful "second best" solution.

 

[cow451]

The human brain isn't fully developed until around age 25....so teenagers no not have a fully developed neurological system.

Understanding the Teen Brain - Health Encyclopedia - University of Rochester Medical Center

I left out a “not” in my post. I corrected it. Thanks for catching it.

 

[cow451]

So because it is "men's fault" that a woman gets pregnant, wouldn't it seem more logical to make laws requiring men to support their child and its mother rather than killing the baby?

We have laws requiring men support their children but men are allowed to get away with it in many cases. Perhaps public brutal punishment would be a deterrent.

 

[cow451]

It is logical, but one must remember it is men making the laws.

<shrug> Us men never voluntarily accept responsibility for anything. I think it is a law of the jungle.

Survival of the so-called fittest.

 

[carlv_52]

So because it is "men's fault" that a woman gets pregnant, wouldn't it seem more logical to make laws requiring men to support their child and its mother rather than killing the baby?

This would be an ideal situation, but as noted by others, men seldom have difficulty evading responsibility. The fact that we have more politicians calling for life-imprisonment for women who get abortions than we have politicians calling for lifetime wage garnishment and forced labor to support their offspring says all we really need to know.

 

[Belk]

So because it is "men's fault" that a woman gets pregnant, wouldn't it seem more logical to make laws requiring men to support their child and its mother rather than killing the baby?

No, that would not be more logical. It still does not deal with the bodily integrity nor the health issues.