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Out of curiosity, could you tell us how much of the money taxed from your work income you think goes towards paying for people who have extra children just to get more welfare money?
I understand that not much goes towards it, but if you know you cannot afford the ones you have then do not have more and expect to get more money.
 
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Your first thought was correct. When contraceptives are covered by insurance, abortion does decrease. This is especially true when the most effective BC is covered and allowed (currently, in many states, women need to have a certain number of children, be a certain age; have a husband's permission, etc. To have tubals.)
I’d like to know which states require a husbands ok for a tubal. Women shouldn’t have to get permission for birth control.
 
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Or teach then to not have sex unless they know they run the risk of pregnancy, and if they get pregnant, they cannot kill the child.
You know that teenagers do not have fully developed neurological systems and don’t have the highest level of “executive function”. You do know that, right?
 
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I understand that not much goes towards it, but if you know you cannot afford the ones you have then do not have more and expect to get more money.
How will the result of that, destitution and the resulting unrest, improve the individuals situation or our society as a whole?
 
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So go ahead and legalize murder, lynchings (which is really the same thing), theft, rape, etc, because hey, making something illegal doesn't stop it.

I think what people are getting at, is that there are a few very specific conditions that lead to abortion that we should be addressing instead of focussing on simply making it illegal.

If what we are really concerned about is preventing abortion or saving the life of a child, then simply declaring it illegal is not going to do it. We need to start taking measures to address the underlying issues.

However, if you just want to win the political battle, and don't really care what happens to those children, then congrats.

I happen to Know, with a capital k, that "pro-life" people are the latter.
 
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I have read your response a few times and I am still not sure what you are implying as it related to the Lord? In nature animals often kill each other and sometimes even eat their young. But if we were just like animals, then there would be absolutely no point to life here on earth.
Does God care and have a purpose for every child that He knit into the mother's womb as the scripture says repeatedly ? Or does He create and then just go away and Has absolutely no concern or care on whether they live or die ? I believe from many different scripture passages that God does care about each of us. I believe a person who has the worst beginnings can still have choices to live a very fulfilling and meaningful life if given a chance at life.

I believe that we are here on Earth for a very important reason that will have eternal consequences. We are here to make a choice for or against Jesus Christ. We are not God and should not determine who lives as if life a new life were our personal property. We cannot determine who dies based on our circumstances at a particular point in time. Some reasons that a person decides to abort ( poverty, no husband, etc) are situations that could also easily happen after the child is born.

Babies get adopted. Look at the number of people adopting babies overseas because they do not want to wait 5 yrs to get one here in the US. The children in foster care are mainly there because their parents didn't give permission to adopt, broke the law and became incarcerated or became addicted to drugs or alcohol. So a child is then not available for adoption until a minimum of 2 years goes by of the parent not doing any of the things they need to do. Many of the parents do the bare minimum here and there, just to drag out the system because they can.

So as much as all of nature has the same creator, humans were created for the purpose to glorify God in choosing Jesus Christ and an eternity with Him, over choosing the world's selfish ways of acting like this life on earth is all there is, so get as much as you want and climb over as many people as you need to.

If there is no eternity with Jesus Christ as He promised, then this life on earth is utterly pointless and choosing evil has no consequences at all.

You look at the issue only through 'goggles' given to you by your chosen religion. I have no problem with you looking at it that way as long as you don't assume the right to impose that view onto everyone regardless of whether they share your religion or not. If you become pregnant I completely support your choice to not have an abortion.

However, if one makes laws which are to govern people of any religion or no religion at all, one can look to how the natural life on the planet functions for guidance. We can look at how humans have functioned throughout recorded and archaeological history.

Everywhere we look things don't become something until they are finished being made. Bees make a hive but until it is completed, it isn't their home. Seeds are not the plant until they have grown into the plant. Beavers don't have a home until it is built.

When we look at the natural world, regardless of how we believe the natural world came into existence...be it by God or a Big Bang, it appears that nothing becomes something else until the construction is finished.

Using this understanding of the natural world, it becomes obvious that a pregnancy is a construction process. And would mean until the construction is finished, it is NOT yet what the construction process is making.

That means ending that construction process is not the same as destroying the finished product.

In America, per the Constitution, laws are not permitted which favors one religion over another. That means any justification for a law based on one's personal religion is wrong. When we exclude religion from the abortion process, we find there is absolutely no reason to consider the current abortion laws as being wrong.
 
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Seems like a great plan, just as long as you're willing to help pay for government assistance for children born when birth control fails.
I keep seeing in my mind's eye, I keep seeing lines of women whom the government forced to give birth bring infants to the legislature's reception desk to give the government's baby back to them.
 
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If a woman doesn’t get pregnant, then no need for an abortion. And abstinence works every time.

It's super easy to stop women from having abortions. Stop having sex with them. It's really just the man's fault anyway, since he's the first line of defense against abortions, and the man fails -every single time-
 
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It's super easy to stop women from having abortions. Stop having sex with them. It's really just the man's fault anyway, since he's the first line of defense against abortions, and the man fails -every single time-
True that. ^
 
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Actually, no. You are not trying to prevent 'murder of children'. You are trying to make criminals out of women.

If you TRULY were trying to stop abortions, you would be working to fix the social and economic issues in this country which make women choose abortion.

Don't flatter yourself with false praise.
Fact Check: Non of the anti-abortion laws criminalizes women for receiving an abortion. It only outlaws doctors from performing them.
 
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It's super easy to stop women from having abortions. Stop having sex with them. It's really just the man's fault anyway, since he's the first line of defense against abortions, and the man fails -every single time-
Wait, are you actually suggesting that abstinence prevents unwanted pregnancy? How absurd is that? ;)
 
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True that. ^
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It's super easy to stop women from having abortions. Stop having sex with them. It's really just the man's fault anyway, since he's the first line of defense against abortions, and the man fails -every single time-
So because it is "men's fault" that a woman gets pregnant, wouldn't it seem more logical to make laws requiring men to support their child and its mother rather than killing the baby?
 
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So because it is "men's fault" that a woman gets pregnant, wouldn't it seem more logical to make laws requiring men to support their child and its mother rather than killing the baby?
It is logical, but one must remember it is men making the laws.

<shrug> Us men never voluntarily accept responsibility for anything. I think it is a law of the jungle.
 
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It is logical, but one must remember it is men making the laws.

<shrug> Us men never voluntarily accept responsibility for anything. I think it is a law of the jungle.
Forgive me, but the way you generally characterize men in such a negative light is evidence of a rather unfair bias brought about as a result of a deep rooted wound. It sounds as though your statements and positions are more "anti-men" rather than "pro-women".
 
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Forgive me, but the way you generally characterize men in such a negative light is evidence of a rather unfair bias brought about as a result of a deep rooted wound. It sounds as though your statements and positions are more "anti-men" rather than "pro-women".

You are forgiven.

I've worked for men and I've worked for women in my life. Frankly, women are easier to work for. I've been married for fifty years to the same woman and I'm totally comfortable with her.

I also have a group of men who I meet with weekly for a 'men's night'. One of them drives me home every week because of my state of inebriation. It's that Christian guy I talk about sometimes who hears voices in his head and thinks it is God.

During the Ferguson protests I watched on Twitter live video from the front lines of the protests things that never made the national news. One of those times was a video of a young Black man facing off with a police officer at 'the line' between police and the protesters. You could see that the police officer was beginning to lose composure with the abuse the young man was shouting. A short Black woman wedged herself between the young man and the police officer. She talked the young man down got him off the line and someone else took his place. Bravery is not something that only men have.

There are a lot of things men are really good at. There are a lot of things women are good at. And there are a lot things BOTH are really good at if they are just given the opportunity to do them.

I just happen to believe there are a lot more things woman are good at than what they have been given the opportunity to do.
 
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You are forgiven.

I've worked for men and I've worked for women in my life. Frankly, women are easier to work for. I've been married for fifty years to the same woman and I'm totally comfortable with her.

I also have a group of men who I meet with weekly for a 'men's night'. One of them drives me home every week because of my state of inebriation. It's that Christian guy I talk about sometimes who hears voices in his head and thinks it is God.

During the Ferguson protests I watched on Twitter live video from the front lines of the protests things that never made the national news. One of those times was a video of a young Black man facing off with a police officer at 'the line' between police and the protesters. You could see that the police officer was beginning to lose composure with the abuse the young man was shouting. A short Black woman wedged herself between the young man and the police officer. She talked the young man down got him off the line and someone else took his place. Bravery is not something that only men have.

There are a lot of things men are really good at. There are a lot of things women are good at. And there are a lot things BOTH are really good at if they are just given the opportunity to do them.

I just happen to believe there are a lot more things woman are good at than what they have been given the opportunity to do.
I agree with your comment above, however, would you then concede that the comment below is false?
Us men never voluntarily accept responsibility for anything.
 
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