Abiogenesis

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Why would you say I don't like it?

Because if you did like it, you wouldn't have included 'myth', a very loaded word, in as one of the options.

 

[Larniavc]

An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that, in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle" and, "Every time I write a paper on the origin of life, I determine I will never write another one, because there is too much speculation running after too few facts."

Pathetic quote mine is pathetic.

Let’s look at the bit you intentionally missed out, shall we.

“But this should not be taken to imply that there are good reasons to believe that it could not have started on the earth by a perfectly reasonable sequence of fairly ordinary chemical reactions. The plain fact is that the time available was too long, the many microenvironments on the earth's surface too diverse, the various chemical possibilities too numerous and our own knowledge and imagination too feeble to allow us to be able to unravel exactly how it might or might not have happened such a long time ago, especially as we have no experimental evidence from that era to check our ideas against.”

Liar for Christ.

 

[HARK!]

As I said, some amino acids got caught up in a lipid layer.

Is that a probability; or is that a fact?

 

[HARK!]

Because if you did like it, you wouldn't have included 'myth', a very loaded word, in as one of the options.

That's conjecture on your part. That's not very scientific.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That's conjecture on your part. That's not very scientific.

Except it's not. It's basic knowledge of the English language.
Myth - definition
1: a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
2: stories or matter of this kind:realm of myth.
3: any invented story, idea, or concept:His account of the event is pure myth.
4: an imaginary or fictitious thing or person.
5: an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.

And you sure as ducks swim ain't using the first definition.

 

[SkyWriting]

Probably some amino acids got enveloped in a lipid membrane at some point and started replicating.

Why would they do that? Most (100%) of stuff doesn't replicate.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Pathetic quote mine is pathetic.

Let’s look at the bit you intentionally missed out, shall we.

“But this should not be taken to imply that there are good reasons to believe that it could not have started on the earth by a perfectly reasonable sequence of fairly ordinary chemical reactions. The plain fact is that the time available was too long, the many microenvironments on the earth's surface too diverse, the various chemical possibilities too numerous and our own knowledge and imagination too feeble to allow us to be able to unravel exactly how it might or might not have happened such a long time ago, especially as we have no experimental evidence from that era to check our ideas against.”

Liar for Christ.

The bit about 60 years of failed experiments is factual. The quotation is his words, not made up. Of course he would slip and slide and try to find a way to justify abiogenesis. He must, because for him, the alternative destroys his belief system. Good old science. Start off with a false premise, and build a case on it.

 

[Larniavc]

Is that a probability; or is that a fact?

Probably. We couldn’t say anything for certain; that’s not how science works. I could quite likely be of the mark.

 

[HARK!]

Except it's not. It's basic knowledge of the English language.
Myth - definition
1: a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
2: stories or matter of this kind:realm of myth.
3: any invented story, idea, or concept:His account of the event is pure myth.
4: an imaginary or fictitious thing or person.
5: an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.

And you sure as ducks swim ain't using the first definition.

The definition is irrelevant. You purported motive in absence of the facts. Again, that's not very scientific.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The bit about 60 years of failed experiments is factual. The quotation is his words, not made up. Of course he would slip and slide and try to find a way to justify abiogenesis. He must, because for him, the alternative destroys his belief system. Good old science. Start off with a false premise, and build a case on it.

Except that you clearly took what he said out of context, and then presented it in a way to say something he didn't mean. That's lying on your part.

Why would they do that?

Why does there need to be a why?

 

[HARK!]

Probably. We couldn’t say anything for certain; that’s not how science works. I could quite likely be of the mark.

Again, can you quantify the probability with numbers; or are you just working on a hunch?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The definition is irrelevant. You purported motive in absence of the facts. Again, that's not very scientific.

No, the definition is relevant. It amazes me so much how so many people on this site want to talk science, but don't give a single rat's behind about what a word means.
If you use certain words, they have certain meanings. Myth is a very loaded word since it means a story that isn't true.
And the motive is that you have a history, however short it may be, of trying to say that science is wrong about evolution, and just a very general negative attitude towards science.

 

[SkyWriting]

How should we view it?

God controls the spin of each electron and keeps it in the path he has planned. Normally forces get weaker as you move away from the source. With electrons, it's the opposite.
God keeps each atom from flying apart.

Colossians 1:17
And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Hebrews 1:3
He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power.

 

[HARK!]

No, the definition is relevant. It amazes me so much how so many people on this site want to talk science, but don't give a single rat's behind about what a word means.
If you use certain words, they have certain meanings. Myth is a very loaded word since it means a story that isn't true.
And the motive is that you have a history, however short it may be, of trying to say that science is wrong about evolution, and just a very general negative attitude towards science.

So far all that I've seen from you is opinion. You're entitled to yours. Early out of the gate we got a vote for myth; and it wasn't me. Apparently someone else holds an opinion different than yours and mine.

Guess what. They're entitled to it. I wanted to see opinions; and I'm glad that this person wasn't left out.

The fact of the matter, is that you don't like their opinion. Guess what else. They probably don't like yours; but the poll reflects your opinion.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

God controls the spin of each electron and keeps it in the path he has planned. Normally forces get weaker as you move away from the source. With electrons, it's the opposite.
God keeps each atom from flying apart.

Colossians 1:17
And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Hebrews 1:3
He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power.

What does that have to do with abiogenesis?

 

[muichimotsu]

There is science behind science fiction novels; but they're not science. In absence of your vote, I suspect that you are already aware of this.

Nice rhetorical spin, but science fiction doesn't claim to be reality, scientific theories have measurements, testing, methodology and rigorous peer review, so yeah...big difference

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So far all that I've seen from you is opinion. You're entitled to yours. Early out of the gate we got a vote for myth; and it wasn't me. Apparently someone else holds an opinion different than yours and mine.

Guess what. They're entitled to it. I wanted to see opinions; and I'm glad that this person wasn't left out.

The fact of the matter, is that you don't like their opinion. Guess what else. They probably don't like yours; but the poll reflects your opinion.

What does any of that have to do with what I wrote?

 

[SkyWriting]

What does that have to do with abiogenesis?

Hebrews 1:3
He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power.

he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.


It's quite inclusive. God being the source of what you are asking.

 

[HARK!]

Nice rhetorical spin, but science fiction doesn't claim to be reality, scientific theories have measurements, testing, methodology and rigorous peer review, so yeah...big difference

I've been asking for a simple measurement of nothing more than the mere probability. Nothing.

 

[Larniavc]

Why would they do that? Most (100%) of stuff doesn't replicate.

Crystals do, RNA molecules do, prions do.