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You and TribulationSigns have removed the nations from the church, and have the battles of the nations all planned out. Yes God uses nations for His purpose, but you all left out the revival of repentance where such nations turn to God in a day, as per Jonah. Interesting suppositions though. If the nations want these two witnesses dead, and rejoice when they are dead, when did revival happen?

You think the Muslims going to have a revival before they attack Israel? I havnt read of a revival. I have read of a falling away.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
 
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Exactly, almost no church to rapture. You preach the falling away is a good thing. It is the shame of the church and gives Satan the upper hand. Islam is a religion, not a nation. When the Lamb and God on the throne appear in the 6th seal, religion will cease. Kind of hard to pretend God and the Lamb do not exist, and humans can concoct any theology they want. Those days of religion are over after the 6th seal. No more athiest either. That does not mean humanity rejects Satan and the false prophet. Humanity still does not fear God. They think they can still appease God in their own works. Look at God's own chosen people at Mt. Sinai. They built a golden calf and worshipped it, right in front of God. The tribulation will be no different. But economy and work will be front and center. If humanism is not a religion, it will not become one. Humanism is the ideology of today.

Revival of a nation does not happen without the church. It is not the nation that figures out what is what. It is the church repenting, being humble, and turning away from wickedness. Then God heals that nation where the church is obedient. The church is in every nation on earth. It happens in each nation. It only happens to all nations, if the church obeys God in their respective nations. It is not on the basis of any particular nation. Only the church in each nation is the key for that nation. Why would any revival be mentioned in prophecy? The church is not forced to be obedient. The church needs to wake up, and stop listening to apostate doctrine and theology. The church does not rest on leadership. The church rests on individuals who obey God. The church does not rest on religion nor theology. The church rests on individuals who read their Bible and obey God.
 
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Exactly, almost no church to rapture. You preach the falling away is a good thing. It is the shame of the church and gives Satan the upper hand. Islam is a religion, not a nation. When the Lamb and God on the throne appear in the 6th seal, religion will cease. Kind of hard to pretend God and the Lamb do not exist, and humans can concoct any theology they want. Those days of religion are over after the 6th seal. No more athiest either. That does not mean humanity rejects Satan and the false prophet. Humanity still does not fear God. They think they can still appease God in their own works. Look at God's own chosen people at Mt. Sinai. They built a golden calf and worshipped it, right in front of God. The tribulation will be no different. But economy and work will be front and center. If humanism is not a religion, it will not become one. Humanism is the ideology of today.

Revival of a nation does not happen without the church. It is not the nation that figures out what is what. It is the church repenting, being humble, and turning away from wickedness. Then God heals that nation where the church is obedient. The church is in every nation on earth. It happens in each nation. It only happens to all nations, if the church obeys God in their respective nations. It is not on the basis of any particular nation. Only the church in each nation is the key for that nation. Why would any revival be mentioned in prophecy? The church is not forced to be obedient. The church needs to wake up, and stop listening to apostate doctrine and theology. The church does not rest on leadership. The church rests on individuals who obey God. The church does not rest on religion nor theology. The church rests on individuals who read their Bible and obey God.

In the meantime, Turkey wants to unite the beast to confront Israel and liberate the dome of the rock.

Turkey is increasingly becoming a threat to Israel

And Iran still preparing for Armegeddon.

The Iranians are lulling Israel's leaders to sleep | Opinion
 
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In the meantime, Turkey wants to unite the beast to confront Israel and liberate the dome of the rock.

Turkey is increasingly becoming a threat to Israel

And Iran still preparing for Armegeddon.

The Iranians are lulling Israel's leaders to sleep | Opinion
It is not going to get any better. That has little to do with the church obeying God. In the 4th seal 25% of humanity is killed in war, famine, covid19, and wild animals. God will not respect between the lost or the church. This judgment comes from God. It is not the work of Satan or the false prophet.
 
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The king of the South attacks Jerusalem where our troops will be stationed. He and his companions(9 others) take control of Jerusalem(the harlot) at that time killing the Jews.
At that time our military uses the abomination of desolation. That is the time of the end.

According to scripture our military destroys about all of the middle east and Egypt.
According to Ezekiel no one will be able to live in Egypt for 40 years after our military gets through with it.

Surely you didn't think Israel's most trusted ally was going to stay out of this war? Seriously. You thought the police of the world wouldnt even get involved when Israel is attacked by the beast? Come on man, get serious.

Iran can chant death to America all they want but when they attack us and Israel, we are going to light that whole place on fire.We destroy it all.

Well you have allegorized everything to make America a hero here. But when the Russian incasion occurs, the bible says that all we will do is whine and complain!

America, if the phrase isles of the seas or Tarshish and her young lions is a reference to us- is a minor player in th eend times.

The Antichrist causes the whole world to recieve his mark or die!

REv. 13:

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The WHOLE unbelieving world (including those in America) will worship the beast and do as he wishes!.
 
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Shhh... calm down. Let start with Revelation 16 and I will be the one who is teaching.



Did God talk about physical great river Euphrates in the Middle East or does it signifies the protective border for the New Testament Congregation of Israel, the woman who has fled into the wilderness (world) safe from Satan for 1,260 symbolic days? After 1,260 days, the people of the congregation has become more unfaithful to obey God's commandments. God will allow the river to dry up so that He will use the wicked enemies to come in as a tool of judgment. Again, the drying up of the Euphrates signifies the way for the armies to come across to destroy them.

Do you know who are the kings of the East? Have you considered that the drying up of the river is not only to let the wicked rulers of the world in, but also give God's people a way OUT from among these people who are now under wrath and judgment of God. The kings of the East symbolize the people of Christ, the TRUE believers who heard God's command to come out from among them Christ Himself being the Ultimate King from the East, and we, his people as kings and priests of His Kingdom? Didn't you read the Scripture?

Matthew 2:2
  • "Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen His star in the East, and are come to worship him."
Matthew 2:9
  • "When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the East, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was."
Revelation 7:2
  • "And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,"
The Messenger from the East possessing the seal to secure the servants of in their forehead is the Spirit of Christ. Those kings from the east are those sealed of Christ.

Selah!



Have you studied the meaning of number three in Scripture? It signifies God's purpose and will. The answer is this:

Revelation 17:16-18 KJV
[16] And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
[17] For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
[18] And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

See, it is God's will and purpose that he will allow His congregation to be attacked by the enemies. To let them in, but at the same time, call his faithful one to come out of her.



Revelation 9:3
  • "And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power."
So when God says here locusts came from the smoke of the pit and were given power as scorpions, the Scripture being its own dictionary, this clearly refers to the spirits of devils loosed to rule men to cause them to rise up as an army of locusts to plague the people who afflict God's children.

This is the same cryptic imagery and symbology of the plagues God poured out upon Exdous' Egypt, except this is poured upon spiritual Egypt, a rebellious house that wants a false Christ instead of the true Christ. Therefore, God sent enemies upon them as Locusts, frogs, poison rivers, and pestilence as a judgment. And note who God identifies them as "the spirits of Devils" that go forth to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Even as Revelation 20 so plainly reiterates. These aren't literal frogs anymore than Revelation 9 were literal locusts. They are an army of unrighteous men, sent by God to plague man. To decevie those people WITHIN the congregation (woman) who are not yet sealed (saved) by God. It is a judgment upon the PROFESSED CHRISTIANS!

Revelation 9:3-4 KJV
[3] And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
[4] And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Those who are sealed by God are saved and secured in Christ. But those professed Christians who have not yet seal of God, are subject to God's judgment upon them with locusts, frogs, pestilence, etc. It is cryptic to be sure, especially for natural or carnal mind Christians, but not unable to understand unless one has spirit of Christ to understand it. For with the power of the Holy Spirit, and a sound hermeneutic, we can SEE the mystery of the woman that rides the beast. We can see unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon. We can see the false prophet as the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. See them as a plague of locusts which go forth to destroy!

Now, let hear from you on your position about Revelation 16. :p

Well you are right about one thing; it is you doing the teaching and not the Word of God! YOur reinterpretation of Gods Word is even whackier than the JW's reinterpretation and theirs is really zany!

REv. 16 in a nutshell:

1. The plagues of Egypt actually happened, not symbolocally happened.
2. First vial God gives unbeliever a grievous sore
3. 2nd vial- the sea dies and all the creatures in it!
4. 3rd vial- fresh waters polluted (this we know is symbolic because it says the waters became AS blood-clue blood is symbolic)
5. 4th vial poured on sun- men tormented with heat ! This could be something as simple as a massive solar flare God causes! Men refused to repent.
6. 5th seal great darkness at teh chief capitol of the Antichrist. People still in pain from the sores Blaming god for their judgments.
7. 6th seal- drying up the euphrates to make way for the kings of the east! (a preparatory act)
3 demons are issued by the Antichrist, false prophet and Satan to gather all the armies of teh world to battle of the great day of God Almighty (what is called Armageddon)

8 7th vial. Voice from the throne of God- Babylon falls and massive tectonic activity across the globe.

Massive hail falls and men still blaspheme God (which is expected, since they took the mark they are damned forever).


It is going to happen just like that- this is the teaching of the Word of god without mans' imagination added in for whatever reason you wish to alter the Word of God!
 
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Well you are right about one thing; it is you doing the teaching and not the Word of God! YOur reinterpretation of Gods Word is even whackier than the JW's reinterpretation and theirs is really zany!

Incorrect. It is God's interpreting HIS own Word that I testified. But it's okay if you cannot see this as a natural man.

1. The plagues of Egypt actually happened, not symbolocally happened.

Well, okay. It literally happens which has spiritual signification for us today in the book of Revelation.

Due to time and space, I will not respond to all of your erroneous vial listings. So I will respond to the first two to show you how well I understood Scripture instead that trumps your silly literal interpretations.

2. First vial God gives unbeliever a grievous sore

Revelation 16:2 KJV
[2] And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

The noisome is an old word that literally means an "annoyance, from noy," illustrating something that causes grief. By extension, it delineates something very bad or hurtful--such as a repulsive and tormenting sore. Along with the qualifying word here that is translated "grievous," God is illustrated some calamitous thing that has fallen upon those who are marked of Satan, and pointing us back to His judgments upon the wicked of Egypt whom He brought the plague of sores upon. Here God says only those marked of the beast, and that's an important distinction and yet another signpost that these sores are not physical anymore than the mark of the beast on these people is. The word noisome is the Greek [kakos] depicting what we might call today something "extremely grievous and painful," such as a cancerous or putrefying sore. Like was signified in the plagues of Egypt, it illustrates being unclean, which is why only those who are marked slaves of Satan could be cursed with this plague. While (as Revelation also plainly says) those with the seal of God in their forehead cannot be hurt by these plagues.

I believe it is saying they blasphemed God because of their sores, meaning the reason they blasphemed or spoke evil of God was because of their sores. Or to put it another way, because they were pained with sores, they blasphemed God. They are deceived, they are not even aware of their pain or sores because it is not physical. It is a spiritual uncleanness that has befallen them, not that they are in any way physically wrecked with pain and sores. They are spiritually unclean. This is just as Christ illustrated in the parable of the Rich man and Lazarus. Lazarus was a beggar who laid at the gate full of sores, only desiring to be fed with crumbs from the rich man's table. His sores illustrated his wretched unclean condition on earth, wherein with Christ he was made clean to stand before God while the rich man whose rich and prosperous condition on earth, in the afterlife he was in hell being tormented. The sores illustrate uncleanness, like an ulcer. And because God sent these sores upon them as judgment, they blasphemed.

Next!

3. 2nd vial- the sea dies and all the creatures in it!

Revelation 16:3 KJV
[3] And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

You said, "sea dies and all the creatures in it" is pretty stupid without actually studying and compare Scripture with Scripture. Watch me on how I understood it.

Isaiah 57:20
  • "But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt."
The sea becoming blood again signifies another plague upon the wicked of the Church, which was supposed to be fishers of men, but which has spiritually become Egypt. In other words, the turning of the sea (wicked) to blood hearkens us back to God's judgments upon Egypt for holding God's people prisoner. These were supposed to preach the gospel, but instead, they turned against the faithful, became enemies raging in these troubled times like the sea. Not unlike our lord explains in Jude of the unrighteous in His house.

Jude 1:11
  • "Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core."
  • These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
  • Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever."
These are the apostatized, and these are those plagued. The sea become position with false gospels and doctrines. And many in the sea were once a living soul, has tasted heavenly thing, dies, because they are deceived by their own doctrines.

It is going to happen just like that- this is the teaching of the Word of god without mans' imagination added in for whatever reason you wish to alter the Word of God!

I assure you that God was not talking about seafood here. :) You remained refuted on Revelation 16.
 
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The noisome is an old word that literally means an "annoyance, from noy," illustrating something that causes grief. By extension, it delineates something very bad or hurtful--such as a repulsive and tormenting sore. Along with the qualifying word here that is translated "grievous," God is illustrated some calamitous thing that has fallen upon those who are marked of Satan, and pointing us back to His judgments upon the wicked of Egypt whom He brought the plague of sores upon. Here God says only those marked of the beast, and that's an important distinction and yet another signpost that these sores are not physical anymore than the mark of the beast on these people is. The word noisome is the Greek [kakos] depicting what we might call today something "extremely grievous and painful," such as a cancerous or putrefying sore. Like was signified in the plagues of Egypt, it illustrates being unclean, which is why only those who are marked slaves of Satan could be cursed with this plague. While (as Revelation also plainly says) those with the seal of God in their forehead cannot be hurt by these plagues.

pout tribby signs:

You don't like what God has to sday, so you feel the need to be His Editor!

The mark of the beast is not physical?? God says it is!

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

mark is charagma and means a physical stamp or imprint or mark--something physical! No one can do commerce without it!

Do you know we already have something that MIGHT (might not is) be used?? An RFID chip that already is injected nito peoples right hand or forehead is already in use in I think Sweden. People use it for their pets and delivery companies use a varinat so people can track packages in real time.
 
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Well you have allegorized everything to make America a hero here. But when the Russian incasion occurs, the bible says that all we will do is whine and complain!

America, if the phrase isles of the seas or Tarshish and her young lions is a reference to us- is a minor player in th eend times.

The Antichrist causes the whole world to recieve his mark or die!

REv. 13:

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The WHOLE unbelieving world (including those in America) will worship the beast and do as he wishes!.


The beast is already appeared and very few people in America worship it.And why should they? Americans have thier own country to deal with. A very large country and God has made th is country a great country.
Why would you think anyone in America would love a kingdom devided into 11 countries that cant get along and have Jerusalem reigning over them?
Be for real.
 
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Incorrect. It is God's interpreting HIS own Word that I testified. But it's okay if you cannot see this as a natural man.
Well, okay. It literally happens which has spiritual signification for us today in the book of Revelation.
Due to time and space, I will not respond to all of your erroneous vial listings. So I will respond to the first two to show you how well I understood Scripture instead that trumps your silly literal interpretations.

Revelation 16:2 KJV
[2] And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

The noisome is an old word that literally means an "annoyance, from noy," illustrating something that causes grief. By extension, it delineates something very bad or hurtful--such as a repulsive and tormenting sore. Along with the qualifying word here that is translated "grievous," God is illustrated some calamitous thing that has fallen upon those who are marked of Satan, and pointing us back to His judgments upon the wicked of Egypt whom He brought the plague of sores upon. Here God says only those marked of the beast, and that's an important distinction and yet another signpost that these sores are not physical anymore than the mark of the beast on these people is. The word noisome is the Greek [kakos] depicting what we might call today something "extremely grievous and painful," such as a cancerous or putrefying sore. Like was signified in the plagues of Egypt, it illustrates being unclean, which is why only those who are marked slaves of Satan could be cursed with this plague. While (as Revelation also plainly says) those with the seal of God in their forehead cannot be hurt by these plagues.

I believe it is saying they blasphemed God because of their sores, meaning the reason they blasphemed or spoke evil of God was because of their sores. Or to put it another way, because they were pained with sores, they blasphemed God. They are deceived, they are not even aware of their pain or sores because it is not physical. It is a spiritual uncleanness that has befallen them, not that they are in any way physically wrecked with pain and sores. They are spiritually unclean. This is just as Christ illustrated in the parable of the Rich man and Lazarus. Lazarus was a beggar who laid at the gate full of sores, only desiring to be fed with crumbs from the rich man's table. His sores illustrated his wretched unclean condition on earth, wherein with Christ he was made clean to stand before God while the rich man whose rich and prosperous condition on earth, in the afterlife he was in hell being tormented. The sores illustrate uncleanness, like an ulcer. And because God sent these sores upon them as judgment, they blasphemed.

Next!

Revelation 16:3 KJV
[3] And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

You said, "sea dies and all the creatures in it" is pretty stupid without actually studying and compare Scripture with Scripture. Watch me on how I understood it.

Isaiah 57:20
  • "But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt."
The sea becoming blood again signifies another plague upon the wicked of the Church, which was supposed to be fishers of men, but which has spiritually become Egypt. In other words, the turning of the sea (wicked) to blood hearkens us back to God's judgments upon Egypt for holding God's people prisoner. These were supposed to preach the gospel, but instead, they turned against the faithful, became enemies raging in these troubled times like the sea. Not unlike our lord explains in Jude of the unrighteous in His house.

Jude 1:11
  • "Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core."
  • These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
  • Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever."
These are the apostatized, and these are those plagued. The sea become position with false gospels and doctrines. And many in the sea were once a living soul, has tasted heavenly thing, dies, because they are deceived by their own doctrines.

I assure you that God was not talking about seafood here. :) You remained refuted on Revelation 16.
I take it that covid19 is not literal either? It is a spiritual curse, messing with people's thoughts and emotional life. People are only dying spiritually and not physically. Your refutation of the first seal, and the consequential 2nd and 3rd seals, has been noted. It is past history, and we should ignore all seals as being relevant today.
 
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You don't like what God has to sday, so you feel the need to be His Editor!

Who said that I did not like what God's say? I just compared His Word with the rest of His Scripture to understand Him. You just don't like it and that is tooooo bad. I still notice, as predicted, that you have not really refuted anything that I said in my previous posts with Scripture! Therefore, you remained refuted!

The mark of the beast is not physical?? God says it is!

To a natural man because spiritual understanding seems foolish to you. Remember the verse I quoted against you? Oh well!

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

First, what mark is it? What does the right hand signifies? What does the foreheads signifies. Do you know that in Revelation 14 where the 144,000 (symbolically all people in Christ) receive a mark on their forehead? Is it a physical mark? No. it is a symbolic mark. But I will wait until you explain what a mark on right hand and forehead signifies.

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Buy and sell what? Physical foods, clothing, home, cars? Or buy and sell the doctrines of the devil by those who have his spiritual mark. Think about it. You need to stop watching "left behind" series and get an interpretation from God in the Scripture.

mark is charagma and means a physical stamp or imprint or mark--something physical! No one can do commerce without it!

Sigh. again, to a natural man without the spirit of Christ, 1st Corth 2:13-15.

Do you know we already have something that MIGHT (might not is) be used?? An RFID chip that already is injected nito peoples right hand or forehead is already in use in I think Sweden. People use it for their pets and delivery companies use a varinat so people can track packages in real time.

Readers, this is a fine example of newspaper eschatology. Sorry, no physical mark can determine our soul's destiny! Common sense is if someone attacks a Christian unconsciously and put the "mark" on your right hand or forehead against his will, will he suddenly become lost in God's eyes? Seriously?! No this is not how God decides this way!

What you fail to understand is the beast is a spiritual body of Satan making up of false prophets and christs in the church who is going to deceive and forcing everyone in the church who has NOT YET SEALED BY GOD to receive their mark. The mark of the beast on right hand or forehead in man signifies the bondage or slavery to Satan. The right hand, in Scripture, signifies your will. The forehead, in Scripture, signifies having the same mind. You do not need a physical mark to accomplish that! It is a spiritual mark that Satan forces you to have in order to buy or sell his false doctrines as an attack against Christians coming with true testimony. It is a spiritual battle. Selah!

You are listening to nonsense about the physical mark in the news, movies, Popular Science. You believe this because you lack spiritual discernment to understand who the beast is, his mark, his image and the signification of right hand and forehead. The spiritual mark is much much deadlier than any wimpy physical mark fantasy of yours. This is what God will see on Judgment day.
 
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Who said that I did not like what God's say? I just compared His Word with the rest of His Scripture to understand Him. You just don't like it and that is tooooo bad. I still notice, as predicted, that you have not really refuted anything that I said in my previous posts with Scripture! Therefore, you remained refuted!



To a natural man because spiritual understanding seems foolish to you. Remember the verse I quoted against you? Oh well!



First, what mark is it? What does the right hand signifies? What does the foreheads signifies. Do you know that in Revelation 14 where the 144,000 (symbolically all people in Christ) receive a mark on their forehead? Is it a physical mark? No. it is a symbolic mark. But I will wait until you explain what a mark on right hand and forehead signifies.



Buy and sell what? Physical foods, clothing, home, cars? Or buy and sell the doctrines of the devil by those who have his spiritual mark. Think about it. You need to stop watching "left behind" series and get an interpretation from God in the Scripture.



Sigh. again, to a natural man without the spirit of Christ, 1st Corth 2:13-15.



Readers, this is a fine example of newspaper eschatology. Sorry, no physical mark can determine our soul's destiny! Common sense is if someone attacks a Christian unconsciously and put the "mark" on your right hand or forehead against his will, will he suddenly become lost in God's eyes? Seriously?! No this is not how God decides this way!

What you fail to understand is the beast is a spiritual body of Satan making up of false prophets and christs in the church who is going to deceive and forcing everyone in the church who has NOT YET SEALED BY GOD to receive their mark. The mark of the beast on right hand or forehead in man signifies the bondage or slavery to Satan. The right hand, in Scripture, signifies your will. The forehead, in Scripture, signifies having the same mind. You do not need a physical mark to accomplish that! It is a spiritual mark that Satan forces you to have in order to buy or sell his false doctrines as an attack against Christians coming with true testimony. It is a spiritual battle. Selah!

You are listening to nonsense about the physical mark in the news, movies, Popular Science. You believe this because you lack spiritual discernment to understand who the beast is, his mark, his image and the signification of right hand and forehead. The spiritual mark is much much deadlier than any wimpy physical mark fantasy of yours. This is what God will see on Judgment day.
The mark is not forced. The mark is the curse placed on all Adam's descendants. It is the curse of labor by the sweat of the brow. During this 3.5 year period this 666 brand will appear on the brow. Satan does not give free things to humans. Satan demands a payment. That payment is acknowledgment of the curse God allows to come out on the brow. Proud people will tattoo 666 on their arms so they can see it without having to constantly look in a mirror. Some will probably constantly look in a mirror and tattoo it on their body. I guess it depends on how much credit they have with Satan to worship him instead of God.

To prevent the mark, one's head must be cut off. This is not spiritual darkness. This is the literal physical state of humanity. The church will not be around. The 144k are not the whole church, only 144K Jewish male virgins. They are not going to be around either. Only 2 literal humans, standing in Jerusalem for 3.5 years are going to be there. They will be pleading for people to have their heads chopped off. They will be defending themselves against those who want them to die. It is not billions of the church filling up the whole area around Jerusalem. How would Satan, the false prophet, and Satan's antichrist move around Jerusalem if there were billions of glorified bodies taking up all the area around Jerusalem?

If this is all just a spiritual "moment in time" and nothing physical at all, then all humanity is already dead and in sheol. Those in sheol are having one universal hallucination. Glorified bodies cannot have their heads cut off. This time has nothing to do with the church, but the harvest of dead people. Paul does not claim the church is ever harvested. Never subjected to having heads cut off at Satan's command. Paul claims all the church is changed at the same time into glorified bodies.

From a 1st century perspective all are martyrs. How could John explain to 1st century believers that today there are some of the Church who are millionaires who can afford a million dollar funeral? Perhaps John thinks some in churches today are not even part of the body of Christ?
 
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The mark is not forced. The mark is the curse placed on all Adam's descendants. It is the curse of labor by the sweat of the brow. During this 3.5 year period this 666 brand will appear on the brow. Satan does not give free things to humans. Satan demands a payment. That payment is acknowledgment of the curse God allows to come out on the brow. Proud people will tattoo 666 on their arms so they can see it without having to constantly look in a mirror. Some will probably constantly look in a mirror and tattoo it on their body. I guess it depends on how much credit they have with Satan to worship him instead of God.

To prevent the mark, one's head must be cut off. This is not spiritual darkness. This is the literal physical state of humanity. The church will not be around. The 144k are not the whole church, only 144K Jewish male virgins. They are not going to be around either. Only 2 literal humans, standing in Jerusalem for 3.5 years are going to be there. They will be pleading for people to have their heads chopped off. They will be defending themselves against those who want them to die. It is not billions of the church filling up the whole area around Jerusalem. How would Satan, the false prophet, and Satan's antichrist move around Jerusalem if there were billions of glorified bodies taking up all the area around Jerusalem?

If this is all just a spiritual "moment in time" and nothing physical at all, then all humanity is already dead and in sheol. Those in sheol are having one universal hallucination. Glorified bodies cannot have their heads cut off. This time has nothing to do with the church, but the harvest of dead people. Paul does not claim the church is ever harvested. Never subjected to having heads cut off at Satan's command. Paul claims all the church is changed at the same time into glorified bodies.

From a 1st century perspective all are martyrs. How could John explain to 1st century believers that today there are some of the Church who are millionaires who can afford a million dollar funeral? Perhaps John thinks some in churches today are not even part of the body of Christ?

No people don't give it to themselves. Do you ever read the Bible?

Revelation 13:16 And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,
Revelation 13:17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark--the name of the beast or the number of its name.

And this has nothing to do with Satan.
Satan doesn't own McDonald's.
 
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Incorrect. It is God's interpreting HIS own Word that I testified. But it's okay if you cannot see this as a natural man.

AQh once again - if you don't agree with my allegorical opinion- you are just carnal! God does not "interpret"His word- He revealed His Word.

Revelation 16:2 KJV
[2] And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

The noisome is an old word that literally means an "annoyance, from noy," illustrating something that causes grief. By extension, it delineates something very bad or hurtful--such as a repulsive and tormenting sore. Along with the qualifying word here that is translated "grievous," God is illustrated some calamitous thing that has fallen upon those who are marked of Satan, and pointing us back to His judgments upon the wicked of Egypt whom He brought the plague of sores upon. Here God says only those marked of the beast, and that's an important distinction and yet another signpost that these sores are not physical anymore than the mark of the beast on these people is. The word noisome is the Greek [kakos] depicting what we might call today something "extremely grievous and painful," such as a cancerous or putrefying sore. Like was signified in the plagues of Egypt, it illustrates being unclean, which is why only those who are marked slaves of Satan could be cursed with this plague. While (as Revelation also plainly says) those with the seal of God in their forehead cannot be hurt by these plagues.

I believe it is saying they blasphemed God because of their sores, meaning the reason they blasphemed or spoke evil of God was because of their sores. Or to put it another way, because they were pained with sores, they blasphemed God. They are deceived, they are not even aware of their pain or sores because it is not physical. It is a spiritual uncleanness that has befallen them, not that they are in any way physically wrecked with pain and sores. They are spiritually unclean. This is just as Christ illustrated in the parable of the Rich man and Lazarus. Lazarus was a beggar who laid at the gate full of sores, only desiring to be fed with crumbs from the rich man's table. His sores illustrated his wretched unclean condition on earth, wherein with Christ he was made clean to stand before God while the rich man whose rich and prosperous condition on earth, in the afterlife he was in hell being tormented. The sores illustrate uncleanness, like an ulcer. And because God sent these sores upon them as judgment, they blasphemed.

all this is gnat straining because I said the same as you but did not use as much verbal garbage as you did!

Who said that I did not like what God's say? I just compared His Word with the rest of His Scripture to understand Him. You just don't like it and that is tooooo bad. I still notice, as predicted, that you have not really refuted anything that I said in my previous posts with Scripture! Therefore, you remained refuted!

You didn't compare. You just took a passage and did this old lie: " I know what it says, but this is what it means." Who appointed you Gods editor, like He even needs one. Still waiting a biblical response to show me I am refuted. Not a verbose opinion.

First, what mark is it? What does the right hand signifies? What does the foreheads signifies. Do you know that in Revelation 14 where the 144,000 (symbolically all people in Christ) receive a mark on their forehead? Is it a physical mark? No. it is a symbolic mark. But I will wait until you explain what a mark on right hand and forehead signifies.

why should we accept your "spiritual explanations" more than say David Koresh, the JWS. teh Presbyterians, other allegorists, the JW's, the Mormons? they all use the exact same lines to make their spiritual opinions sound like they are straight from the bible.

YOU haven't even shown why God expects us to take the 144,000 and the mark as symbolic and not literal 144,000 from twelve tribes and that God inspired the use of the word charagma when he could have used other words that would have been better if he meant them to not be taken as written.
 
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Buy and sell what? Physical foods, clothing, home, cars? Or buy and sell the doctrines of the devil by those who have his spiritual mark. Think about it. You need to stop watching "left behind" series and get an interpretation from God in the Scripture.

Sigh. again, to a natural man without the spirit of Christ, 1st Corth 2:13-15.

Why not? that is what is written!

So you think I am unsaved! good to know!

But as you are about the 10,000th "spiritual man" who got this special ability to tell us what Scripture really means spiritually, why are you more authoratative than the roman church, many reformed churches and preachers etc. Declare your authority in the Lord!

Especially since you have sinned a grave and grievous sin and declared me unsaved because you say I havwe not the spirit of Christ.

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

I find you funny in that you finally agreed that teh plagues of Egypt are literal, but wish to hang on to your pride and hold that the plagues of Revelation have to be symbolic!

YOu remain unbiblical!
 
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The beast is already appeared and very few people in America worship it.And why should they? Americans have thier own country to deal with. A very large country and God has made th is country a great country.
Why would you think anyone in America would love a kingdom devided into 11 countries that cant get along and have Jerusalem reigning over them?
Be for real.

Just one reason: Because god said so in His Word!

Why will America worship a ruler of the whole World?

2 Thessalonians 2:6-12
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6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

After teh church is taken home, god sends a strong delusion o nthose who rejected the truth andGod causes them to believe a lie so they will be damned!

I am very very very very real!
 
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Readers, this is a fine example of newspaper eschatology. Sorry, no physical mark can determine our soul's destiny! Common sense is if someone attacks a Christian unconsciously and put the "mark" on your right hand or forehead against his will, will he suddenly become lost in God's eyes? Seriously?! No this is not how God decides this way!

What you fail to understand is the beast is a spiritual body of Satan making up of false prophets and christs in the church who is going to deceive and forcing everyone in the church who has NOT YET SEALED BY GOD to receive their mark. The mark of the beast on right hand or forehead in man signifies the bondage or slavery to Satan. The right hand, in Scripture, signifies your will. The forehead, in Scripture, signifies having the same mind. You do not need a physical mark to accomplish that! It is a spiritual mark that Satan forces you to have in order to buy or sell his false doctrines as an attack against Christians coming with true testimony. It is a spiritual battle. Selah!

You are listening to nonsense about the physical mark in the news, movies, Popular Science. You believe this because you lack spiritual discernment to understand who the beast is, his mark, his image and the signification of right hand and forehead. The spiritual mark is much much deadlier than any wimpy physical mark fantasy of yours. This is what God will see on Judgment day.

Wow! Th elevel of sins you committed by making assumptions, being presumptious and bearing falsw itness is truly amazing!

This is what happens when someone only half studies Gods' Word and then goes half cocked and filled with themselves.

No one will force a mark on anyone. Even my first year Bible students learn that from the language of Scriptures!

Once again why are your supposed "correct biblical spiritualizations" any more accurate than Hal Lindsays or the Watchtowers declared "correct biblical spiritualizations".

And I condemn newspaper exegesis! But then again , it appears you are more interested in you rown opinions and ability to attack the brethren than to search out the truth! YOur exegesis and hereneutic methodology clearly witness to these facts!
 
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I find you funny in that you finally agreed that teh plagues of Egypt are literal, but wish to hang on to your pride and hold that the plagues of Revelation have to be symbolic!

Wow.

Wow, indeed.

No one is going to understand the cryptic language of Revelation except those to whom it is given to understand. I can talk to you until I got blue in my face concerning the meaning of the imagery and language of the book of Revelation, and unless God opens your eyes, you will have their own private interpretations with a literal approach based on what they read in the news. Or making claim that their pride does not know what it means.

Yes, based on your response and interpretations you have natural/carnal inclination is to see the stars, the moon, and the sun as physical objects in heaven. And that's how most "professing" Christians read them throughout the Bible. As physical stars falling, as the literal moon turning blood red, as physical plagues, sea turning to blood and all sea animals dies, etc. But the revelation is that these are merely symbols, and those who will understand this are those who have the mind of Christ to discern in spirit and truth. (not necessarily has to do with salvation since this is God's business.) Those who don't see the stars as physical stars, candlesticks as physical candlesticks, the Dragon as aa physical Dragon, Babylon as Physical Babylon, the wars, famine, pestilence as physical, or Israel as the physical nation in the middle east, will know these truths because they are spiritually discerned. The Apocalypse or Revelation of what is and is to come is made known to God's chosen few. Which is why it is written in this cryptic, parabolic, enigmatic form. All are not meant to understand, only those whom the scales have been removed from their eyes. ...Spiritually Speaking.

Matthew 13:10-11
  • "And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
  • He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given."
It might just as well be said that to me it is given to know the parabolic language of Revelation, but to you is not given to know. Same principle. Thus by the word of God you have your answer why this is a secretive or cryptic undiscernible mystery to them (the unsaved) and to us (regenerated by the Spirit) it is given of God to know the truth of it. Revelation is for us who can discern the truth of it. God never meant for it to be understood by all, but by His election. Here's another topical example:

Revelation 17:5
  • "And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon the Great, The mother Of harlots and Abominations of the Earth."
The mother of harlotry and Abominations of the world is a mystery to many, but to those with the Spirit of God it is a portrait of the unfaithful house of God that has turned against her betrothed to what is spiritual harlotry. This is the church in her spiritual adultery having gone whoring from Her God. Her seed or children is not of God but of her spiritual harlotry. Just as God used the exact same language for His congregation in the Old Testament (National Israel) before. It's not something new, it's something revealed through the Spirit and faithful study of God's word. It is the house of God's own people that commit these abominations and play the harlot. Again, and again. We merely need to discern these truths.

Jeremiah 3:6
  • "The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot."
As saith the preacher, there is nothing new under the sun. As for you who does not seem to have a spiritual understanding that I am no longer interested to discuss with anymore. Therefore, you have been placed on my ignore list.

Take care!
 
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Wow, indeed.

No one is going to understand the cryptic language of Revelation except those to whom it is given to understand. I can talk to you until I got blue in my face concerning the meaning of the imagery and language of the book of Revelation, and unless God opens your eyes, you will have their own private interpretations with a literal approach based on what they read in the news. Or making claim that their pride does not know what it means.

Yes, based on your response and interpretations you have natural/carnal inclination is to see the stars, the moon, and the sun as physical objects in heaven. And that's how most "professing" Christians read them throughout the Bible. As physical stars falling, as the literal moon turning blood red, as physical plagues, sea turning to blood and all sea animals dies, etc. But the revelation is that these are merely symbols, and those who will understand this are those who have the mind of Christ to discern in spirit and truth. (not necessarily has to do with salvation since this is God's business.) Those who don't see the stars as physical stars, candlesticks as physical candlesticks, the Dragon as aa physical Dragon, Babylon as Physical Babylon, the wars, famine, pestilence as physical, or Israel as the physical nation in the middle east, will know these truths because they are spiritually discerned. The Apocalypse or Revelation of what is and is to come is made known to God's chosen few. Which is why it is written in this cryptic, parabolic, enigmatic form. All are not meant to understand, only those whom the scales have been removed from their eyes. ...Spiritually Speaking.

Matthew 13:10-11
  • "And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
  • He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given."
It might just as well be said that to me it is given to know the parabolic language of Revelation, but to you is not given to know. Same principle. Thus by the word of God you have your answer why this is a secretive or cryptic undiscernible mystery to them (the unsaved) and to us (regenerated by the Spirit) it is given of God to know the truth of it. Revelation is for us who can discern the truth of it. God never meant for it to be understood by all, but by His election. Here's another topical example:

Revelation 17:5
  • "And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon the Great, The mother Of harlots and Abominations of the Earth."
The mother of harlotry and Abominations of the world is a mystery to many, but to those with the Spirit of God it is a portrait of the unfaithful house of God that has turned against her betrothed to what is spiritual harlotry. This is the church in her spiritual adultery having gone whoring from Her God. Her seed or children is not of God but of her spiritual harlotry. Just as God used the exact same language for His congregation in the Old Testament (National Israel) before. It's not something new, it's something revealed through the Spirit and faithful study of God's word. It is the house of God's own people that commit these abominations and play the harlot. Again, and again. We merely need to discern these truths.

Jeremiah 3:6
  • "The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot."
As saith the preacher, there is nothing new under the sun. As for you who does not seem to have a spiritual understanding that I am no longer interested to discuss with anymore. Therefore, you have been placed on my ignore list.

Take care!
According to your own scriptural argument, those verses mention that even the spirit of wickedness is quite aware of these things as well. We are in the generation of spiritual wickedness. This spirit claims to have knowledge. The spirit of those who claim to understand what other's cannot is a spirit of wickedness. All heretical doctrine was exposed as false, because God’s Word is for all the world to understand. That some do not is because Satan has deceived them. It is not because God has not revealed His Word to them. Even those in Christ, your elect, can still be deceived by Satan. Those who also have to change or "cut out" Scripture to prove a point, hardly have a God revelation.

This is the generation of spiritual wickedness. Meaning some will have spiritualized God’s Word and changed the truth into ungodliness. Any who claim good is evil, and evil is good, should be ignored as spiritual wickedness.
 
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