A Republican who cannot vote Mormon

[Panzerkamfwagen]

In addition to what SLCF noted, the President lacks a line-item veto and has to veto or sign legislation in toto. That means Congress can stick things the President might otherwise disagree with into popular bills (like a jobs plan or funding for defense) and the President has to sign the whole thing. The current lawsuit by states against the Health Care bill is an example of Federalism at work. The President can't legally declare war without the accent of and a vote by Congress.

The president can wage war without the consent of Congress.

 

[USincognito]

The President can't legally declare war without the accent of and a vote by Congress.

The president can wage war without the consent of Congress.

I chose the phrase I did for a reason.

 

[pdudgeon]

I guess that's one of the problems a party like the GOP faces, when its ideology and base are motivated so much by bigotry of all sorts. The Republican base won't support its own party's candidates if they're the wrong religion or race or sex or sexual orientation.

Not that I'm a fan of Mormonism. I suppose less votes for the GOP isn't a bad thing in the grand scheme of things.

i haven't read the whole thread yet, but so far I haven't seen anyone basing their vote (or their objection to the slate) on religious grounds.

speaking personally for a moment, if Romney winds up with the GOP nomination, then i'll do a write-in vote if permitted. Living and voting in Virginia as i do, that might not be possible. they kept my candidate out of the primary and allowed no write-in votes, so the same thing may happen in the general election. But that's their political decision to disenfranchise part of the electorate so that their candidate can win the nomination.

I answer to Christ first before i ever answer to a political party.

 

[MachZer0]

i haven't read the whole thread yet, but so far I haven't seen anyone basing their vote (or their objection to the slate) on religious grounds.

speaking personally for a moment, if Romney winds up with the GOP nomination, then i'll do a write-in vote if permitted. Living and voting in Virginia as i do, that might not be possible. they kept my candidate out of the primary and allowed no write-in votes, so the same thing may happen in the general election. But that's their political decision to disenfranchise part of the electorate so that their candidate can win the nomination.

I answer to Christ first before i ever answer to a political party.

Remember, you voting your conscience is considered by some to be bigotry. Those same people then tell you how you should think and act which is to think and act the same way they do. That's not bigotry however because after all, they are obviously smarter and better than you and me. What a Topsy Turvy outlook some people have. Black surely has become white.

 

[Creech]

Oh yes please explain why any decent human being should prefer the US before 1960. Please keep telling us how segregation wasn't that bad and why we should all mourn for the loss of "White" America. Let us all cry tears for the loss of the systematic racism that defined the US before the sixties. It's hard to believe real, live people actually believe the things you do but here you are! Amazing.

Segregation wasn't around the entire country. I'm not saying segregation was good, but there were a lot of things better.

 

[acropolis]

Segregation wasn't around the entire country. I'm not saying segregation was good, but there were a lot of things better.

Please tell me you're like 14 years old and just defending institutionalized racism simply because it's what your parents believe or something. If you're an adult you should be ashamed of yourself. You won't be, but you should.

 

[UnamSanctam]

Please tell me you're like 14 years old and just defending institutionalized racism simply because it's what your parents believe or something. If you're an adult you should be ashamed of yourself. You won't be, but you should.

How did he defend segregation by saying it wasn't good?

 

[tulc]

Segregation wasn't around the entire country.

Again, seriously?
Racial segregation in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm not saying segregation was good,

I feel a "but" coming on!

but there were a lot of things better.

like?
tulc(is getting a "Poe" feeling from this post also)

 

[acropolis]

How did he defend segregation by saying it wasn't good?

Saying it 'wasn't that bad' is defending it. It was unambiguously bad and no one with any moral sense would defend it. There's also the issue of preferring pre-1960s USA in general which includes a lot more injustice than just segregation.

tulc(is getting a "Poe" feeling from this post also)

Yeah it's hard to tell, but I hear worse from real people on a regular basis thanks to living in the rural south so I can easily believe he's sincere.

 

[questftbest]

I have no problem voting for Romney. I read his book and I agree with almost every word. I don't care that he is Mormon. While I would prefer a fellow Catholic or Evangelical Protestant, I will support him because he believes in limited government and pro-life policies. I suggest you read his book No Apology.

 

[Creech]

Saying it 'wasn't that bad' is defending it. It was unambiguously bad and no one with any moral sense would defend it. There's also the issue of preferring pre-1960s USA in general which includes a lot more injustice than just segregation.



Yeah it's hard to tell, but I hear worse from real people on a regular basis thanks to living in the rural south so I can easily believe he's sincere.

I'm not defending any part of segregation, but I'm defending a lot of the moral values held during that time period. I will tell you right now that the segregation in the United States was EVIL AND WRONG. ALL INJUSTICE THAT OCCURRED WAS WRONG! But there is also a lot of cultural and moral problems in this country that are also WRONG. We need to look back at our history and rediscover the cultural morals and values that made our country great while also rejecting the injustices.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

The president can wage war without the consent of Congress.

No, the President does it anyway. Constitutionally, the President can only wage war if Congress declares war first.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

Remember, you voting your conscience is considered by some to be bigotry. Those same people then tell you how you should think and act which is to think and act the same way they do.

That's ironic, coming from you, considering any time someone mentions voting for Ron Paul because of their conscience, you jump on the "you're probably just like his stance on drugs" bandwagon and do everything you can to insult and belittle Ron Paul.

Is it only good for people to vote for their conscience if you approve of their choice?

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

I have no problem voting for Romney. I read his book and I agree with almost every word. I don't care that he is Mormon. While I would prefer a fellow Catholic or Evangelical Protestant, I will support him because he believes in limited government and pro-life policies. I suggest you read his book No Apology.

Sure, he believes in all that now, but it'll change if he wins the White House. He does that, you know.

 

[Maren]

Sure, he believes in all that now, but it'll change if he wins the White House. He does that, you know.

Wow, never knew you were a psychic/prophet.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

Wow, never knew you were a psychic/prophet.

I'm not, I just pay attention

 

[Maren]

I'm not, I just pay attention

Oh, care to give examples of how he is any more of a flip-flopper than most politicians?

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

Oh, care to give examples of how he is any more of a flip-flopper than most politicians?

I don't remember saying he was more of a flip-flopper than most politicians.

 

[MachZer0]

That's ironic, coming from you, considering any time someone mentions voting for Ron Paul because of their conscience, you jump on the "you're probably just like his stance on drugs" bandwagon and do everything you can to insult and belittle Ron Paul.

Is it only good for people to vote for their conscience if you approve of their choice?

That's a misrepresentation of what I've said.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

That's a misrepresentation of what I've said.

No, it's not, but it's okay. I already know it's not possible for you to admit when you're wrong