A Republican who cannot vote Mormon

[Chris81]

Sure, he believes in all that now, but it'll change if he wins the White House. He does that, you know.

Yeah, I am a bit uncomfortable with his pro-war stances. I think he is only doing that to appeal to the neocons. I wouldn't mind if he flip-flopped on his defense strategies.

I think whoever is elected president will have to come to the realization that we need to make some cuts to our military budget and the Afghan war needs to come to a close.

 

[MachZer0]

No, it's not, but it's okay. I already know it's not possible for you to admit when you're wrong

You're free to prove it's not a misrepresentation, but I won't be holding my breath

 

[pdudgeon]

Remember, you voting your conscience is considered by some to be bigotry. Those same people then tell you how you should think and act which is to think and act the same way they do. That's not bigotry however because after all, they are obviously smarter and better than you and me. What a Topsy Turvy outlook some people have. Black surely has become white.

LOL, well it won't be the first time that has happened, nor i'm sure will it be the last.

 

[DaisyDay]

Sure, he believes in all that now, but it'll change if he wins the White House. He does that, you know.

Everyone with any intelligence and conscience does that, for better or for worse, as no one is going to know all the contingencies going in.

Cheney might have had he run and won.

 

[PraiseToAslan]

Well, yeah, but I kinda see his point, tbh.
I'd rather vote for an openly non-Christian (a Mormon in this case) who had values that corrosponded with a Christian view, than a nominally Christian who don't.

Agreed.

A number of the early US Presidents were deists, others Unitarian.....see Religious affiliations of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[DaisyDay]

Really? No debate, no constructive discussion, just accusations of racism. Nice job.

Mourning the passing of a fantasy of "White America" - I think that's what the accusation is based on. I see the same thing (that the fantasy is racist), but America has always been multiracial. The Spanish have been here for centuries and the Native Americans before that. Afro-Americans and Caribbeans have also been here quite a long while. The Chinese are more recent, the Koreans more recent still, but here long before 1960.

Why in the world did you pick 1960 as some special year for immigration.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

Everyone with any intelligence and conscience does that, for better or for worse, as no one is going to know all the contingencies going in.

I think you're missing my point. I'm not referring to changing your mind based on new information, I'm talking about flat out lying and flipping from position to position to suit your audience.

Sure, every politician does that...but everyone with a conscience? Hardly.

 

[UnamSanctam]

Saying it 'wasn't that bad' is defending it. It was unambiguously bad and no one with any moral sense would defend it.

1: Did he say "it wasn't that bad"? I must've missed that
2: So saying: "Stalin wasn't as bad as Hitler" is defending Stalinism?

There's also the issue of preferring pre-1960s USA in general which includes a lot more injustice than just segregation.

Oh, here we go. Infanticide wasn't legal, homophilia wasn't "the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]", therefore it was stuck in the dark ages of barbarism.

 

[Eternally Optimistic]

If people can't vote for Romney b/c of his religion that is there personal choice, but they ought not call themselves Republican. The GOP is not a WASP party, nor a WASP and conservative Catholic party; the party is united in a philosophy and general ideology which is for any American. Mormons are probably the single most loyal group of Republicans. If Romney's Mormonism is the reason you can not vote for him you aren't Republican.

 

[rockytopva]

If Romney's Mormonism is the reason you can not vote for him you aren't Republican.

I have voted every election in my life Republican. I feel that Mormonism is a cult rather than a part of Christianity. Therefore I cannot vote for Romney.

 

[AtheistVet]

. I feel that Mormonism is a cult rather than a part of Christianity.

What's the defining difference?

 

[Roseheart]

What's the defining difference?

A cult is a group that calls itself Christian but rejects one of the fundamental teachings of Christianity i.e. the deity of Christ.

 

[tulc]

uhmmmm...sorry but the truth is being unwilling to vote for a candidate because they're members of the LDS, is a legitimate reason to not support a candidate. Now you or I may not agree with it but then it's not our vote, it's theirs. We all have reasons (not always based on something others may agree with) for the things we like/dislike but they're OUR reasons.
tulc(has reasons and doesn't begrudge others for having theirs)

 

[MachZer0]

If people can't vote for Romney b/c of his religion that is there personal choice, but they ought not call themselves Republican. The GOP is not a WASP party, nor a WASP and conservative Catholic party; the party is united in a philosophy and general ideology which is for any American. Mormons are probably the single most loyal group of Republicans. If Romney's Mormonism is the reason you can not vote for him you aren't Republican.

What makes you a Republican is your voter registration, not your ideology

 

[AtheistVet]

What makes you a Republican is your voter registration, not your ideology

Well, that puts to rest the term RINO.

 

[rockytopva]

What's the defining difference?

Cults can usually be identified by the skewed translation or use of scripture and usually begin with a charismatic leader who claims that all the other denominations of Christianity are wrong, and that only he is right, and backs this up with 'new' scripture, either in the form of a new, 'better' interpretation of the Bible (usually skewed and badly translated to back up the cult ideas) or by introducing completely new writings to back up the cult ideas. Therefore both the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses can be classed a cults as each use a skewed form of Bible, each was started by a charismatic leader, each believes that all other Christian denominations are wrong, (the JWs regarding them as the work of Satan) and each using their own scripture to back up claims (such as the new World Translation of the Bible, and the Book of Mormon).

 

[AtheistVet]

Wouldn't Jesus fit that classification back in the day?

 

[Eternally Optimistic]

uhmmmm...sorry but the truth is being unwilling to vote for a candidate because they're members of the LDS, is a legitimate reason to not support a candidate. Now you or I may not agree with it but then it's not our vote, it's theirs. We all have reasons (not always based on something others may agree with) for the things we like/dislike but they're OUR reasons.
tulc(has reasons and doesn't begrudge others for having theirs)

indeed it is as legitimate a personal reason as any, but it can't be legitimated on GOP principles, in fact it is quite contrary to them.

 

[MachZer0]

Wouldn't Jesus fit that classification back in the day?

Are you suggesting that Jesus skewed Scripture?

 

[AtheistVet]

Are you suggesting that Jesus skewed Scripture?

He certainly radically changed how people looked at it, didn't he?