A Question

GodsGrace101 said:

If I was at my computer, I'd answer that.Maybe tomorrow.
I'm protestant, btw.

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Oh I see, it's betrayal not prejudice. That's a nice promotion.

dreadnought said:

Paul and Peter didn't think women should teach men. Do you believe that, too?

I'm not Catholic, but I don't like the idea of married priests in the Catholic Church. That's the one thing that made the Catholic Church special.

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PS .I think it's fine for women to teach.
I was stating what the cc believes.

Saint Steven said:

Oh I see, it's betrayal not prejudice. That's a nice promotion.

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You may think girls are too emotional...
But you're very sharp,,,you're ok after all.
I think...

GodsGrace101 said:

Interesting.
It's supposed to make themcevoted to God by not having family problems.
But some became priests as a job.
Sorry, can't write too much on here.

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That would be your conclusion, that "it's supposed to make them devoted to God by not having family problems." I believe the celibate state has more to offer than that.

dreadnought said:

That would be your conclusion, that "it's supposed to make them devoted to God by not having family problems." I believe the celibate state has more to offer than that.

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Wouldn't that be the main reason?
If one is celibate by choice there are other reasons....
But is it a real choice for priests?

GodsGrace101 said:

Wouldn't that be the main reason?
If one is celibate by choice there are other reasons....
But is it a real choice for priests?

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I believe celibacy allows us to see more clearly.

dreadnought said:

I believe celibacy allows us to see more clearly.

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Yes. You can think your own thoughts,,,
Not affected by moods of another person,,,

GodsGrace101 said:

Yes. You can think your own thoughts,,,
Not affected by moods of another person,,,

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Not distracted by the attraction of the opposite sex.

dreadnought said:

Not distracted by the attraction of the opposite sex.

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Yes. Except in rare cases where there's a true emotional attraction.

GodsGrace101 said:

Yes. Except in rare cases where there's a true emotional attraction.

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Yes, even a celibate would have an emotional attraction, it would seem to me.

dreadnought said:

Yes, even a celibate would have an emotional attraction, it would seem to me.

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Last reply to this.....2 am here,
Too much emphasis is placed on the physical thses days and not on commitment, thus the high divorce rate, and undesireability of marriage for the young generation.

GodsGrace101 said:

You may think girls are too emotional...
But you're very sharp,,,you're ok after all.
I think...

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Quit flirting with me before I tell my wife. lol

And I never said girls were TOO emotional.

GodsGrace101 said:

Last reply to this.....2 am here,
Too much emphasis is placed on the physical thses days and not on commitment, thus the high divorce rate, and undesireability of marriage for the young generation.

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2 am? I can't make it past 9 pm.

Unofficial Reverand Alex said:

Will you kids settle down? Don't make me separate you two!

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What God has put together let no man put us under. lol

Unofficial Reverand Alex said:

Only a small percentage of Muslims are terrorists, so we shouldn't see Islam as evil.

Only a smaller percentage of Catholics abuse children, but we should see the Catholic Church as evil?

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What we are talking about first and foremost when we discern the merits of Islam or Catholicism are the merits of their teaching. The teachings are central. Obedience to the teachings that one purportedly believes in speaks to the character of the individual. The character of the religion however is defined by what is written.
Terrorism can be honestly be argued to be a tenet of the Islamic faith. It is a religion of jihad, and jihad in its original and most fundamental form is violent, holy war. The fact that the highest percentage of Muslims reject that makes them good people, from our pluralistic point of view, but does not necessarily male them good Muslims when it comes to loyalty to a faith that often ought not merit loyalty for some of its tenets.

Catholic priests who abuse are never even close to acting within the faith as taught. Sexual abuse of children is a complete rejection of anything that Catholicism has ever taught. This is not even arguable. Any criticism of Catholic sexual ethics is always, always, always that the teaching is too moralistic and not libertine enough.

There is more to a faith than the teaching however. There is also the institutional church and the administration. For Islam, this would necessitate an understanding of the role of Saudi oil money and the radicalization of the message in mosques globally.
And in Catholicism it would necessitate understanding the global cover up of heinous abuse by the top echelons of the church.

To conclude, the premise of the argument is wrong. Only political correctness is what precludes forces in the West from seeing the evil that is in Islam. Even if this political correctness does not extend to Catholicism or Christians in general, the evil would be to turn away our gaze from the abuse that has, and is taking place. Just because politically correct people are involved in the cover-up of the glaring problems of Islam, that does not make the same kind of cover-up and excuses for heinous sex crimes in the Catholic Church any less evil.

We need to do better than Rotherham. As Jesus might say, would be better to be thrown into the sea with a millstone around your neck that to dismiss what is happening to these children as if there are more worthy goals.

Unofficial Reverand Alex said:

Only a small percentage of Muslims are terrorists, so we shouldn't see Islam as evil.

Only a smaller percentage of Catholics abuse children, but we should see the Catholic Church as evil?

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Any rekigion, system that draws people away from the jesus in the bible, will lead people to hell.. That's pretty darn evil to me.. A bunch of very kid muslims who never hurt a fly or saida cuss word, week end up in hell because they were led astray by other nice muslims

com7fy8 said:

If Islam denies that Jesus Christ is our Lord and the One who suffered and died for us and then rose from the dead, then it is evil.

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Very true. So many people caught up in false religions that may appear benign, but they ultimately lead to hell, so are ultimately evil.

com7fy8 said:

I do not claim to know if the number of supposedly Muslim child abusers of this sort is greater than that of abusers claiming to be Catholic. And, like I said, I do not know if this is a more or less universal practice and officially accepted by most people who claim Islam.

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My understanding was that the Muslims who practice this barbarism mutilate women of all ages, not only girls (although girls are probably easier prey). While I don't think FGM is universally practiced in Islam, I don't think it's universally condemned as it should be, and as it is everywhere else.

com7fy8 said:

But I see it is possible that if Muslims in great numbers practice this, they might outnumber those abusers claiming to be Catholic.

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I'd argue the Muslims are the greater abusers, as for some sects, this is part of their religion, and the physical damage is permanent. At least for the Catholic child abusers, it's accepted that child abuse is wicked, even if the punishment and penalties for the abusers is not adequate.

GodsGrace101 said:

I always loved JS's preaching and went to see him at Madison Square Garden back in the 80's. I think a couple of times if I remember right. It was like going to a Christian party and I was a pretty new Christian.

I was very disappointed when the scandal broke out. Didn't Jesus say to do what they say not what they do?
Mathew 23:3

But I believe that was different. Adults, consentual,,,still wrong for HIM but with children it's downright EVIL.

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Hi Fran and you are correct but few are they that can see it because they are not fluent in the Word of YHW Hfor being lazy. They also become indignant when ahy attempt to point it out.