A Question

[JacksBratt]

Only a small percentage of Muslims are terrorists, so we shouldn't see Islam as evil.

Only a smaller percentage of Catholics abuse children, but we should see the Catholic Church as evil?

I don't know if it is all evil. I do know that it is very different than Christianity.
I have no trouble with anyone having the freedom of any religion...
I do have trouble with anyone harming anyone for any reason. Unless it is sufficient force for self defense of self or someone else.
I also have trouble with people of one mind set, moving to another country and trying to change their new country to the ways of their original country that they left.

 

[com7fy8]

At least for the Catholic child abusers, it's accepted that child abuse is wicked,

This is a very simple thing that I did not think of > they would not be covering up for it if it was considered to be ok and acceptable.

 

[GodsGrace101]

2 am? I can't make it past 9 pm.

It takes a lot of practice!

 

[GodsGrace101]

Quit flirting with me before I tell my wife. lol

And I never said girls were TOO emotional.

I won't tell my husband if you won't tell your wife!
Deal.

And, OK, maybe there's a difference between emotional and TOO emotional?

We'll give you a pass this time...

 

[GodsGrace101]

What we are talking about first and foremost when we discern the merits of Islam or Catholicism are the merits of their teaching. The teachings are central. Obedience to the teachings that one purportedly believes in speaks to the character of the individual. The character of the religion however is defined by what is written.
Terrorism can be honestly be argued to be a tenet of the Islamic faith. It is a religion of jihad, and jihad in its original and most fundamental form is violent, holy war. The fact that the highest percentage of Muslims reject that makes them good people, from our pluralistic point of view, but does not necessarily male them good Muslims when it comes to loyalty to a faith that often ought not merit loyalty for some of its tenets.

Catholic priests who abuse are never even close to acting within the faith as taught. Sexual abuse of children is a complete rejection of anything that Catholicism has ever taught. This is not even arguable. Any criticism of Catholic sexual ethics is always, always, always that the teaching is too moralistic and not libertine enough.

There is more to a faith than the teaching however. There is also the institutional church and the administration. For Islam, this would necessitate an understanding of the role of Saudi oil money and the radicalization of the message in mosques globally.
And in Catholicism it would necessitate understanding the global cover up of heinous abuse by the top echelons of the church.

To conclude, the premise of the argument is wrong. Only political correctness is what precludes forces in the West from seeing the evil that is in Islam. Even if this political correctness does not extend to Catholicism or Christians in general, the evil would be to turn away our gaze from the abuse that has, and is taking place. Just because politically correct people are involved in the cover-up of the glaring problems of Islam, that does not make the same kind of cover-up and excuses for heinous sex crimes in the Catholic Church any less evil.

We need to do better than Rotherham. As Jesus might say, would be better to be thrown into the sea with a millstone around your neck that to dismiss what is happening to these children as if there are more worthy goals.

Who's Rotherham?

 

[GodsGrace101]

Hi Fran and you are correct but few are they that can see it because they are not fluent in the Word of YHW Hfor being lazy. They also become indignant when ahy attempt to point it out.

Bill !
Good to see you here.
I'm going to have to follow you!!
You're looking like a rocker still...
But a Christian one now.
Blessings!

 

[SolomonVII]

Who's Rotherham?

In a sentence, Rotherham is the rape and prostitution of about 1000 girls in the little city of Rotherham in England by Pakistani gangs of Muslim men-with the full complicity of British police, press, politicians and priests- because anybody who do could do something about it would not. They were afraid to speak out lest they be labeled racists.
Like the Catholic church situation, it is ongoing. Rogue reporters that do speak out of what is happening still are the ones who are arrested.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/12/sexual-abuse-scandal-telford/

 

[SolomonVII]

This is a very simple thing that I did not think of > they would not be covering up for it if it was considered to be ok and acceptable.

For the bishops and cardinals, and people throughout the church capable of getting justice for the children, it was merely a matter of priorities. Their priority was not the integrity of the children, but the good name of the church.
Of course, the cover up of this makes them at least as morally culpable as the lechers sexually abusing young boys and girls, all in the name of the Holy Spirit.

 

[GodsGrace101]

In a sentence, Rotherham is the rape and prostitution of about 1000 girls in the little city of Rotherham in England by Pakistani gangs of Muslim men-with the full complicity of British police, press, politicians and priests- because anybody who do could do something about it would not. They were afraid to speak out lest they be labeled racists.
Like the Catholic church situation, it is ongoing. Rogue reporters that do speak out of what is happening still are the ones who are arrested.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/12/sexual-abuse-scandal-telford/

I read the article.
It reminded me of No Go Zones in London.
All evil requires to succeed
Is for good to do nothing.

The primary reason for a government is to protect it's citizens.

Will we ever become civilized?

 

[OSAS 101]

Who's Rotherham?

child abuse scandal left unchecked for at least 20 years

 

[GodsGrace101]

child abuse scandal left unchecked for at least 20 years

It's horrifying.
And some doubt the existence of God and satan.

 

[dreadnought]

It takes a lot of practice!

If you could learn how to stay up a few hours later, you'd have the same hours as we do here in the USA.

 

[SolomonVII]

I read the article.
It reminded me of No Go Zones in London.
All evil requires to succeed
Is for good to do nothing.

The primary reason for a government is to protect it's citizens.

Will we ever become civilized?

With both the bishops and with the British establishment, it is not just that the 'good' people were doing nothing. The 'good' people in both cases were actively enabling the evil by running interference with any one who was trying to fight the evil.
I think it is Daniel Pipes that lists the four 'P's involved in this. The Politicians, the Press, the Police and the Priests.
Catholics can only be grimly satisfied that the Press no longer consider the Catholic Church to be among the classes that are to be protected by political correctness.
These are Catholic children being spiritually destroyed by this evil.

 

[Blade]

Wow those two are not even the same. Catholics... as one said....cant they be wrong about Mary but right about Jesus? So if ANYONE believes Jesus is the way .. came in the flesh the only way to the Father are saved. Now some SIN sorry does not void that in any way or we are ALL lost. For the word says we all have sin if we say we dont we deceive our selfs and the truth is not in us.

So lol one sin is not worse then the other to GOD. NO SIN enters heaven. A LIE to GOD is just as bad.. He HATES SIN. We like Him LOVE what HE loves and HATE what He does. And Christ already died for ALL. And HE freely forgives.. we like Him want all to repent and come to Him. Not to condemn judge.. He does not.. for what did what the Father asked and died for the worlds sins.

So a group of people that do not believe in Christ that do something evil is not even the same as some Christian that sins. WE measure sin.. as if a LIE is ..who cares vs this child thing or anything else we as man think is some how worse. IN this world there is a price..to GOD He already paid the price for ALL SINS! The worst sin you can think of .. HE DIED FOR that person. HE already forgave. He told us to spread the GOOD NEWS! Some of us will not.. we still demand they be held accountable and be punished.

NOT talking about those that will not repent. And this THING with kids.. why are you limiting it to Catholics? Shall we talk about ALL the CHURCHES in the USA ALONE that have this sin?

You dont see this as GOD does. My dad use to beat me.. you know.. with a board call me names.. you know like your what 13 or so.. the day before XMAS says "your going to be a bum all our life"..that was nothing..

Well one day at Church this woman that prayed 4+ hours a day.. says to me "you have to ask your dad to forgive you".. that REALLY made me cry.. ME ask HIM? I was blind then.. so one night watching TV you know the 3+one channels. I look up its 8:30pm. I look over to my dad on my left and say.. dad will you forgive me. He looks back and says.. yes.. will you forgive me. Yes... so the next day I call Jean and say.. I did it. She says.. was it about 8:30? I said.. YES how did you know? She said.. the lord told me to pray for you right then.

DO YOU SEE? As my dad later in life (step dad had 6 kids before he was my dad at the age of 3 for me. NONE of them ever wanted anything to do with him. He was VERY mean) well as I said later in life as bone cancer was eating him up. Says to me.. out of all my kids.. I feel closer to you. By the grace of my Father.. I just forgave him...others would not.

Do you see? Why I asked him to forgive me that did nothing wrong? God wanted his heart.. I became what? God wanted to just love and forgive him...as long as YOU see the sin 1st... we become all things.. meaning If I have to get durty.. become wrong when I am freely right.. praise GOD GLORY TO JESUS! See the heart.. see the person.. be it ONE group or another that believe in a false God.

Think of the worst person you can.. HE CAME for them becuase He loved them. LOVE YOUR ENEMY is the SAME love CHRIST loves you. Do you LOVE that person that did awful things to kids or just lies? Your NOT over looking the sin...to fall into the hands of GODS wrath...He told us.. He judged them already and they NEVER sin against you. Your NOT their god. People that do not repent.. have FAITH GOD will do what will be done.. TO CHANGE THEIR HEART! WE demand PUNISHMENT.. So He came and died for them.. paid the price THEY had coming.. I SEE what you see.. and KNOW about this sin.. what a PASTOR can do. I know to some degree what can happen to fall away from a GOD that loves you o much and .. WOW no one no matter what SIN they have done.. deserves that

 

[GodsGrace101]

Wow those two are not even the same. Catholics... as one said....cant they be wrong about Mary but right about Jesus? So if ANYONE believes Jesus is the way .. came in the flesh the only way to the Father are saved. Now some SIN sorry does not void that in any way or we are ALL lost. For the word says we all have sin if we say we dont we deceive our selfs and the truth is not in us.

So lol one sin is not worse then the other to GOD. NO SIN enters heaven. A LIE to GOD is just as bad.. He HATES SIN. We like Him LOVE what HE loves and HATE what He does. And Christ already died for ALL. And HE freely forgives.. we like Him want all to repent and come to Him. Not to condemn judge.. He does not.. for what did what the Father asked and died for the worlds sins.

So a group of people that do not believe in Christ that do something evil is not even the same as some Christian that sins. WE measure sin.. as if a LIE is ..who cares vs this child thing or anything else we as man think is some how worse. IN this world there is a price..to GOD He already paid the price for ALL SINS! The worst sin you can think of .. HE DIED FOR that person. HE already forgave. He told us to spread the GOOD NEWS! Some of us will not.. we still demand they be held accountable and be punished.

NOT talking about those that will not repent. And this THING with kids.. why are you limiting it to Catholics? Shall we talk about ALL the CHURCHES in the USA ALONE that have this sin?

You dont see this as GOD does. My dad use to beat me.. you know.. with a board call me names.. you know like your what 13 or so.. the day before XMAS says "your going to be a bum all our life"..that was nothing..

Well one day at Church this woman that prayed 4+ hours a day.. says to me "you have to ask your dad to forgive you".. that REALLY made me cry.. ME ask HIM? I was blind then.. so one night watching TV you know the 3+one channels. I look up its 8:30pm. I look over to my dad on my left and say.. dad will you forgive me. He looks back and says.. yes.. will you forgive me. Yes... so the next day I call Jean and say.. I did it. She says.. was it about 8:30? I said.. YES how did you know? She said.. the lord told me to pray for you right then.

DO YOU SEE? As my dad later in life (step dad had 6 kids before he was my dad at the age of 3 for me. NONE of them ever wanted anything to do with him. He was VERY mean) well as I said later in life as bone cancer was eating him up. Says to me.. out of all my kids.. I feel closer to you. By the grace of my Father.. I just forgave him...others would not.

Do you see? Why I asked him to forgive me that did nothing wrong? God wanted his heart.. I became what? God wanted to just love and forgive him...as long as YOU see the sin 1st... we become all things.. meaning If I have to get durty.. become wrong when I am freely right.. praise GOD GLORY TO JESUS! See the heart.. see the person.. be it ONE group or another that believe in a false God.

Think of the worst person you can.. HE CAME for them becuase He loved them. LOVE YOUR ENEMY is the SAME love CHRIST loves you. Do you LOVE that person that did awful things to kids or just lies? Your NOT over looking the sin...to fall into the hands of GODS wrath...He told us.. He judged them already and they NEVER sin against you. Your NOT their god. People that do not repent.. have FAITH GOD will do what will be done.. TO CHANGE THEIR HEART! WE demand PUNISHMENT.. So He came and died for them.. paid the price THEY had coming.. I SEE what you see.. and KNOW about this sin.. what a PASTOR can do. I know to some degree what can happen to fall away from a GOD that loves you o much and .. WOW no one no matter what SIN they have done.. deserves that

Quite a post Blade.
I'm sure everyone here agrees with you but I don't believe we can agree that all sin is the same.

This is true for God. To God everything is sin.
To us, harming a person because of their religion, or harming a child because of their vulnerability, is not the same.

We DO need to stand up and say that it's wrong and do what VERY LITTLE we can since we really have no power and it seems those that do really don't do much to help anyone.
I think of the genocide in Rwanda about 20 yrs ago. (20??)
No one lifted a finger --- I DO wonder what the Nato forces are for, or the U.N. for that matter. They're a waste of money and time.

You wrote a lot and put different ideas out there, I hope I've understood you.

 

[Chinchilla]

Only a small percentage of Muslims are terrorists, so we shouldn't see Islam as evil.

Only a smaller percentage of Catholics abuse children, but we should see the Catholic Church as evil?

Even if 10% of muslims were radicals ( so actually true muslims following the Quran , not the 90% not even bothering to read it ) then 10% of 1B of people is still 100M , it's 3 times the amount of people living in my country for example , can't really allow them to do what they want .

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

Even if 10% of muslims were radicals ( so actually true muslims following the Quran , not the 90% not even bothering to read it ) then 10% of 1B of people is still 100M , it's 3 times the amount of people living in my country for example , can't really allow them to do what they want .

Even if it was just a single Muslim who was a radical, isn't the purpose of the law to protect people? It should be the legality of their actions which determine whether or not they are allowed to do what they want.

 

[Chinchilla]

Even if it was just a single Muslim who was a radical, isn't the purpose of the law to protect people? It should be the legality of their actions which determine whether or not they are allowed to do what they want.

One person would be considered lunatic or out of mind and simply locked up not even considered to be a terrorist but multiple people pushing the same agenda is the problem .

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Only a small percentage of Muslims are terrorists, so we shouldn't see Islam as evil.

Only a smaller percentage of Catholics abuse children, but we should see the Catholic Church as evil?

Should we Canadians view Americans as clone's of Trump; Should Americans view us as little Trudeaus?

Evil takes many form, but one should not paint everyone with the sins of a few.

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

One person would be considered lunatic or out of mind and simply locked up not even considered to be a terrorist but multiple people pushing the same agenda is the problem .

I think if the bulk of the alleged terrorist cases were properly investigated, the trail would lead back to the secret services, who have an agenda to keep the sheep in the pen via fear.