A question for gays

[Chaplain David]

ROFL

I have only 1 flash of brilliance a week...I'm fresh out

Oh I have many flashes I just can't remember them.

LOL

 

[Chaplain David]

Some people mentioned that other types of fornication aught to be given air time. Here is a new thread on "The Sin of Fornication (premarital sex & adultery only)

http://christianforums.com/t6699504-the-sin-of-fornication-premarital-sex-and-adultery-only.html

 

[Gwenyfur]

Oh I have many flashes I just can't remember them.

LOL

ROFLMBO

 

[Chaplain David]

ROFLMBO

I have not yet completed my acronyms for dummies course so I have to ask you what ROFLMBO means

 

[Gwenyfur]

Rolling on the floor laughing my butt off

 

[BAFRIEND]

You are willing to look in the mirroe at yourself and then sit in judgements and hand down condemnation?
Impressive.
You aren't pregnant outside marriage or getting divorced, that's great. You have no other sin either? At all?

I have my sin.

but I do not go around saying that it is acceptable nor do I try to defend it as not a sin.

Jesus and the Apostles required it of Christians to discern and judge the lifestyles of others. Jesus told his followers not to give unto dogs that what is holy and Paul tells us not to associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but who is sexually immoral.

If Paul actually meant all gay people, which is not at all clear, then he was wrong about this.

What some are demanding others here do is accept their opinions and lifestyles above Jesus, the Apostles, and Paul.
Should I believe people here- or St Paul who was specifically chosen and trusted by Jesus to build the foundation of Christianity ?

Kind of a difficult decision, right ?

 

[Gwenyfur]

Just so we're crystal here:

DO NOT post personal remarks about other forum members

IF you want to reference their post THEN QUOTE IT!

 

[BAFRIEND]

Some people mentioned that other types of fornication aught to be given air time. Here is a new thread on "The Sin of Fornication (premarital sex & adultery only)

And this is precisely a point I have made before. When people defend sin by comparing it to other sins and the relativity of sinful action they are pretty much admitting what they are doing is wrong.

"I lie but you told a bigger lie or you lie too."

And another argument that I have always made is that homosexual adultery is indeed a graver sin than heterosexual adultery as heterosexuals in fact can make the relationship sacramental through marriage and be forgiven. But homosexual who continue to practice adultery can never make the relationship sacramental. Therefore, while heterosexual sex is a sin in context, homosexual sex is always objectively sinful.

 

[Chaplain David]

Just so we're crystal here:

DO NOT post personal remarks about other forum members

IF you want to reference their post THEN QUOTE IT!

I agree.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

These sins should be brought up although you might get some argument about divorce being a sin. PreMarital Sex, Adultery, Lusting, Porno Addiction and other sin should be brought out into the light, our various views shared and scripture and other learned references used to help illuminate the issues. Sin has a way of sneaking in and hiding sometimes. Other times it can slowly become a part of a person's life a little at a time.

I wonder what forum should be used?

as Gwenyfur stated earlier, CP&E seems to have these threads pop up from time to time. I've seen nearly every topic you've mentioned in there so far.

 

[Ohioprof]

I can partially agree with that. I do not think the concept of people being strictly homosexual was around, but there are various references to same-sex behavior. The reason for that is explained in my previous post.

The Bible translations that are inaccurate are the ones that say "homosexuals." That's not what the text ever said. That's a modern day mistranslation.

Whether the Bible ever refers to sex between two people of the same sex is a different question. But the Bible in its original languages does not say "homosexuals."

 

[Ohioprof]

These sins should be brought up although you might get some argument about divorce being a sin. PreMarital Sex, Adultery, Lusting, Porno Addiction and other sin should be brought out into the light, our various views shared and scripture and other learned references used to help illuminate the issues. Sin has a way of sneaking in and hiding sometimes. Other times it can slowly become a part of a person's life a little at a time.

I wonder what forum should be used?

Why would divorce not be considered a sin, if one is holding strictly to what the Bible says? Jesus himself denounced divorce, according to the Bible. He never said anything about homosexuality, as far as anyone knows.

I personally do not regard either divorce or homosexuality as sins, because I do not base my view of sin on the Bible necessarily, or at least not on the Bible alone. I think we have to look around and use common sense in figuring out what is sin and what is not. But for those who do adhere strictly to what they think the Bible says, it's certainly clearer about divorce than it is about homosexuality. Jesus himself denounced divorce.

 

[Ohioprof]

I have my sin.

but I do not go around saying that it is acceptable nor do I try to defend it as not a sin.

Jesus and the Apostles required it of Christians to discern and judge the lifestyles of others. Jesus told his followers not to give unto dogs that what is holy and Paul tells us not to associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but who is sexually immoral.



What some are demanding others here do is accept their opinions and lifestyles above Jesus, the Apostles, and Paul.
Should I believe people here- or St Paul who was specifically chosen and trusted by Jesus to build the foundation of Christianity ?

Kind of a difficult decision, right ?

Paul could easily have been wrong. He was only human, after all, a human who wrote letters.

 

[Ohioprof]

And this is precisely a point I have made before. When people defend sin by comparing it to other sins and the relativity of sinful action they are pretty much admitting what they are doing is wrong.

"I lie but you told a bigger lie or you lie too."

And another argument that I have always made is that homosexual adultery is indeed a graver sin than heterosexual adultery as heterosexuals in fact can make the relationship sacramental through marriage and be forgiven. But homosexual who continue to practice adultery can never make the relationship sacramental. Therefore, while heterosexual sex is a sin in context, homosexual sex is always objectively sinful.

You are certainly entitled to hold this opinion based on your particular interpretation of the Bible. I do not share your opinion.

It's not clear in the Bible that "homosexuality" is a sin. The Bible never condemns same-sex marriage. The Bible is silent on this matter. Therefore, to argue that sex within a same-sex marriage is "sin" is a giant leap of interpretation of the Bible. It's reading one's own beliefs into the Bible's silence on the question of same-sex marriage.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

The apostle Paul listed homosexuals among "the unrighteous" who would not inherit the kingdom of God

(1 Cor 6:9), Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders,

(Rom 1:26-27) Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

How can you reconcile homosexual behavior when scripture clearly condemns it and with serious consequences?

have you ever read the whole passage?

Paul says "because of this" but he doesn't really make it clear because of WHAT... at least not to my reading

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

The Bible translations that are inaccurate are the ones that say "homosexuals." That's not what the text ever said. That's a modern day mistranslation.

Whether the Bible ever refers to sex between two people of the same sex is a different question. But the Bible in its original languages does not say "homosexuals."

i think the corinthians passage is the only one that is translated in that way.

I never use it as reference because of that.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Why would divorce not be considered a sin, if one is holding strictly to what the Bible says? Jesus himself denounced divorce, according to the Bible. He never said anything about homosexuality, as far as anyone knows.

I personally do not regard either divorce or homosexuality as sins, because I do not base my view of sin on the Bible necessarily, or at least not on the Bible alone. I think we have to look around and use common sense in figuring out what is sin and what is not. But for those who do adhere strictly to what they think the Bible says, it's certainly clearer about divorce than it is about homosexuality. Jesus himself denounced divorce.

Hi again,

Your opinion on divorce, as well as Jesus' stance on it, are irrelevant due to your conflicting opinion of Jesus Himself. How do you decide that He denounces divorce, yet then also claim that He didn't say most of the things attributed him?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Paul could easily have been wrong. He was only human, after all, a human who wrote letters.

That depends on whether you believe that the scripture is divinely inspired, which you previously have stated that you do not. Christianity requires faith, and one part of that faith is understanding and trusting in what is written as truth.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

That depends on whether you believe that the scripture is divinely inspired, which you previously have stated that you do not. Christianity requires faith, and one part of that faith is understanding and trusting in what is written as truth.

Paul's writings are true because Paul said they were true?