A question about Job.

[brinny]

me too!!! AND i can't help but get a kick out of how honest Moses was with God....i mean like just WHO ELSE was he gonna complain to?

Priceless

 

[brinny]

...here's a stickler.....Moses "feared the Lord" and yet Moses complained honestly to God. He was perfectly transparent with God, saying exactly what was on his heart.

How do ya' reconcile that Moses "feared the Lord" and complained to God, and in rather emphatic words?

 

[brinny]

i just accidentally ran across this on Youtube and wasn't gonna listen at first cuz i'm not reeeeal familiar with Derek Prince, but i decided to listen anyway.

As i listened, he mentioned this verse, that i've NEVER noticed before:

"And wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times, and strength of salvation: the fear of the LORD is his treasure." ~Isaiah 33:6

and right around 23:39 he mentions the book of Job:

"And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding." ~Job 28:28

This is one of the most profound sermons on the "fear of the Lord" that i've ever heard.

Derek Prince - The Lords Treasure - The Fear of the Lord - YouTube

 

[Restoresmysoul]

...here's a stickler.....Moses "feared the Lord" and yet Moses complained honestly to God. He was perfectly transparent with God, saying exactly what was on his heart.

How do ya' reconcile that Moses "feared the Lord" and complained to God, and in rather emphatic words?

I dont know, i have done my share of complaining.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

"And wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times, and strength of salvation: the fear of the LORD is his treasure." ~Isaiah 33:6

and right around 23:39 he mentions the book of Job:

"And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding." ~Job 28:28

I was thinking about Job 28:28 earlier. Isaiah 33:6 is an edifying scripture.

 

[brinny]

i had never noticed Isaiah 33:6 before.....that scripture alone is an entire sermon....what a treasure it is...

 

[Strong in Him]

After God restores Job, what happens to his wife and his three friends?

I don't know what happened to his wife, but God told Eliphaz that he was angry with him and his two friends for "not speaking what is right" (Job 42:7). They were ordered to make a sacrifice and Job would pray for them.

 

[BobRyan]

After God restores Job, what happens to his wife and his three friends?

Bigger question- what is going on in the first two chapters.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny View Post
After God restores Job, what happens to his wife and his three friends?

I don't know what happened to his wife, but God told Eliphaz that he was angry with him and his two friends for "not speaking what is right" (Job 42:7). They were ordered to make a sacrifice and Job would pray for them.

Thank you for your response. Job had more children later, didn't he? Who might the mother of these later children been? Any thoughts on that?

Thank you kindly.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny View Post
After God restores Job, what happens to his wife and his three friends?

Bigger question- what is going on in the first two chapters.

Would you care to elaborate?

Thank you kindly.

 

[BobRyan]

Would you care to elaborate?

Thank you kindly.

How is it that Job gets into this mess to start with?

What is going on there?

He was doing pretty good in the first 3 or 4 verses.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny View Post
Would you care to elaborate?

Thank you kindly.

How is it that Job gets into this mess to start with?

What is going on there?

He was doing pretty good in the first 3 or 4 verses.

in Christ,

Bob

which mess are you referring to?

Thank you kindly.

 

[BobRyan]

In the first two chapters Job loses everything - does he not?

I call that a mess. Even Job declares himself to be in misery. Yet at the start - he is doing just fine.

The loss of everything is in fact a "proposal" Satan makes to God - and why does he do that? What is the event that brings that about?

 

[brinny]

Here's the stickler for me......at the start, yes, we read how God describes Job. Then catastrophes begin happening one after the other...yes, that might be considered a huge collapsing of dominoes, one after the other, and/or a mess.....

you asked earlier how is it that Job gets into this mess to start with....

do you have any thoughts on that?

Thank you kindly.

 

[BobRyan]

1. God starts the ball rolling by convening some sort of conference in both Job 1 and 2.
2. There are beings present -and one of them is Satan...?? (What??!!)
3. God then asks Satan if he has taken notice of Job and that Job is righteous to the point of being outstanding as compared to the rest of the entire planet.
4. Satan admits he has noticed this fact - but argues that Job is being bribed.
5. Satan's argument before the entire assembly is that God has put a wall a fence, a hedge of protection around Job and Satan cannot get beyond it to do Job damage so all can see what Job would be like in abject misery.

This raise all sorts of questions.

1. Who are the "others"?
2. Why is anyone giving the devil the time of day?
3. Why does not God just say "I am God - I get to do whatever I want or say whatever I want so be quite devil".

The story is meant to tells us a little something about why things happen the way they do -- why we are here after 6000 years, what this is all about.

It is all about free will. And it involves not only the people of this earth - but beings some place else - that we never see or come in contact with - settling issues at a universal level among themselves - with God as King over the entire Universe. No one there is God. Yet God is not ruling as a tyrant or as if He cared little for the consensus of the group.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[brinny]

1. God starts the ball rolling by convening some sort of conference in both Job 1 and 2.
2. There are beings present -and one of them is Satan...?? (What??!!)
3. God then asks Satan if he has taken notice of Job and that Job is righteous to the point of being outstanding as compared to the rest of the entire planet.
4. Satan admits he has noticed this fact - but argues that Job is being bribed.
5. Satan's argument before the entire assembly is that God has put a wall a fence, a hedge of protection around Job and Satan cannot get beyond it to do Job damage so all can see what Job would be like in abject misery.

This raise all sorts of questions.

1. Who are the "others"?
2. Why is anyone giving the devil the time of day?
3. Why does not God just say "I am God - I get to do whatever I want or say whatever I want so be quite devil".

The story is meant to tells us a little something about why things happen the way they do -- why we are here after 6000 years, what this is all about.

It is all about free will. And it involves not only the people of this earth - but beings some place else - that we never see or come in contact with - settling issues at a universal level among themselves - with God as King over the entire Universe. No one there is God. Yet God is not ruling as a tyrant or as if He cared little for the consensus of the group.

in Christ,

Bob

Interesting thoughts.....i could not help but think that it was the accuser himself, Satan that was "accusing" Job of not reeeeally loving God nor giving a hoot about Him, and if God's protection was removed and Job was not as blessed as he was, that by golly, Job would......do what?

Then as i read it, it seemed that this whole scenario was a testimony to all of heaven (unbeknownst to Job) that God's servant, Job, DID really love God, regardless of what was taken or what was done to him.

And so it begins.....

 

[Restoresmysoul]

This is what i get from Jobs story.

James 5:11 Indeed we count them blessed who endure. You have heard of the perseverance of Job and seen the end intended by the Lord—that the Lord is very compassionate and merciful.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Derek Prince - The Lords Treasure - The Fear of the Lord - YouTube

Good sermon brinny, thank you. I watched 30 minutes of it, but i need to get offline for a bit, i'll watch more later.

 

[brinny]

Thank you kindly. I pray the rest of the video is edifying also when you get a chance to finish watching it.

 

[BobRyan]

Interesting thoughts.....i could not help but think that it was the accuser himself, Satan that was "accusing" Job of not reeeeally loving God nor giving a hoot about Him, and if God's protection was removed and Job was not as blessed as he was, that by golly, Job would......do what?

Then as i read it, it seemed that this whole scenario was a testimony to all of heaven (unbeknownst to Job) that God's servant, Job, DID really love God, regardless of what was taken or what was done to him.

And so it begins.....

Indeed. God declares that the Gospel solution actually works - and Job is an example of a life that was changed. Satan claims the Gospel is nothing but a bribe... fake,... smoke and mirrors ... God demonstrates in the life of Job that the transformation goes all the way to the bone, to the soul.

And that has a little something to do with John 14:1-4 "In my Father's house ARE many mansions" (not I will finally build some after a while) but then he says "I GO that I may prepare a PLACE for you".

As he prepared a place for Job - where it is demonstrated in the life of Job that he was indeed - born-again.

In Dan 7:22
22 until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom.