A question about Job.

[peterandrewj]

After God restores Job, what happens to his wife and his three friends?

Sorry, am late to the discussion.

Your question is answered in the last chapter, concerning his friends and his wife.

Job 42: 7 And it was so, that after the Lord had spoken these words unto Job, the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.

8 Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job.

9 So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went, and did according as the Lord commanded them: the Lord also accepted Job.

10 And the Lord turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before.

11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.

(It goes on to say Job had more children, seven sons and three daughers)

 

[brinny]

Thank you brinny for that sermon which shows that a man who fears God cannot be self righteous. One cannot fear God if one is fooling oneself. Fear comes with knowledge of the Most high.

The righteousness that Job had, moreover, was not his own righteousness because we can see when he goes through the trial of losing the light and presence of God, a trial that is only experience d by righteous men, he is left with only his flesh which cannot see the cause of the dark night that all men must pass through for complete union with the Divine, and he cries out with the perceived injustice of God seemingly deserting him and indeed is not submitting at that point.

But that does not distract from the point of the narrative which is meant for those who are also going through the furnace and have started from a point of holiness.

Thank you kindly for sharing your thoughts.

 

[brinny]

Sorry, am late to the discussion.

Your question is answered in the last chapter, concerning his friends and his wife.

Job 42: 7 And it was so, that after the Lord had spoken these words unto Job, the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.

8 Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job.

9 So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went, and did according as the Lord commanded them: the Lord also accepted Job.

10 And the Lord turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before.

11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.

(It goes on to say Job had more children, seven sons and three daughters)

His wife was not mentioned. She apparently left the scene when she told Job to curse God and die, which indicates that she cared neither for Job nor God, and was being used of Satan to prompt Job to do the very thing that Satan was aiming for: a righteous man who feared God and eschewed evil to curse God before all of heaven and earth. These were apparently her parting words to Job as he sat suffering near death on an ash and/or dung heap.

 

[brinny]

Job endured a long, dark night, with only the silence of God. The lyrics in this song apply (especially in the beginning- it's a miracle that Job didn't lose his mind). Job was not aware that there was a purpose in it all. He wasn't aware of why he was in the furnace of affliction and that there would surely be an end to it. In addition how crushing it was that his friends became as enemies and added more injury and then there was a shattering blow from his wife, who told him to curse God and die. On top of that, in all his suffering, he was met only with the silence of God.

"Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction." ~Isaiah 48:10

"But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold." ~Job 23:10

Andrew Peterson - The Silence Of God - YouTube

"The Silence of God"

t's enough to drive a man crazy, it'll break a man's faith
It's enough to make him wonder, if he's ever been sane
When he's bleating for comfort from Thy staff and Thy rod
And the Heaven's only answer is the silence of God

It'll shake a man's timbers when he loses his heart
When he has to remember what broke him apart
This yoke may be easy but this burden is not
When the crying fields are frozen by the silence of God

And if a man has got to listen to the voices of the mob
Who are reeling in the throes of all the happiness they've got
When they tell you all their troubles
Have been nailed up to that cross
Then what about the times when even followers get lost?
'Cause we all get lost sometimes

There's a statue of Jesus on a monastery knoll
In the hills of Kentucky, all quiet and cold
And He's kneeling in the garden, as silent as a Stone
All His friends are sleeping and He's weeping all alone

And the man of all sorrows, he never forgot
What sorrow is carried by the hearts that he bought
So when the questions dissolve into the silence of God
The aching may remain but the breaking does not
The aching may remain but the breaking does not
In the holy, lonesome echo of the silence of God
~Andrew Peterson​

 

[brinny]

Job did not know that all that he was enduring, all the "ruins" of all that he knew, and all ten graves of his children, and the utterly piercing rejection and stab in the heart from his wife, as she, in essence, cursed God and Job, and disdainfully told Job to do the same, along with the utter wasting away of his festering sore and worm covered body as he sat in the ashes of his inexplicably ruined life, was to be used in a way he was unaware of....to bring GLORY to God and to shut the mouth of the enemy. As Job endured, and in God's own inexplicable timing, God raised Job triumphant from the ashes.

GLORIOUS RUINS - HILLSONG LIVE (Lyric Video) - YouTube

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Job did not know that all that he was enduring, all the "ruins" of all that he knew, and all ten graves of his children, and the utterly piercing rejection and stab in the heart from his wife, as she, in essence, cursed God and Job, and disdainfully told Job to do the same, along with the utter wasting away of his festering sore and worm covered body as he sat in the ashes of his inexplicably ruined life, was to be used in a way he was unaware of....to bring GLORY to God and to shut the mouth of the enemy.
As Job endured, and in God's own inexplicable timing, God raised Job triumphant from the ashes.

Not sure if this has been brought up yet or not, but it appears to be similar to this passage in Isaiah concerning Jesus, the suffering servent. Just as Yahweh and Job shut up the mouths of his supposed "friends", so did the risen Jesus shut the mouth of his enemies.

Isaiah 53:
3 He was despised and forsaken of men, A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.…
4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted.…
5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.…

Rom 3:19
And we have known that as many things as the law saith, to those in the law it doth speak,
that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may come under judgment to God;







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[brinny]

They ARE similar, aren't they? Remarkable verses! An astute and profound insight and comparison there Steve, thank you for sharing that....

and by the way, yer hand is hilarious

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Not sure if this has been brought up yet or not, but it appears to be similar to this passage in Isaiah concerning Jesus, the suffering servent. Just as Yahweh and Job shut up the mouths of his supposed "friends", so did the risen Jesus shut the mouth of his enemies.

Rom 3:19
And we have known that as many things as the law saith, to those in the law it doth speak,
that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may come under judgment to God;







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They ARE similar, aren't they? Remarkable verses! An astute and profound insight and comparison there Steve, thank you for sharing that....

and by the way, yer hand is hilarious

I was laughing at it so much when I first saw it, and especially how it went with that verse in Romans, it took me awhile before I could even post it

Btw, have ya had a chance to check out dis Job commentary? Tell me what ya tink.......

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/Job/Job.htm
JOB

I never paid much attention to Job. I knew that he was an overcomer. I knew that he was tested and tried and proven to the utmost extremity and I knew that he passed the test. So I praised God for Job. I eulogized his faith and patience, and that was about as far as it went. But some time ago the Spirit of God dropped a seed of revelation into my heart. The revelatory word came and suddenly I wasn't sure whether there ever was a man named Job. It is believed that the book of Job is the most ancient of the inspired writings we have come to know as the Bible.
It predates the first five books of the Bible, the books of Moses, and its exact origin is a mystery. We do not know who wrote the book of Job: no information is given us on this point either in the book itself or elsewhere.

The book of Job just appeared on the scene, it came out of antiquity, it emerged from the mists of obscurity, and has always been a part of human history. It was just there! It was there before Moses. It was there, perhaps, before Abraham. We cannot tell when Job lived. The scene of the book of Job is laid in Arabia in the remote Patriarchal period.

The story begins simply: There was a man.
Since a parable (II Sam. 12:1) and a history (I Sam. 25:2) begin with this same simple phrase, the style does not indicate whether Job was meant to be fact or allegory.


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[brinny]

Interesting commentary, and thought provoking. Thank you for sharing it.

....what came to mind is this:

"And Jabez was more honourable than his brethren: and his mother called his name Jabez, saying, Because I bare him with sorrow. And Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, Oh that thou wouldest bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that thine hand might be with me, and that thou wouldest keep me from evil, that it may not grieve me! And God granted him that which he requested." ~1 Chronicles 4:9-10

Jabez is barely mentioned in the Bible. The information we have about him is remote and obscure. Even less is written about him than about Job.

Was Jabez an allegory?

 

[brinny]

it is interesting how many times the "fear of the Lord" is mentioned throughout the Bible....and it is associated with something very endearing to God...i saw a book online called The Fear of the Lord: Discover the Key to Intimately Knowing God by John Bevere

It seems that there is a HUGE misunderstanding of what the "fear of the Lord" means...from reading a bit of highlights about the book, it seems that the author skillfully leads us in a deeper understanding of what fearing the Lord means, and that it's not as we assume, but is the basis to more intimacy with a holy God, and access to His Father-heart.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

it is interesting how many times the "fear of the Lord" is mentioned throughout the Bible....and it is associated with something very endearing to God...i saw a book online called The Fear of the Lord: Discover the Key to Intimately Knowing God by John Bevere

It seems that there is a HUGE misunderstanding of what the "fear of the Lord" means...from reading a bit of highlights about the book, it seems that the author skillfully leads us in a deeper understanding of what fearing the Lord means, and that it's not as we assume, but is the basis to more intimacy with a holy God, and access to His Father-heart.

This scripture seems interesting.

Exodus 19:20 And Moses said to the people, “Do not fear; for God has come to test you, and that His fear may be before you, so that you may not sin.” 21 So the people stood afar off, but Moses drew near the thick darkness where God was.

 

[brinny]

THAT is intriguing, isn't it? It seems from the verses, that there were TWO kinds of fears demonstrated here?

Is it possible that the above verses are speaking of two kinds of fear?

 

[Restoresmysoul]

THAT is intriguing, isn't it? It seems from the verses, that there were TWO kinds of fears demonstrated here?

Is it possible that the above verses are speaking of two kinds of fear?

I dont know, maybe LLoJ can clue us in on that.

 

[brinny]

LOL! i'm just wondering if Moses feared the Lord, and if the Israelites who hid in fear from God had the same kind of fear of God that Moses had, cuz Moses went right smack into the dark cloud kinda' "fearlessly", didn't he?

There seems to be a stark contrast between them, sorta', doesn't there?

 

[Restoresmysoul]

LOL! i'm just wondering if Moses feared the Lord, and if the Israelites who hid in fear from God had the same kind of fear of God that Moses had, cuz Moses went right smack into the dark cloud kinda' "fearlessly", didn't he?

There seems to be a stark contrast between them, sorta', doesn't there?

Yes and the thing that i remember most about Moses is how he didn't murmur in the wilderness like they did, but He instead walked by faith, not sight, and He had no desire to return to Egypt.



Exodus 16:3 And the children of Israel said to them, “Oh, that we had died by the hand of the Lord in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the pots of meat and when we ate bread to the full! For you have brought us out into this wilderness to kill this whole assembly with hunger.”

Proverbs 17:1 Better is a dry morsel with quietness,
Than a house full of feasting[a] with strife.

3 The refining pot is for silver and the furnace for gold,
But the Lord tests the hearts.

Proverbs 15:16 Better to have little, with fear for the Lord,
than to have great treasure and inner turmoil.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

If i may, i would like to expound a bit and share my testimony. Pauls words concerning the Israelites who followed Moses really helped my overcome depression, they were like a building block. I read them and i feared my murmuring, so i prayed and followed Pauls words the best i could. To me Egypt is our worldly life here on earth, the life where we seek pleasure rather than the promised land (the Kingdom). I think Moses is a good example of walking by faith, not sight, and seeking the kingdom, not pleasure.



1 Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.

 

[brinny]

You brought up a HUGELY interesting point....yes, they WERE grumbling, weren't they? AND do you know what Moses did once when he had HAD IT with their grumbling li'l silly-ness-es?

 

[Restoresmysoul]

You brought up a HUGELY interesting point....yes, they WERE grumbling, weren't they? AND do you know what Moses did once when he had HAD IT with their grumbling li'l silly-ness-es?

What did he do?

 

[brinny]

hahaaaaa when i first read it i almost fell off da chair laughing....he went to God and this is what He said:

"And Moses said unto the Lord, Wherefore hast thou afflicted thy servant? and wherefore have I not found favour in thy sight, that thou layest the burden of all this people upon me? Have I conceived all this people? have I begotten them, that thou shouldest say unto me, Carry them in thy bosom, as a nursing father beareth the sucking child, unto the land which thou swarest unto their fathers?" ~Numbers 11:11-12

He's basically sayin' to God, why have you cursed me with these miserable people, are ya' tryin' to kill me? I didn't give birth to these people!!!!

 

[Restoresmysoul]

hahaaaaa when i first read it i almost fell off da chair laughing....he went to God and this is what He said:

"And Moses said unto the Lord, Wherefore hast thou afflicted thy servant? and wherefore have I not found favour in thy sight, that thou layest the burden of all this people upon me? Have I conceived all this people? have I begotten them, that thou shouldest say unto me, Carry them in thy bosom, as a nursing father beareth the sucking child, unto the land which thou swarest unto their fathers?" ~Numbers 11:11-12

He's basically sayin' to God, why have you cursed me with these miserable people, are ya' tryin' to kill me? I didn't give birth to these people!!!!

lol, yes, i see the humor in it. I love it when the scriptures do that.