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well yes, but would'ja stay with me on this particular part of "distresses" regarding men of God who were sooo distressed they wanted to die, amigo, and noted and quite gifted scholar of God's Word?
 
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brinny said:
well yes, but would'ja stay with me on this particular part of "distresses" regarding men of God who were sooo distressed they wanted to die, amigo, and noted and quite gifted scholar of God's Word?
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I actually prefer the writings of the gifted scholar, Preston Eby


Kingdom Bible Studies Table of Contents

Kindgdom Bible Studies Job

Another clue to the mystery of Job is found in Job 1:6.
"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them."
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With what divine genius does the Holy Spirit on the inspired pages of God's Word portray the blessed scene of that first earthly son of God, in the image and likeness of God, abiding in the lovely, fragrant, luscious Garden in Eden. There was a wonderful Presence that walked in the Garden in the cool of the day, and the man presented himself there before the Presence of the Lord and walked and talked with God. We know for a certainty that there was a presentation before the Lord, for as soon as man sinned he heard the Voice of the Lord God walking in the Garden and rather than joyfully going forth to meet Him Adam and his wife "hid themselves from the Presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the Garden." God was in the Garden. Man was in the Garden.
What sweet, holy communion passed between them in that blessed hour of man's innocence! But no sooner does Adam, the son of God (Lk. 3:38), present himself before the Lord than suddenly and mysteriously the serpent appears on the scene! There is a man that is perfect, but innocent — and the amazing thing is that in the presence of God and that man, there is a devil.

Can you not see how it is, my beloved, that when the sons of God present themselves before the Lord, Satan comes also among them? This very same experience happened to none other than our blessed Lord Jesus — the Pattern Son. Did you notice how strangely Matthew and Mark speak of Christ's temptation?
"And immediately the Spirit drove Him into the wilderness to be tempted of the Devil" (Mk. 1:2; Mat. 4:1).
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What a strange statement! Jesus had just presented Himself before the Father at Jordan, and the Father witnessed of Him before all:
"This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased."
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Just as God declared Job to be a perfect man, so He declared His Son to be well pleasing to Him in every way. Then immediately the Holy Spirit of God drives the sinless Son of God into the wilderness to be tempted by Satan, the arch enemy of all righteousness, a murderer from the beginning, and the father of lies! Ah, but it was necessary for the Son of God to be proven, to be made strong, to overcome in these realms before proceeding on into His glorious ministry and the agony and death of the cross...........

"And the Lord turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends" (Job 42:10). While Job's friends were three, there was actually a fourth — Elihu. Elihu's speech fills chapters thirty-two through thirty-seven. Elihu has a far juster and more spiritual conception of the problem than Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar because he has an infinitely higher conception of God. God does not class him with Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar; but he is still a dogmatist, and his eloquent discourse is marred by self-assertiveness (soulishness).
Yahweh's judgment of Elihu is that
he darkened counsel by words (Job 38:2),
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the very charge that Elihu had brought against Job (Job 34:35; 35:16). Even Elihu's lofty discourse abounds with accusations against Job. Therefore, Job's antagonists are four in number. This is most meaningful.


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in the midst of his misery.....

was he possibly...

looking des-per-ate-ly...

for God's....

embrace?

A song, a lamentation, a cry from the depths of his very-crushed-beyond-recognition soul, that could've been his own in that very dark, desolate place devoid of the embrace he sought with all that was in him?

As we search the pages of history, those pages recorded in heaven, is there a familiar ring to it?

Hillsong United-Oceans (Where Feet May Fail) Lyric Video - YouTube
 
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bmjackson said:
I can't agree with this brother regarding perfection. The whole point of the wager between God and Satan was whether Job would sin or not. He did not, until God's presence left him. Then he fell into sin and he required answers from God.
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The wager was whether Job would curse God or not.
 
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The wager was whether Job would curse God or not.
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After all that happened to Job, did he curse GOD? Of course not.

Kindgdom Bible Studies Job
JOB

Job 2:9
Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast to your integrity? Curse God and die!”
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Jhn 17:23
I in them and Thou in Me, that they may be perfected into one,
and that the world may know that Thou didst send Me, and didst love them as Thou didst love Me.

Rev 3:2
Be watchful! and strengthen the things! which remain, that are ready to die,
for I have not found thy works perfect before God.


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that is a key question, amigo. And yes, the question is.....did Job sin during any of these transpirings? <------ (hahaaa i dunno if this is actually a word...to clarify, it means "things that transpired")
 
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The more i read about Job, the more he, and other men of God become endearing to me and I can get a better picture of their actual journey with God. I see, in their obedience, in each step they take, glimpses of God rejoicing over them with singing. I also see the necessity of prayer for each other, and for those out in the trenches risking ev'rything for the God they love. And getting back to Job.....recently i have heard several preachers and teachers pick him apart, immune it seems to the horror he was experiencing, and to make it worse, Job being "in the dark" about why he was suffering, without a shred of indication why it was happening. Yet, he NEVER cursed God, nor rejected Him nor turned his back on God. He never sinned during any of it. he merely, in his agonies, questioned why God allowed all of this to assault him in too many ways to count. He KNEW that God controlled EVERYTHING. He was questioning the One Who was able to control all that was continually coming against him.

My question to the preachers and teachers who pick apart Job is, "what would you do if you were in Job's place.?"

As a believer, we learn...to ALWAYS pray for our brothers and sisters, especially in their troubles, suffering, sickness. And if one has ever suffered, and/or been in the fiery furnace of affliction, one NEVER wishes suffering or hardship or inexplicable, inconsolable pain on another, including our enemies. We never ever put the sufferer under a microscope and pick them to pieces. Compassion comes into play, and a mooooving of one's heart and mind and spirit on their behalf.

We are the "Body" of Christ. Jesus Christ meant it when He defined us as the bonafide Body of Christ. We cannot be "disconnected" from a brother or sister going through inexplicable agonies. Job wasn't able to explain why this was happening. So his friends filled in the blanks with accusations, badgering Job in the midst of his travails of unbelieveable suffering, to admit his sins. Not ONE of them put theirself in Job's place or even offered "prayer" or any consolation or response that meant Job well. It reminds me of a phrase i heard a while back (or was it a book?) It was called "Why Do Christians Shoot Their Wounded?".
 
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our brother Michael Collum posted this in another thread.....i'm posting it here because it zero's in on something rare, a "glimpse", an empathy into what Job must've been experiencing when his "night" fell, and pieces shattered everywhere.

I'm calling it "Job's Lamentation" (although the title of it is "Job"):

Cindy Morgan - Job - YouTube
Job

Where were you
When my night fell
Pieces shattered everywhere
If I have loved You with my whole heart
Time will tell
Time will tell

Were the stars moving
Across the ocean
Did the world turn away
For just a glance
And leave me here in these ashes
I will weep and I will dance

All I have is Yours
All these ashes and these sores
All that I am living for
I will follow you to shore

Well, I hear your voice
And it sounds angry
I have questioned You time and again
So I'll be here in the silence
eTil I can walk, I will stand

All I have is Yours
All these ashes and these sores
All that I'm living for
I will follow You
I will follow You
I will follow You to shore.

~Cindy Morgan​
 
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"Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction." ~Isaiah 48:10​

EXPOSITION BY C. H. SPURGEON:
JOB 23; 24.

Always remember, dear Friends, that one of the great lessons of the Book of Job is this—that we may never judge a
man’s character by his condition. The best of men may have the most of suffering and of poverty, while the worst of men
may prosper in everything. Do not imagine because a man suddenly becomes very poor or a great sufferer, that therefore
he must be a great sinner—otherwise, you will often condemn the innocent, and you will, at the same time, be guilty of
flattering the wicked. Job’s friends had cruelly told him that he must be a hypocrite, or else he would not have lost his
property and have been smitten with such a remarkable sickness. So he appeals to God against their unrighteous judgment.
Job 23:1, 2. Then Job answered and said, Even today is my complaint bitter: my stroke is heavier than my groaning.
“Although my groaning is heavy, yet it is not so burdensome as my griefs might warrant.”
3. Oh that I knew where I might find Him! That I might come even to His seat! “To His Judgment Seat, that I might
plead my cause and vindicate my character even there.”
4-6. I would order my cause before Him, and fill my mouth with arguments. I would know the words which He
would answer me, and understand what He would say unto me. Will He plead against me with His great power? “Being
the great God, will He silence me by a display of His Omnipotence? Oh, no! He is too just to do that.”

http://www.spurgeongems.org/vols46-48/chs2732.pdf
 
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Job 23:2 I have not departed from the commandment of His lips;
I have treasured the words of His mouth
More than my necessary food.

Mt 4:4 But He answered and said, &#8220;It is written, &#8216;Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.



Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written:&#8220;For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.&#8221;[c]
37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


2 Co 12:9 And He has said to me, &#8220;My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.&#8221; Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast [a]about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. 10 Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with [b]insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ&#8217;s sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.
 
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how similar the verses are, as is the meaning. A bless-ed study in itself and edifying and a light post shining to give more understanding of Job, and the Book his life is recorded in.

Thank you.
 
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Peter denied Christ 3 times by not wanting to share in his suffering.

Paul begged god 3 times to take away his thorn

Jesus prayed 3 times that God take his cup of suffering away




Jesus told Peter 3 times to feed his sheep. Man shall not live by bread alone, the word teaches us to endure hardship.


34 Jesus said to him, &#8220;Assuredly, I say to you that this night, before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.&#8221;
35 Peter said to Him, &#8220;Even if I have to die with You, I will not deny You!&#8221;


6 Then Jesus came with them to a place called Gethsemane, and said to the disciples, &#8220;Sit here while I go and pray over there.&#8221; 37 And He took with Him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and He began to be sorrowful and deeply distressed. 38 Then He said to them, &#8220;My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death. Stay here and watch with Me.&#8221;
39 He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, &#8220;O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.&#8221;
40 Then He came to the disciples and found them sleeping, and said to Peter, &#8220;What! Could you not watch with Me one hour? 41 Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.&#8221;
42 Again, a second time, He went away and prayed, saying, &#8220;O My Father, if this cup cannot pass away from Me unless[e] I drink it, Your will be done.&#8221; 43 And He came and found them asleep again, for their eyes were heavy.
44 So He left them, went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. 45 Then He came to His disciples and said to them, &#8220;Are you still sleeping and resting? Behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of sinners. 46 Rise, let us be going. See, My betrayer is at hand.&#8221;
 
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Mt 26:38 Then He said to them, &#8220;My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death. Stay here and watch with Me.


Mt 24:42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour[f] your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

The Faithful Servant and the Evil Servant

45 &#8220;Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, &#8216;My master is delaying his coming,&#8217;[g] 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
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what i find interesting also, is that Peter cursed while denying Jesus, didn't he?
 
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&#8220;Are you still sleeping and resting? Behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of sinners. 46 Rise, let us be going. See, My betrayer is at hand.&#8221;

18 &#8220;Therefore hear the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.&#8221;


1 And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. 13 Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy. 14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.

5 &#8220;Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, &#8216;My master is delaying his coming,&#8217;[g] 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
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brinny said:
Care to elaborate?

Thank you kindly
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18 While he was still speaking, yet another messenger came and said, "Your sons and daughters were feasting and drinking wine at the oldest brother's house,
19 when suddenly a mighty wind swept in from the desert and struck the four corners of the house. It collapsed on them and they are dead, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!"
(NIV Job.1:18,19)
 
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