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A Problem With The Pre-Tribulational Rapture
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I challenged you that the above is meaningless and you finally admit that it is.
But then because I had the hyde to challenge you on posting jibberish, you then accuse me of being a suspicious person, you try to cover your wrong with yet another false accusation.
You should get with the right spirit.
Get away from that accusing spirit.
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And again false accusation, you said and for no good reason that I was a suspicious person, and I said you should get away from that accusing spirit, that's not sarcasm but Truth.
You keep insulting, accusing and wrongly using scripture at me and then you seem to be offended when I reply to your wrong spirited behaviour.
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1 Thessalonisns 5
14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
This scripture you posted does not say to insult. (small soul, your sarcasm)
It's one thing to post scripture, but it's another thing to beleive the scripture and do as it says, isn't it?
If you think I am unruly then you should post the quote of mine that you are referring to.
And if you think I'm feebleminded then why don't you comfort me like the scripture says to.
And if you think I'm weak then why dont you support me like this verse says to.
In other words why do you post scripture and then go against what that scripture says?
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I will tell you why, it's because you are using scripture to insult and accuse, which is obvious for a blind man to see, and some others here do that as well.
That is so bad.
Hate me, but do not wrongly post scripture using Gods Word to say things when it is you who is saying them.
God dosn't say I'm being sarcastic, when I'm not, and all the other insults and false accusations that you often wrongly use scripture to support you.
That is so bad.
Hate me, but do not wrongly post scripture using Gods Word to say things when it is you who is saying them.
God dosn't say I'm being sarcastic, when I'm not, and all the other insults and false accusations that you often wrongly use scripture to support you.
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A Brother In Christ
If you are going to post in tongues, you should interperit it, otherwise it's meaningless.
Jibber Jabber or plain english you can not understand....
???????
Is this plain english?
dkweriopr3girewih
you are suspecious person
Get away from that accusing spirit.
can we look at scripture ... without your sarcasim
You posted something that looked like false talking in tongues and I said you should interperit it, and in return you made out I don't understand plain english.
You called me a suspicious person for persuing you on this issue.
And now you say I'm sarcastic, you really should take my advice and get away from that accusing spirit.
You must like it there, but leave.
If you are going to post in tongues, you should interperit it, otherwise it's meaningless.
Jibber Jabber or plain english you can not understand....
???????
Is this plain english?
dkweriopr3girewih
you are suspecious person
Get away from that accusing spirit.
can we look at scripture ... without your sarcasim
You posted something that looked like false talking in tongues and I said you should interperit it, and in return you made out I don't understand plain english.
You called me a suspicious person for persuing you on this issue.
And now you say I'm sarcastic, you really should take my advice and get away from that accusing spirit.
You must like it there, but leave.
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A Brother In Christ
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And again false accusation, you said and for no good reason that I was a suspicious person, and I said you should get away from that accusing spirit, that's not sarcasm but Truth.
You keep insulting, accusing and wrongly using scripture at me and then you seem to be offended when I reply to your wrong spirited behaviour.
Lets look at scripture....
1 thes 5:14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly [not living christian life] , comfort the feebleminded [small souled/ overly emotional] support the weak [spiritually] and be longsuffering toward all men[believers].
one comment and you hold on to it forever....
I am looking at it truthfully or sarcasim
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You just don't see at all (blinded)
You say much wrong, and when you are not let off the hook as many let off, you accuse, wrongly use scripture against one, and insult, and then try to make out the opposite, that the other is the one doing this,
But if you care to go back through the posts you will see that you have been doing all this wicked and I have been defending, which is not right, I should be turning the other cheek as Jesus does.
I will do that one day, but for now I will hold the wrong doer accountable.
And you should be already aware that you are having to resort to more and more untruths as time goes on in keeping up your false allergations.
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A Brother In Christ
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since you do not comment so your word could be quoted
I will try the best I can.
what is listed of different types of believers .... problems
I did not state you were all of these: just one
Why do I not comfort you...?
God has sent the Holy Spirit to comfort us... jn 14:16
Believers are to live it out by spending time together[using spiritual gift] and studing Scripture together.... eph 3:16-20
Carnal believers attack spiritual believers.. Gal 4:29
Carnal believers .... can only understand milk... basic salvation message JC died for your sins.... 1 cor 2:9-3:3 Only those loving other believers can learn God's word... jn 13:34-35
I have been Patience as I want to look at scripture
I have been longsuffering as you attack my motives
I have been taking time with you away from my family so you can verbally attack me
I have ask tou to look at scriptures.... several times ...you have once which I enjoy even if we disagree.... but lets stay to the scriptures
lets treat one another in grace like Christ and start over....
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A Brother In Christ
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we are all called to study God word....
Dan 12:2,11-12 states that they get Eternal life 75 days after the 2nd coming!
We can be glorified at any moment 1 cor 15:52
1 cor 15:23-24 gives three different glorifications of believers
Who are the elders?
Lets look at the promises ....
rev 4:4 Around the throne were 24 thrones, and on the thrones[rev 3:21 promised] I saw 24 elders sitting, clothed in white robes [rev 3:5 promised] ; and they had crowns of gold on their heads. [1 thes 2:19, 2 tim 4:8, james 1:12, 1 peter 5:4, 1 cor 9:25]
Who are the elders not.....
not the 144,000... rev 7:11
not churbs ..... rev 4:7
Not OT saints.... rev 5:10 could not be a priest and King two different famlies Judah vs levi ... promised to be a nation of priests.. ex 19:6
Who are they 1 peter 2:9
God does not change but he does change how He deals with different people
antiChrist are here as they where there in John time....1 jn 2:22, 1jn 4:1-4, 2 jn 7
The beast is what will terrorize the world
The Great Trib will not start till the church is out of here with the Holy Spirit .... john 14:16-20, John 15:26, john 17:21-24, 2 thes 2:1-10, Rev 4:5
Can you deal with scripture.... please take it in context
love to discuss scripture
Dan 12:2,11-12 states that they get Eternal life 75 days after the 2nd coming!
We can be glorified at any moment 1 cor 15:52
1 cor 15:23-24 gives three different glorifications of believers
Who are the elders?
Lets look at the promises ....
rev 4:4 Around the throne were 24 thrones, and on the thrones[rev 3:21 promised] I saw 24 elders sitting, clothed in white robes [rev 3:5 promised] ; and they had crowns of gold on their heads. [1 thes 2:19, 2 tim 4:8, james 1:12, 1 peter 5:4, 1 cor 9:25]
Who are the elders not.....
not the 144,000... rev 7:11
not churbs ..... rev 4:7
Not OT saints.... rev 5:10 could not be a priest and King two different famlies Judah vs levi ... promised to be a nation of priests.. ex 19:6
Who are they 1 peter 2:9
God does not change but he does change how He deals with different people
antiChrist are here as they where there in John time....1 jn 2:22, 1jn 4:1-4, 2 jn 7
The beast is what will terrorize the world
The Great Trib will not start till the church is out of here with the Holy Spirit .... john 14:16-20, John 15:26, john 17:21-24, 2 thes 2:1-10, Rev 4:5
Can you deal with scripture.... please take it in context
love to discuss scripture
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Up to you, lie against me and I will confront you.
Not right but I will turn the other cheek in Gods good time.
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Just more hostility and insult, and you propably wonder why your posts don't get answered.
It's because you come across as arrogant and know it all.
I'm not interisted in discussing anything with you, but I will continue to put you in your right place.
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abic
You think you are righteous, but you talk ugly.
And as far as those scriptures go, I have never been in a discussion about them with you, but I do remember you saying to someone that they are not interisted in scriptures because they didn't answer you.
I'm betting they were not in a discussion with you on them either.
You could have a problem.
I'm being polite.
You think you are righteous, but you talk ugly.
And as far as those scriptures go, I have never been in a discussion about them with you, but I do remember you saying to someone that they are not interisted in scriptures because they didn't answer you.
I'm betting they were not in a discussion with you on them either.
You could have a problem.
I'm being polite.
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I only briefly glanced through your post but saw that at least one thing was not correct.
1 corinthians 15
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
There is nothing here that says that we can be glorified at any moment like you said, even if that is the case and is implied elsewhere in scripture, it is not said here.
It says at the last trump, not at any moment.
In a moment, at the last trump.
Not at any momnent.
You have a lot of trouble with english but it dosn't stop you from saying that I don't know plain english, or accusing when you don't even understand what is being said.
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A Brother In Christ
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thank you.... lets talk scripture
1 cor 15:51 we will be changed... How?
lets look at the context... 1 cor 15:35-50
talks about different bodies .... flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God
vs 53 corruptible must put on incorruption... Body... = glorification ? do you see this???
last trump of who? angels rev8?... or the Son of God.... 1 thes 4:16-18
who does the calling Christ or angels?
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1 corinthians 15
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
There is nothing here that says that we can be glorified at any moment like you said, even if that is the case and is implied elsewhere in scripture, it is not said here.
1 Cor 15:52 says in a moment (meaning quickly), not at any moment (which means at any time).
Which you did not address in your reply but talked of other things not mentioned.
Is it you think you know things others don't.
It is very kindergarten stuff that you say.
Or as you have said referring to someont else, milk and not meat.
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A Brother In Christ
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Yes now look at the Great Trib .... this is not quickly we have a different promise than OT saints Dan 12:2,11-12
75 days after the 2nd coming they get eternal life and glorified
We get eternal life when we believe .. 1 jn 5:11-14
We get glorfied as the firstfruit .. 1 cor 15:23-24 3 different groups of believers
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Yes, Christians are caught up to Christ in the clouds, and later after Christ sets foot on earth is the first resurrection, but I'm wondering why you are telling me this, I never asked you.
Why are you not telling a post tribber or other who won't agree with you.
You don't even know that I'm a pre tribber, do you?
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