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When we are changed we are like Jesus ... in perfect humanity in the flesh that is uncorruptible .... not God
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A Problem With The Pre-Tribulational Rapture
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A Brother In Christ
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1 cor 15:50 flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God...
This is where a glorified Christ shows up and explains His new fleshly body.
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones , as ye see me have...
no blood.... still as 1 thes 5:23 body, soul and spirit.... but the spirit is dominant after glorification as right now the soul is dominant
To say that Jesus Christ is only spirit .... defines you as a antichrist 2 jn 7
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zeke37
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I never said that He is only Spirit. He is God!!!! He was flesh for a little while, but He is not flesh now, because He is in heaven and Jesus is in heaven right? 1Cor15
it is not antiChrist to think that Jesus will come back but not in a flesh body....
He will come, but in a spiritual body....as He is in heaven today. Very physical as all dead and angels are, but not flesh, just as all angels and dead are not!
to say that Jesus is coming BACK in the flesh defies the whole chapter of 1Cor15, and much more....
and what defines you as an antiChrist would be if you say, Jesus DID NOT COME IN THE PAST as a man(first advent)....or in the flesh. That would be antiChrist...
not what I say, which is the truth...
you should be ashamed of that statement!!! How many times have we spoken of Christ's ministry....Of course I believe He came in the flesh...but that doesn't mean that I have to believe tat He is still in the flesh now? That is ludicrous(crazy even)
Christ will come again, and on that day, all flesh shall change to be like He is, which is not flesh because flesh cannot be in heaven. And Christ is in heaven right ABIC?
simple logic.
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zeke37
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Hi,
what you say in response to the scripture YOU posted, is a contradiction to the scripture.
if flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom, and Christ is the King, how can Christ be in the flesh anymore? changed or not, flesh cannot enter...
and for 100% sure, Christ is there in heaven, right ABIC? So, 100% Christ is not flesh now. Nor will He be flesh when He returns, but He shall be in His heavenly/celestial/spiritual body as 1Cor15 states...just like all in heaven are today.
an entity can be physical without being flesh, like the fallen angels which impregnated the adamic women. they were quite physical, right? and they were not flesh.
pray about it.
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big mouth nana
Oh PA-LEZZZZ don't feel sorry for me.
zeke37
but I truly do!
z said to me once "I don't read your posts, I never will and I will never answer them, honestly.
Some take truth with a grain of salt.
Would that be Gods spirit in them?
Oh PA-LEZZZZ don't feel sorry for me.
zeke37
but I truly do!
z said to me once "I don't read your posts, I never will and I will never answer them, honestly.
Some take truth with a grain of salt.
Would that be Gods spirit in them?
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HisdaughterJen
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1Jo 3:2Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
Our bodies will be raised and changed to be like His body. It will be a body built for eternity to live in the presence of God.
Our bodies will be raised and changed to be like His body. It will be a body built for eternity to live in the presence of God.
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A Brother In Christ
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John 20:24-29
Here Jesus is glorified and they touch His flesh
notice in John 20:17 tells them to touch not yet....
Amen
When this happens we in Flesh fly... different limitations than now! 1 thes 4:16-18
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A Brother In Christ
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so explain 1 thes 4:16-17
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OT saint are looking forward to getting eternal life 75 days after the 2nd coming ... Dan 12:2,11-12
NT saints can be change in a moment and is a mystery that God did not tell anyone till Paul... Eph 3:2,9
Mystery defined.. Romans 16:25-26, eph 3:9-10, col 1:26
Rapture is a mystery .... 1 cor 15:51-54 given only to the Church
Jews promised the Earth.. Matt 5:5
Church ...Gal 3:28.... Phil 3:20-21 promised the heavens
Part of Christ now... 1 cor 12:12-13
God wrath goes upon earth dwellers... Not himself
Romans 11:25 states another mystery of the blindness of Israel till the fulness of the gentiles.... connects with this!
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zeke37
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why would His wrath go on Himself? Why would you say not Himself???
His wrath is for all who fail the test of the antiChrist. Even Christians who fail the test.
if God is not mad at you, you could stand in His wrath and it would not harm you at all. And God does not send His wrath until the 144,000 are Gathered together on Mt Zion at the Last(7th) trump.
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A Brother In Christ
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Nice of you to comment so I cannot quote you....
please fix it so I can quote you..
please fix it so I can quote you..
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A Brother In Christ
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so explain 1 thes 4:16-17
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OT saint are looking forward to getting eternal life 75 days after the 2nd coming ... Dan 12:2,11-12
Saints are Saints....Christ went to all that were dead and offered the same oppertunity that we have. So the dead in Christ include the OT Prophets.
Yet deal with 2 peter 1:4, and heb 11:39-40, eph 2:11-12 .... scripture says different opportunities
Dainiel is not said to be raised 75 days after. Just that there is a blessing in waiting....
Daniel 12:2....summary... resurrection some to eternal life other to Judgement
Daniel 12:11 Judgement... 1290 days or Three and half years from the abomination of desolation... Dan 9:26-27, matt 24:15-20, 2 thes 2:4
Daniel 12:12 blessing ..eternal life 1335 days blessing comes ... glorification and eternal life which are 75 days after the 2nd coming
remember that I have said in the past that the length of time has been shortened according to Mar13. And the length that it was shortened to is told in Rev 9. 150 days. That is one of the reasons that it shall be like in the days of Noah.
Rev 8:12 is where time will be sped up form 24 hr day to 16 hr day Matt 24:22 tells of this!as well as Mark 13:20
Satan arrives at the 1/2 way point of the hour of temptation, that you assume is still 7 years cut in half. It is not that long anymore.
No still seven years with seasons
As in the flood of Noah, the waters prevailed 150 days...
The end time tribulation will be the same length of time.
So you are using
Matt 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the Ark.
wow... The world will do exactly this Till the Rapture... then the Beast will sign a peace treaty and sevn years later the 2nd coming .
But 1 thes 5:1 -2 Believer have no need to know this as the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night ... destruction and lost
And like in Daniel, the time is divided in two.
the first half (75 days) is ruled by the kings of the earth in the NWO system. Satan controls the events from the spiritual world but is still waring in heaven.
the second half (75 days) starts with Satan being cast from heaven to the earth to play act Jesus.
So you deny Daniel 70th week which is one week is 7 years... why prophesy of the first 69 weeks fulfilled... literally
if one is faithful to the true Jesus and waits the 75 days until He arrives, that would mean that the person is elect because they were not fooled by Satan's flood of lies.
there is your 75 days. it is the midst of the week.....it is when the church becomes apostate. There is no pre trib Gathering to Christ.
NT saints can be change in a moment and is a mystery that God did not tell anyone till Paul... Eph 3:2,9
the "at any moment" doctrine is false. that is not true. There is much prophesy still to go. Christ does not return till the 2nd Advent. the apostasy and the son of perdition must be revealed before the Gathering to Christ.
I will
OT saint are looking forward to getting eternal life 75 days after the 2nd coming ... Dan 12:2,11-12
Saints are Saints....Christ went to all that were dead and offered the same oppertunity that we have. So the dead in Christ include the OT Prophets.
Yet deal with 2 peter 1:4, and heb 11:39-40, eph 2:11-12 .... scripture says different opportunities
Dainiel is not said to be raised 75 days after. Just that there is a blessing in waiting....
Daniel 12:2....summary... resurrection some to eternal life other to Judgement
Daniel 12:11 Judgement... 1290 days or Three and half years from the abomination of desolation... Dan 9:26-27, matt 24:15-20, 2 thes 2:4
Daniel 12:12 blessing ..eternal life 1335 days blessing comes ... glorification and eternal life which are 75 days after the 2nd coming
remember that I have said in the past that the length of time has been shortened according to Mar13. And the length that it was shortened to is told in Rev 9. 150 days. That is one of the reasons that it shall be like in the days of Noah.
Rev 8:12 is where time will be sped up form 24 hr day to 16 hr day Matt 24:22 tells of this!as well as Mark 13:20
Satan arrives at the 1/2 way point of the hour of temptation, that you assume is still 7 years cut in half. It is not that long anymore.
No still seven years with seasons
As in the flood of Noah, the waters prevailed 150 days...
The end time tribulation will be the same length of time.
So you are using
Matt 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the Ark.
wow... The world will do exactly this Till the Rapture... then the Beast will sign a peace treaty and sevn years later the 2nd coming .
But 1 thes 5:1 -2 Believer have no need to know this as the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night ... destruction and lost
And like in Daniel, the time is divided in two.
the first half (75 days) is ruled by the kings of the earth in the NWO system. Satan controls the events from the spiritual world but is still waring in heaven.
the second half (75 days) starts with Satan being cast from heaven to the earth to play act Jesus.
So you deny Daniel 70th week which is one week is 7 years... why prophesy of the first 69 weeks fulfilled... literally
if one is faithful to the true Jesus and waits the 75 days until He arrives, that would mean that the person is elect because they were not fooled by Satan's flood of lies.
there is your 75 days. it is the midst of the week.....it is when the church becomes apostate. There is no pre trib Gathering to Christ.
NT saints can be change in a moment and is a mystery that God did not tell anyone till Paul... Eph 3:2,9
the "at any moment" doctrine is false. that is not true. There is much prophesy still to go. Christ does not return till the 2nd Advent. the apostasy and the son of perdition must be revealed before the Gathering to Christ.
Next prophecy ... the Rapture... Just as Noah God pulls out the saved and Judges the world...
the Saints that believe during the seven years ... get OT promises and if Killed rev 7:9,14 as servants not as ruler as We get to do... 1 cor 6:2-3, phil 2:9-11 where at the Great White throne... rev 20:11-15
the "mystery" of Eph3:9 is not pre trib rapture, but that the gentiles should be joint heirs.....defined in verse 6....receive the promises of God as the Israelites
Gal 3:28 where there is either Jew or Gentile
the Saints that believe during the seven years ... get OT promises and if Killed rev 7:9,14 as servants not as ruler as We get to do... 1 cor 6:2-3, phil 2:9-11 where at the Great White throne... rev 20:11-15
the "mystery" of Eph3:9 is not pre trib rapture, but that the gentiles should be joint heirs.....defined in verse 6....receive the promises of God as the Israelites
Gal 3:28 where there is either Jew or Gentile
1 cor 10:32 Jews, Gentiles , and the Church of God
people in the Church of God = church not Jew or Gentile
Mystery defined.. Romans 16:25-26, eph 3:9-10, col 1:26
wrong
Rom 16:25-26 is defined in verse 20. the elect shall bruise Satan under their feet. Not even close here ABIC.
Col1:26 is defined in verse 27...again the gentiles have the promise that was thought to be reserved for only the Jew. Christ.
Rapture is a mystery .... 1 cor 15:51-54 given only to the Church
the mystery is not the Gathering to Christ, but rather the fact that "we shalll not all die, but be changed" at the Last trump.
people in the Church of God = church not Jew or Gentile
Mystery defined.. Romans 16:25-26, eph 3:9-10, col 1:26
wrong
Rom 16:25-26 is defined in verse 20. the elect shall bruise Satan under their feet. Not even close here ABIC.
Col1:26 is defined in verse 27...again the gentiles have the promise that was thought to be reserved for only the Jew. Christ.
Rapture is a mystery .... 1 cor 15:51-54 given only to the Church
the mystery is not the Gathering to Christ, but rather the fact that "we shalll not all die, but be changed" at the Last trump.
OT saints knew that They could escape death and watch as Christ comes for the 2nd coming...
Jews promised the Earth.. Matt 5:5
meek does not represent the Jews, but ALL the overcomers. Maybe some will be Jewish!!!
Jews promised the Earth.. Matt 5:5
meek does not represent the Jews, but ALL the overcomers. Maybe some will be Jewish!!!
Eph 2:11-12 .... Gentile had no promise prior to the cross... Matt is prior at this point
Church ...Gal 3:28....
what I see here is that we are all the same in God's eyes....is that the right scripture you meant?
Eph 2:11-12 how close could a gentile get to God during Law.... and if they became a Jewish proceylte they could not go in the tabernacle or Temple but on the outside of its gates only
Phil 3:20-21 promised the heavens
well, we shall all have a body like His, whether we be dead in Christ, or alive and remain until He comes back at the 2nd Advent. 1Cor15. they are talking about the fact that we are to believe that He shall come back. No time frame given...
Part of Christ now... 1 cor 12:12-13
no division between Jew and gentile...no rapture there.
God wrath goes upon earth dwellers... Not himself
why would His wrath go on Himself? Why would you say not Himself???Church ...Gal 3:28....
what I see here is that we are all the same in God's eyes....is that the right scripture you meant?
Eph 2:11-12 how close could a gentile get to God during Law.... and if they became a Jewish proceylte they could not go in the tabernacle or Temple but on the outside of its gates only
Phil 3:20-21 promised the heavens
well, we shall all have a body like His, whether we be dead in Christ, or alive and remain until He comes back at the 2nd Advent. 1Cor15. they are talking about the fact that we are to believe that He shall come back. No time frame given...
Part of Christ now... 1 cor 12:12-13
no division between Jew and gentile...no rapture there.
God wrath goes upon earth dwellers... Not himself
Who was Saul presecuting in Acts 9:4 was this Christ or believers .... both Christ is the Head of the body eph eph 1:22-23 where we are all one connected by the indwelling of God where we get Eternal life upon belief
His wrath is for all who fail the test of the antiChrist. Even Christians who fail the test.
So Christ was not faithful to Adam and eve when they repent not.... or did God make them clothing... Gen 3:21
When David slept with Uriah's wife Did God kill Him according to the Law! Romans 4:6-8
if God is not mad at you, you could stand in His wrath and it would not harm you at all. And God does not send His wrath until the 144,000 are Gathered together on Mt Zion at the Last(7th) trump.
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If anyone who denys the Gospel during our time of grace they will believe the lie... 2 thes 4:9-10 , and be killed during the Great Trib...
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Hey, think what you want. I am just glad that there are many Christians who do not believe in the pre-trib rapture so that they are better prepared in case they are alive at the time the antichrist comes to power. Best be prepared and have some knowledge of this rather than not realizing the antichrist is there because these Christians think it can't be him because they're still on Earth.
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