this topic is for a different thread.....but a quick answer
1 And Adam knew Eve his wife;
after she is already pregnant as adequately described in chapter3, hence the punnishments of multiple
births and labor pains...
after that, Adam knows her
and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. And she again bare his brother Abel. And
Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
both her kids have souls that God placed in their body....but Adam fathered one of them-Abel, and the
fallen angel Satan fathered the other one first-Cain....as the order suggests in chapter 3....just as his bretheren did in
Gen 6...or do you deny that as well....?
but seriously, leave it for another thread....don't hijack this one with your vandetta against me,
ok?
in His service
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Nonono.
Gen 4:1 Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with {the help of} the LORD."
The natural progression is that ADAM had relations with his wife, and the result was that she bore a son, Cain.
The majority of all expositors come to the conclusion that the structure of the Hebrew of this sentence is very odd, and that one cannot be dogmatic about the translation.
Open your bible, or read any english translation and you probably get something like this:
"I have gotten a manchild with {the help of} the LORD."
...brackets are added. "The help of" is not really there in the hebrew, it is just "best understood" that way and according to some expositors "fits the text the best". It may very well be understood that way, but the text can read in a few different ways.
"I have gotten a manchild with the LORD."
or more literally put,
"I have gotten (or even "created") a man with/from Jehovah (Yahweh)."
Sounds similar to another story in the bible doesn't it?
Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child
by the Holy Spirit.
Also, not a greatly supported tranlsation but still a possible one is:
"I have gotten a man Jehovah (Yahweh)."
Now of course this wasn't true, but as Eve understood it, was she hoping for the fulfillment of this promise-
Gen 3:15-And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
It could very well be that Eve thought her firstborn child was the one to deliver them from Satan. After all, she had never had a child before so this thought would not be unthinkable.
When we look at the etymology of the names, we get even more understanding. The name "Cain" or "Qayin" most likely means "possesion" or "aquire", while "Abel" or "Hebel" most likely means "breath" or "vanity". Thus, It is more likely to think of Cain as the son of promise, and Abel as the son of worthlessness, or "vanity". This would lead further to the belief that Eve believed Cain was to fulfill the promise given in Genesis 3.
Another interesting mention in this verse is Eve's calling of Cain a "man" as soon as he is born. Nowhere in Scripture is a newborn baby called a man as in 4:1-
Gen 4:1 Now the man (Adam) had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a man of Jehovah (YHWH)."
I think it makes sense that Eve thought Cain was going to fulfill the promise given by God in Genesis 3. While I can't go around dogmatically teaching that, I think it's there in the text, and it makes sense contextually.
Based on all of that, I don't where you can possibly get the teaching that "Satan and Eve" bore Cain together. Such a teaching cannot be supported. The logical understanding of text is that Adam and Eve have both Cain and Abel. Just because it only mentions that Adam knew Eve once does not mean that they only had sexual intercourse at one time.
The word "know" or in Hebrew, "yada"
1) to know
a) (Qal)
1) to know
a) to know, learn to know
b) to perceive
c) to perceive and see, find out and discern
d) to discriminate, distinguish
e) to know by experience
f) to recognise, admit, acknowledge, confess
g) to consider
2) to know, be acquainted with
3) to know (a person carnally)
4) to know how, be skilful in
5) to have knowledge, be wise
and in greek "eido"
to see
to perceive with the eyes
to perceive by any of the senses
to perceive, notice, discern, discover
to see
i.e. to turn the eyes, the mind, the attention to anything
to pay attention, observe
to see about something
i.e. to ascertain what must be done about it
to inspect, examine
to look at, behold
to experience any state or condition
to see i.e. have an interview with, to visit
to know
to know of anything
to know, i.e. get knowledge of, understand, perceive
of any fact
the force and meaning of something which has definite meaning
to know how, to be skilled in
to have regard for one, cherish, pay attention to
have a similar meaning as you can see.
The flow of the words make no sense if we interpret them as you do. Every time Adam "knows" Eve, she has a child.
Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, [said she], hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
Just as in 4:1-
Gen 4:1 Now the man (Adam) knew his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain.
The flow of the passage is the exact same as in 4:25, that Adam knew Eve, and the result was that she bore a son. Simple. That is the best interpretation of the text and obviously the point that was trying to be made by the writer.
If you want to get anything out of the fact that it is only mentioned once that Adam knew his wife, it would be that Cain and Abel were twins. There is no reason not to think they were, but it doesn't explicitly say that.
Gen 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
So there is no mention of Adam "knowing" Eve again, although most will agree that there is no need for repetition, as it is entirely obvious that Adam is the father. If anything other than Adam having relations with Eve twice, it was that he had relations once and two children were born. This is totally clear in the text though.
