A new development to watch closely

[SkyWriting]

So to conclude, you don't know the difference between modelling and reproducing something. You admit that one can study an event (like a volcanic eruption) despite not observing or modelling it, but provide special pleading to exclude bible events from these general principles.

Special pleading requires that one ignore any conflicting information.
I am always open to opposing views and encourage people to offer them.

 

[tas8831]

There can not be any evidence for supernatural events
becasue no person can reproduce the effect.

Laughably irrelevant and illogical.

According to your position, there can be no evidence for a Global Flood. Yet creationist organizations write about their 'evidence' for this all the time.

You cannot have it both ways.

On the other hand, Christianity is the only religion
based on historical people and facts. Not only are
the background stories well documented in history
but the scriptures are the most well documented
writings of any ancient texts.

That is hardly the case.

"Most well documented"? HA! there are not even any contemporary corroborations of the acts of Jesus, much less documentation dot OT claims.

 

[SkyWriting]

According to your position, there can be no evidence for a Global Flood. Yet creationist organizations write about their 'evidence' for this all the time.

Sadly for them:

SkyWriting said: ↑
There can not be any evidence for supernatural events
becasue no person can reproduce the effect.

 

[SkyWriting]

You cannot have it both ways.

I am not a young earth creationist. Among creationists, they are a small and new group. They make some mistakes in their reading of scripture. But because they believe in a literal reading of text, I am no longer a follower of them.

 

[SkyWriting]

"Most well documented"? HA! there are not even any contemporary corroborations of the acts of Jesus, much less documentation dot OT claims.

Top 10 Biblical Archaeology Discoveries in 2016
Biblical Archaeology's Top Ten Discoveries of 2015
Biblical Archaeology's Top Ten Discoveries of 2014

 

[Loudmouth]

Sadly for them:

SkyWriting said: ↑
There can not be any evidence for supernatural events
becasue no person can reproduce the effect.

You don't have to reproduce a murder in order to find evidence of a murder.

 

[tas8831]

Special pleading requires that one ignore any conflicting information.

According to which definition of 'special pleading'?

"Applying standards, principles, and/or rules to other people or circumstances, while making oneself or certain circumstances exempt from the same critical criteria, without providing adequate justification. Special pleading is often a result of strong emotional beliefs that interfere with reason."


Nothing about ignoring conflicting information there.

Freudian slip maybe?

 

[tas8831]

Biblical Archaeology's Top Ten Discoveries of 2015

That is good stuff.. Nothing about great floods, light before a sun, dust=human, etc. I liked these entries:

"The first and only Philistine cemetery ever discovered ..."

"A millennia-old latrine ...could be evidence ..."

"An excavation at a cave in Galilee has uncovered what may be a 2,000-year-old stone vessel production center. "

"Two First Temple period seals were discovered..."

And so on...


Lots of 'could be' and 'may be' ...

Yet you reject the evidence that people have presented here for evolution.

Incredible double standards.

Like I said before - I think we are done.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yet you reject the evidence that people have presented here for evolution. Incredible double standards.

You'll have to retract that, or just be flappin. Sorry.
You got nothin'.

 

[SkyWriting]

According to which definition of 'special pleading'?

"Applying standards, principles, and/or rules to other people or circumstances, while making oneself or certain circumstances exempt from the same critical criteria, without providing adequate justification. Special pleading is often a result of strong emotional beliefs that interfere with reason."

Yup. Special pleading requires that one ignore any conflicting information.

 

[tas8831]

Yup. Special pleading requires that one ignore any conflicting information.

Yup. Which is what you frequently do.

 

[tas8831]

You'll have to retract that, or just be flappin. Sorry.
You got nothin'.

No idea what you mean to say here.

You DO ignore evidence (or can't understand it), do you not?

 

[tas8831]

That is good stuff.. Nothing about great floods, light before a sun, dust=human, etc. I liked these entries:

"The first and only Philistine cemetery ever discovered ..."

"A millennia-old latrine ...could be evidence ..."

"An excavation at a cave in Galilee has uncovered what may be a 2,000-year-old stone vessel production center. "

"Two First Temple period seals were discovered..."

And so on...


Lots of 'could be' and 'may be' ...

Yet you reject the evidence that people have presented here for evolution.

Incredible double standards.

Like I said before - I think we are done.

Presenting the above as evidence the bible is the "most well documented" of ancient texts is a GREAT example of SPECIAL PLEADING.

Whether Skywriter acknowledges it or not.

 

[SkyWriting]

Presenting the above as evidence the bible is the "most well documented" of ancient texts is a GREAT example of SPECIAL PLEADING.
Whether Skywriter acknowledges it or not.

You are mixing statements from two different people. It's very hard
for me to defend my comments unless you quote me on them.

The Old Testament: the Dead Sea Scrolls
The Dead Sea Scrolls contain at least fragments of every book in the Old Testament except the book of Esther. More than ten scrolls were preserved intact including two copies of Isaiah. 2 Professor Millar Burrows of Yale University assigns these copies to the first century BC. Johns Hopkins University Professor William F. Albright places them more conservatively in the second century BC.3

These copies of Isaiah, written 1,000 years earlier than the previously oldest known copies have proven to be "word for word identical with our standard Hebrew Bible in more than 95 percent of the text. The five percent of variation consisted chiefly of obvious slips of the pen and variations in spelling.

These include one Isaiah scroll which was written between 150-100 BC, another around 50 BC, a commentary on Habakkuk penned between 100-50 BC, and two other documents. 6

There are over 6,000 handwritten manuscript copies or portions of the Greek New Testament in existence today.
What early manuscripts exist today?

 

[SkyWriting]

Presenting the above as evidence the bible is the "most well documented" of ancient texts is a GREAT example of SPECIAL PLEADING. Whether Skywriter acknowledges it or not.

HOW DO OTHER ANCIENT TEXTS COMPARE TO THE NEW TESTAMENT?

When considering the trustworthiness of the New Testament (NT) documents, the first question we need to ask is, “Have these documents been accurately transmitted to us since they were originally written?”

Author Work / Number of handwritten Manuscripts

Homer Iliad / 1757
Herodotus History / 109
Sophocles Plays / 193
Plato Tetralogies / 210
Caesar Gallic Wars / 251
Livy History of Rome / 150
Tacitus Annals / 33
Pliny, the Elder Natural History / 200
Thucydides History / 96
Demosthenes Speeches / 340
Greek NT / 5795
How Do Other Ancient Texts Compare to the New Testament? #10 Post of 2012

 

[Loudmouth]

HOW DO OTHER ANCIENT TEXTS COMPARE TO THE NEW TESTAMENT?

When considering the trustworthiness of the New Testament (NT) documents, the first question we need to ask is, “Have these documents been accurately transmitted to us since they were originally written?”

The accuracy of an account is not determined by how well it was copied once it was written.

 

[SkyWriting]

Presenting the above as evidence the bible is the "most well documented" of ancient texts is a GREAT example of SPECIAL PLEADING.
Whether Skywriter acknowledges it or not.

"..there are thousands more New Testament Greek manuscripts than any other ancient writing. The internal consistency of the New Testament documents is about 99.5% textually pure... In addition, there are over 19,000 copies in the Syriac, Latin, Coptic, and Aramaic languages. The total supporting New Testament manuscript base is over 24,000..."

"If the critics of the Bible dismiss the New Testament as reliable information, then they must also dismiss the reliability of the writings of Plato, Aristotle, Caesar, Homer, and the other authors... "

Manuscript evidence for superior New Testament reliability | Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry

 

[SkyWriting]

The accuracy of an account is not determined by how well it was copied once it was written.

“Have these documents been accurately transmitted to us since they were originally written?”

The accuracy of a manuscript is determined by how well it was copied once it was written.

 

[SkyWriting]

The accuracy of an account is not determined by how well it was copied once it was written.

To determine the accuracy of a copied manuscript, textual critics scrutinize the way the transcripts have passed through history to their extant forms.
Historicity of the Bible - Wikipedia

 

[Loudmouth]

To determine the accuracy of a copied manuscript, textual critics scrutinize the way the transcripts have passed through history to their extant forms.
Historicity of the Bible - Wikipedia

If we find an exact copy of a Harry Potter book being published 2,000 years from now, does that mean the events in those books really happened?