A new CF, an old vision (4)

[Miracle Storm]

Correct. I am not saying that I accept them as Christians personally - this website is accepting a member's right to use the icon if they wish to self-identify with it.

That doesn't stop those who are faking Christianity from proselytizing.

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

That doesn't stop those who are faking Christianity from proselytizing.

Recent examples?

 

[Brimshack]

Like MiracleStorm's concern , iow christian's will stayb/c their concerned for the unsuspecting, but decietfulness isn't good, no matter what

No deceitfulness isn't good. But it is only a specific kind of deceitfulness that has you so up in arms today. As with any system of justice, people can work the angles of Erwin's new rules. They could do so in the past as well. I've seen people cry here because someone who'se credentials were better than theirs took their Christian icon away, because someone took it upon themselves to sit in judgement of their faith. It was a deceitful move and it hurt someone I care about. But this didn't happen just once.

You can still question someone. You can still that, but that's not really Christian, here's why, same as you could last week. What you cant do is leverage it, no more and no less.

I guess it's a judgement call. Erwin's system allows people to call themselves Christian that you don't think deserve it. Your syetm, the one you advocate now allows some people to deny others' faith when they don't deserve that either. It's a question of priorities. But, no, deceit enjoys no net gain or loss in this system over the old one. It's largely a question of who will have the leverage to decide the matter.

 

[uberd00b]

I can find nothing Christian in the posts by some members here who display the Christian icon. Perhaps what faith you say you are makes little difference anyway?

 

[Miracle Storm]

Recent examples?

It opened up today Lindon. There are no examples to give except one running around with a Christian icon claiming there is no God.
proselytizing can go on in a pm, in a post, or wherever they feel free to do it. Because if they say they are Chrsitian than we are to accept it....
Sorry, I'm not one to sit on my hands much and let people insult my Lord and lead His sheep the wrong direction.
It angers me.

 

[GraceInHim]

That doesn't stop those who are faking Christianity from proselytizing.

We have seen the Theological debates as Mods and have seen many Christians acting like non-Christians, always trying to judge other denominations, flaming and so forth. I am guilty of this, did this before trying to knock another Christian down..

It is up to each individual to take account to God and not any of us whether they are or not a Christian.

I cannot tell someone here on line that they are not going to heaven if they died.. God only knows.. I can pray though for them.

Bless ya sis

 

[uberd00b]

For recent examples I would look at Miracle_Storms or 88Devin07's posts. Then ask, WWJD?

 

[Miracle Storm]

I can find nothing Christian in the posts by some members here who display the Christian icon. Perhaps what faith you say you are makes little difference anyway?

Because we are angry you find nothing Christian in what we say.
Let's see Jesus became angry. I think we have every right to human emotions as you or anyone else.

Besides I didn't say I was perfect, I am His.
Cleansed by the blood of Christ, saved by grace not law.
If you are looking for perfection look to Him not me, because I am imperfect and will let you down. He will not. But I will do everything in my power to protect His sheep.
If the only way I can do that is to forsake CF and plead with others to do the same I will.

 

[sparklecat]

Because if they say they are Chrsitian than we are to accept it....

Nobody is saying this. Erwin has stated that they are allowed to self-identify as such, and that the forum-specific rules can be written to prevent people not considered worthy by the subforum from debating therein.

 

[Miracle Storm]

For recent examples I would look at Miracle_Storms or 88Devin07's posts. Then ask, WWJD?

Matthew 21:12Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13"It is written," he said to them, " 'My house will be called a house of prayer,'[e] but you are making it a 'den of robbers.'[f]"


Well I haven't knocked over any tables yet, but hey the night is young.

WWJD

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

It opened up today Lindon. There are no examples to give except one running around with a Christian icon claiming there is no God.
proselytizing can go on in a pm, in a post, or wherever they feel free to do it. Because if they say they are Chrsitian than we are to accept it....
Sorry, I'm not one to sit on my hands much and let people insult my Lord and lead His sheep the wrong direction.
It angers me.

So, despite no evidence of this occuring, you still proclaim that it's going on all around us?

 

[icedtea]

There is no Christian-only section anymore. I'm considering an Orthodox Church and Unorthodox Church section.

The Eastern Orthdox may not like That!

 

[Miracle Storm]

So, despite no evidence of this occuring, you still proclaim that it's going on all around us?

I never "proclaimed" it happened yet Lin.
It's been one day. Watch....

 

[Brimshack]

Because we are angry you find nothing Christian in what we say.
Let's see Jesus became angry. I think we have every right to human emotions as you or anyone else.

Besides I didn't say I was perfect, I am His.
Cleansed by the blood of Christ, saved by grace not law.
If you are looking for perfection look to Him not me, because I am imperfect and will let you down. He will not. But I will do everything in my power to protect His sheep.
If the only way I can do that is to forsake CF and plead with others to do the same I will.

No, you haven't claimed to be perfect, that is true. What you have claimed is the authoruty to determine who is and who is not a Christian. You could content yourself with the right to examine whether their words and deeds were consistent with Christianity as you see it. But you want, no, you demand, more than that. You demand the authority to decide who may and who may not claim the title.

Do you really think you, or the mods on this forum are entitled to that authority? Do you think it will be used wisely? Has it in the past? Or might it be just a little more appropriate to content yourself with weighing in on the issues rather than the hearts of other forum members.

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

I never "proclaimed" it happened yet Lin.
It's been one day. Watch....

There will be a few, I have no doubt.

But, like I said earlier, what I've mostly seen so far is people working together with mutual respect.

 

[uberd00b]

Matthew 21:12Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13"It is written," he said to them, " 'My house will be called a house of prayer,'[e] but you are making it a 'den of robbers.'[f]"

Yes the humanity of Jesus is as apparent as his divinity. But when non-believers or those who are "weak in faith" arrive at the site and are met with exclusion and elitism, how can this be a good witness? This would do nothing but turn people away. Yes Jesus had flashes of anger, but as Christians aren't people called to be better than that? To show love, patience and compassion? Would this not be a far better way to bring people to Christ?

 

[Brimshack]

I still think it's interesting that allowing Mormons and JWs to call themselves Christian is heresy.

1) The policy doesn't force anyone to endorse the claim. It forbids them to challenge it (and there only at the personal level).

2) Time was when Catholics and Protestants called each other heretics, denied each other's membership in the church, and generally killed each other over the matter. Somehow on a forum in which Catholics and Protestants can accept each others nominal claims it is unthinkable to allow Mormons and JWs the same courtesy.

 

[Miracle Storm]

No, you haven't claimed to be perfect, that is true. What you have claimed is the authoruty to determine who is and who is not a Christian. You could content yourself with the right to examine whether their words and deeds were consistent with Christianity as you see it. But you want, no, you demand, more than that. You demand the authority to decide who may and who may not claim the title.

lie much?
I have said and done nothing of the sort.

Do you really think you, or the mods on this forum are entitled to that authority? Do you think it will be used wisely? Has it in the past? Or might it be just a little more appropriate to content yourself with weighing in on the issues rather than the hearts of other forum members.

I am not judging the hearts of other members, but concerned for members that will be lead the wrong way by trouble makers whom only claim to be christian...
There is only ONE way to be saved.

 

[Miracle Storm]

Yes the humanity of Jesus is as apparent as his divinity. But when non-believers or those who are "weak in faith" arrive at the site and are met with exclusion and elitism, how can this be a good witness? This would do nothing but turn people away. Yes Jesus had flashes of anger, but as Christians aren't people called to be better than that? To show love, patience and compassion? Would this not be a far better way to bring people to Christ?

You think I am supposed to be better than Christ.
Lord have mercy...
Jesus is perfect!
I am not, and no I am not called to be better than Him.

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

As nearly as I can tell, Jesus only got mad a couple of times in His 33 years.

You?