A new CF, an old vision (3)

[Ramona]

Yup. That's what I've gathered from the announcement. Looks to me like the future of CF will be what the members of CF choose to make of it.

Well, well, well. Look who's here.

Glad to see ya around this here neck of the internets again, Raven.

 

[Fireinfolding]

HA!

I'd like to see the new CF work - particularly as I've spent a lot of time here. I think that the new annoucement currently lacks that "vision thing" which is, among other things, why I'm having some problems at the moment.

I've already seen lists going around on other boards on who should be the "new staff," nose counts being taken, and "possible policies" drawn up. To me that is too much "old boss is the same as the new boss..."

Yeah I can see how one have a problem catching the vision lol

I try to stay more quiet on differences I'm sorta bracing for a GA like invasion I can always utilize the door and take some vacation time lol


Your kidding? Headcounts are being taken up now? lol

I know where ya hangin' and if you still want the job I'll drop your name Tonks Your always fair, not overbearing and stay on middle ground in good ways

I cant believe you would still want the job lol

Peace

Fireinfolding

 

[RedTulipMom]

See link for my two cents.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5664628-attention-whiners.html

hey thanks for the link..great read

 

[Brimshack]

Yup. That's what I've gathered from the announcement. Looks to me like the future of CF will be what the members of CF choose to make of it.

...and honestly, it could easily prove to be hard time for us non-Christians, and for the liberal types. Community control can very well mean harsh restrictions and mods with little regard for those outside their own constituency. It is by no means clear that this refirm will mean an actual loosening up of the polices here. Still less is there any reason to believe that is what Erwin had in mind.

It really does appear that some have chosen to see only a particular path down the future without looking at all the possibilities. One would hope (at least I do) there is one somewhere in there that allows Christians to promote their faith and gets everyone treated with dignity and respect. But those who see only a libralizing of forum practice are not looking very carefully at all the options.

 

[ravenscape]

Well, well, well. Look who's here.

Glad to see ya around this here neck of the internets again, Raven.

(((WF)))

I've been around today. I've put my oar in once or twice, but this thread is an express train. You snooze you lose

 

[HELENz]

Alright, I'm out. This is an interesting thread though...

 

[BelindaP]

shhh, Brimshack. Don't give them any ideas.

 

[none the wiser]

*placemarker*

 

[Miracle Storm]

Try "bigotry". You're setting yourself above others and allowing yourself to be sickened based on an unsupportable personal opinion that you're automatically better than others simply because of the beliefs you hold.

That's your opinion. I am not a biggot.
This is a "Christian Forum" I would have liked it to remain that way.

Some Christians who have every bit as much substantiation for a claim of knowing the Lord would disagree -- fortunately.

Do they agree with Scripture?

You're speaking your mind and that's what these new changes are all about. But I find your ethics, morality and personal feeling of entitlement to be disturbing.

I don't have a "personal feeling of entitlement" and frankly beasttly I don't care what you think.

Where do you read "secular" in anything posted or suggested? And what's so wrong with observing evidence? It's the way every single aspect of your life aside from religion operates.

There is not one part on this forum that is now left to Christians Only to interact with each other. That is secular. You don't know every single aspect of my life or the way it operates and I am non pc.

You not only missed my point entirely, but you made it personal.

I didn't miss your point. you missed the joke.

Have I said anything to your character, your knowledge or anything personal?

Have I said anything to personal to you. No.

No. I made the point that for thousands of years, churches got along just fine, and still do, without internet message boards.

Yes they do and still would, but there are still those that will come here earnestly seeking truth, but will find they are being led astray with false teachings.

Some churches instruct the congregation to stay away from the internet altogether. They think it's all the work of the devil.

Some of it is the work of satan.
The internet can be used for God's glory though.
CF is not one of those places.

BTW - I don't mind discussing this with you, as long as you keep the personal snipes out of it.

I didn't say anything personal to you bear.
I don't want to discuss anything with you either.

I know where your agenda lies....


ravenous wolves released hunting for prey. Warning: Remove your teenagers from "Christian Forums" before it is to late.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

Says you bear.

This is a message board, but many come here that are seeking or young in Christ and do not need the agendas of others polluting their precious hearts and minds.

Millstone bear, millstone.

So they should have your oh so pure agenda in their hearts and minds? I am actually using this thread to show my children, who are ignorant of internet drama, the difference between loving words and hurtful words. I have brought them over, let them read posts, not selecting them and by and large the posts they pick as hateful have been from people like you who claim to be Christian and want this change not to happen. My oldest daughter actually cried when I explained to her that some people really feel like this towards atheists and she asked me "Doesn't Jesus love everyone" and I was able to comfort her and explain that the views being presented weren't Christian in the least and yes we are to love everyone. I don't want your example or any example like yours being held up for my children to see as Christian behavior. My nine year old daughter cried to think how much some people hate those who aren't Christians. Great example Miracle. Yes it was one of your posts she read. I am glad to have examples to show them. You have provided me with the ability to show them how they should never behave.

 

[RedTulipMom]

mark my spot

 

[nyj]

So they should have your oh so pure agenda in their hearts and minds? I am actually using this thread to show my children, who are ignorant of internet drama, the difference between loving words and hurtful words.

And where would your children place your mocking (see the bolded comments) of Miracle Storm? In the "loving bin" or the "hurtful bin"?

The whole board just got a great big dose of stupid. There is no hope here.

 

[Beastt]

First, that was a rather boldly stated assumption about me personally. Why is it that when some people debate an issue they have to degrade someone personally?

It wasn't pure assumption. It was based very heavily on what you've been claiming here. You're standing up for people who have been practicing oppression and feeling sorry for them. You've attempted to justify this by telling us what others are going to do, even though the mechanisms which allowed what you're predicting no longer exist.

So the conclusion seems rather obvious. I just spelled it out. If I'm wrong you're welcome to demonstrate how I'm wrong.

Second, I am not here to debate you what you perceive as fallacies in the Bible. I would like to point out that even though I have not pushed my ideology at you, you just did it to me and it was completely off topic.

You made an assertion I felt was incorrect. So I not only told you that I believed it was incorrect, I presented examples. You've been speaking your mind here but when I speak mine, you suddenly have a problem with it and wish to classify it as "off topic", even though the examples were in direct relation to the assertion I was demonstrating to be incorrect. This is one of the problems with the whole "derailing" rule. It's fine to not wish to lose the general overall idea of a thread. But too many attempt to use such a rule to erase examples they can't refute.

Third, if this entire post is any indication that this is the way you think the NEW CF should be... you have just proved my point. Whose brand of responsibility are you expecting me to follow now--yours?

If you think I've tried to thrust any particular kind of responsibility upon you, I invite you to cut and paste the specific text. I've done no such thing nor have I suggested that you weren't showing responsibility. This is just you presenting your ideas and me presenting mine. The difference is that you keep trying to fall back to old fail-safe methods like claiming I'm trying to impose my "brand" of responsibility on you when I've done no such thing or making allegations of violating the topic when no such thing has occurred.

See how this works, folks? There will be always be oppression, it is just a matter of who is going to be doing it.

You forget, the old systems aren't going to be in place much longer. Many of them seem to be melting as this series of threads progress. You can't oppress my thoughts through the key phrase "off topic" the way you used to. When the new rules are drafted, it's very likely that someone will have to demonstrate that the post was actually off topic.

I'm not trying to oppress you. I'm just discussing things with you. You don't seem to care for that so you turn back to the old system of oppressing what you can't refute. You have an opinion and I have an opinion. You're expressing yours and I don't see you implying that you shouldn't be doing so. But when I present mine, suddenly you're suggesting I'm trying to oppress you when nothing of the sort is occurring. If you decide to discontinue the discussion, by all means, feel free. But please don't make invalid and unsupportable accusations in the hope of regulating my right to present my opinions.

 

[BelindaP]

He wasn't mocking. He was using sarcastic humor for effect. If he didn't care, he wouldn't have bothered to try to correct her.

 

[nyj]

He wasn't mocking. He was using sarcastic humor for effect.

Six of one, half dozen of the other.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

And where would your children place your mocking (see the bolded comments) of Miracle Storm? In the "loving bin" or the "hurtful bin"?

The whole board just got a great big dose of stupid. There is no hope here.

There is a difference between sarcasm and downright hate. I never claimed to be prefect at all. I never claimed to have all the answers. All I know is I see hatred being spewed. If I am a little sarcastic it is absolutely nothing compared to some of the horrible posts by supposed Christians in this thread. Yes I was sarcastic. Was it the best thing to do? Likely not. Was I anywhere near as hateful as Miracle has been? Not even on the same plane.

 

[BarbaraJean]

I wish I had never popped in here to check things out. So much anger, bitterness and hatred. I'm grieved.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

Six of one, half dozen of the other.

There is a difference between a literary hook used for effect and outright hatred. I have seen you be sarcastic for effect many a time. Are you trying to climb up on a high horse now? I've got a stool if you need help. I'll stay down here with all the sinners.

(Please note: The above post contains sarcasm and metaphor used for effect. I actually like Tom most of the time )

 

[nyj]

All I know is I see hatred being spewed.

Mark. Would you prefer to be the pot, or the kettle?

You are the last person who should be coming in here trying to correct people, especially using sarcasm.

Why am I not surprised by the players here and their attitudes, and the cliques which are already so self evident.

This is what CF has to look forward to. These 2000+ posts are an indication of what is to come. As I said, there is no hope here.

CF would be better off with NO RULES, and simply installing a set of ignore filters (posts, threads, people, avatars, signatures, etc etc) which people can set to ignore things as to tailor their CF experience.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I wish I had never popped in here to check things out. So much anger, bitterness and hatred. I'm grieved.

I am trying to see if it is more on the Christian side or non-Christian side.

It should be absolute 0 for the Christ-ian side. If not, then it is not a CHRIST-ian forum.