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"We need the plebeians to be terrified of us" - Holy Roman Empire.
Does Scripture present Gehenna as candy, as a mountain and a rock? Does that agree with the context?It's a big deal because some words carry a LOT of theo-illogical and/or emotional baggage. What if I translated "sheol," "hades," "gehenna" and "tartarus" as the "Big Rock Candy Mountain"...?
Scripture is the source of the ideas in people's heads."Hell" just puts the wrong ideas in people's heads.
Those words are chosen based on the context of the whole counsel of God."Condemnation" and "Damnation" do as well, and I have seen both rendered from simple "judgment." Do you see how that works?
Does Scripture present Gehenna as candy, as a mountain and a rock? Does that agree with the context?
Scripture is the source of the ideas in people's heads.
Those words are chosen based on the context of the whole counsel of God.
Does Scripture present Gehenna as candy, as a mountain and a rock? Does that agree with the context?
Scripture is the source of the ideas in people's heads.
Those words are chosen based on the context of the whole counsel of God.
You're new to the Scriptures, right?
Your quote "Eternal adjective lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning."I see no reason to insist that it's not saying life in the age to come, or in the world to come, rather than eternal life. For one thing eternity doesn't have a beginning, but we did.
Eternal adjective lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning.
15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during, 16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during. John 3:15-16 YLT
We're being given a promise that we'll be alive in the age/world to come. I don't feel shortchanged by that. What happens after that age? I guess we'll have to wait to find out.
I started going to Sunday School when FDR was president. I did not become a Christian until LBJ was president and it had nothing to do someone preaching hell. I had been in a few church between FDR and LBJ and can't recall ever hearing a sermon on hell.That terror keeps the pews and offering plates full...but fails miserably at making the plebeians fit for the Kingdom.
I don't know. . .what was the point?Big Rock Candy Mountain - I used that term to make a point. Did you miss it?
And you would know the text came from the theology rather than vice versa, how?The "whole counsel of God" would include good and unbiased translation. Too many versions fail at that. After surveying the whole KJV, I concluded that many of the word choices were made to support pre-existing theology. It puts the cart ahead of the horse.
In which two posts did it come up? It's in post #282.Well, I quoted you twice, and "You're new to the Scriptures, right?" came up each time, even though it does not show up in your post. But to answer your question, no, I am NOT new to the Scriptures.
Right. One age precedes the next. Change is good, right?We're being given a promise that we'll be alive in the age/world to come. I don't feel shortchanged by that. What happens after that age? I guess we'll have to wait to find out.
The Harrowing of Hell happened between Jesus death on the cross and his resurrection. It is what he was doing for those three days.
You are bringing in aspects from the final judgement. That doesn't apply here.
Yes. And we too quickly forget that mercy is an option for judgment. (God is full of mercy)"Hell" just puts the wrong ideas in people's heads. "Condemnation" and "Damnation" do as well, and I have seen both rendered from simple "judgment." Do you see how that works?
Sorry. Actually a reference to an earlier post.I don't understand what part of my last post you think had anything to do with the final judgement. I was comparing those of more modern times who had never heard the gospel, with those in the far past who had never heard the gospel, because there was none, and had to be judged as such, based on their conscience and morals.
Well as long as we are relying on our feelings rather than the WORD OF GOD, what could possibly go wrong.Halo there,
not very long time ago we had a discussion in our chalcedonian orthodox forum with a catholic and our orthodox priest if there is a for ever hell. Well the catholic could not name any text passeges or so but he had good reason to say hell can never be for ever. I "miss the times" so to say, do not know how to say it otherwise, when people had neither bible nor church and had themselves direct contact to God. They were better in that times. How can you think God will punish forever? This is impossible. It is so that God leads the church to say such things because we people need the anxiety to be saved! This is nothinig more than church politics. There will never be a for ever hell but a very long hell. This is absolutely enough to be afraid.enough to be saved.
God will never make someone suffer without reason and never for ever. I know this because I wanted to jump from 14th floor more than 10 years ago and God started talking to me. Therefore I also know about the frequency and possibility of reincaranation, ment that a soul can be born again(in another body on earth)! This does not change that Jesus came to earth. I wish all a good experience this year with Pascha/Easter. I would like to know your sincere opinions. Leave politics aside. Do you really think God will "kill" you for ever by never ever again delivering you from hell? You should always think the best of God, you know and use your reason also. Your reason existed before the bible. And I heard this passage is translated wrongly, it could mean for ever and it could mean one aeon/one million years or so.
Yes, much better to be a soul-less, Bible-wielding robot. Take no captives.Well as long as we are relying on our feelings rather than the WORD OF GOD, what could possibly go wrong.
Judges 17:6 [NKJV]
In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes.
Do you have a verse that supports that position, because it does not sound very Christian to me. I find it better to “seek truth” and “trust in God” ... but to each his own. If being a “soul-less, Bible-wielding robot” works for you, then who am I to judge the servant of another?Yes, much better to be a soul-less, Bible-wielding robot. Take no captives.
I do.Who uses KJV?
I can find no errors in the Textus Receptus.Not only the text, but its Greek manuscript has errors in it.
Wow. Did you really ask me that? (appears so) Kind of proves my point. Thanks.Do you have a verse that supports that position... ?
And you would know the text came from the theology rather than vice versa, how?
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