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Whatever the "Keys" were that Jesus mentioned there, could not be the Church of Rome, as that did not even exist until centuries later!Actually not. The preceding verses are all about Peter's view of Christ, and Christ responds to him with the famous "keys" statement we were discussing.
Lol. Have you not been following along/
Because I just posted the denomination I attend.
I'm not in the habit of posting more personal information on the internet.
Well, there was a church at Rome in the first century and it did serve the area surrounding the city. But that aside, the Roman Catholic Church you are referring to claims that it was authorized by Christ when speaking to Peter as recorded in this passage from Scripture. That's why we're talking about it in that context here, not that it's a valid claim.Whatever the "Keys" were that Jesus mentioned there, could not be the Church of Rome, as that did not even exist until centuries later!
So our friend prefers not to be a member but he identified the church he attends as being a congregation of the Church of God, which is one of the largest and best known of the Pentecostal church bodies. There's nothing unusual, contradictory, or elusive about that.Here it is again, you say that you're "not about denominations" and go on to say here, "Because I just posted the denomination I attend." Which in reality, you did not, all you posted was...."I attend a church from this denomination", which in Protestantism could mean one of the many thousands of other Protestant denominations.
I don't see what you find inconsistent about responding to your inquiry and then explaining that denomination really isn't important.Ah.... yeah, but you do make it a challenge when you keep responding with bewildered posts. Like posting the Facebook page of a Protestant denomination founded by some fella in 1886. And when asked if you are a member of this church, you answer with why does it matter when this church was founded, and that you are "not a member", but you attend "a church" from this denomination, Then, in the very next sentence you say, "I'm not about denominations". That's flip-flopping more than a freshly caught Rainbow Trout from a high mountain lake!
Already answered. No denomination is 100 percent correct. You are trying to split hairs as if your church hasn't flip flopped about over the centurys in what they supported. Do we really have to bring up all the sins of the RCC?You know renniks, it is very common these days to get a variety of answers when asking Protestants if their denomination holds the truth over other Protestant denominations. I've heard some Protestants claim, "their denomination is not 100% correct". So, I ask you, would it be your belief that your denomination holds the truth over other Protestant denominations/sects and is 100% correct or not 100%, correct?
was speaking to the Church of Rome as in Roman Catholic Church!Well, there was a church at Rome in the first century and it did serve the area surrounding the city. But that aside, the Roman Catholic Church you are referring to claims that it was authorized by Christ when speaking to Peter as recorded in this passage from Scripture. That's why we're talking about it in that context here, not that it's a valid claim.
No. For one thing, there was a lot to come before Peter even reached Rome. He first was to give that miraculous speech on Pentecost that led to the first real wave of converts to the new church, he was to be an important part of the council at Jerusalem hosted by James, and Peter later on was to be the bishop of Antioch before ever doing anything in Rome.was speaking to the Church of Rome as in Roman Catholic Church!
There is no "Roman Catholic Church," my Church is called the Catholic Church.
“Was anything withheld from the knowledge of Peter, who is called ‘the rock on which the Church would be built’ [Matt. 16:18] with the power of ‘loosing and binding in heaven and on earth’ [Matt. 16:19]?” (Demurrer Against the Heretics 22 [A.D. 200]).
Hmmm, who do I believe? A self proclaimed doctor of something, some recent innovation from protestants, or a Father of the Church.
This is the correct use of the Fathers. They are used to show that the early Church believed then what she teaches now.
with the power of ‘loosing and binding in heaven and on earth’ [Matt. 16:19]?” (
Hmmm, who do I believe? A self proclaimed doctor of something, some recent innovation from protestants, or a Father of the Church.
Right, in the same area Constantine built his empire after defeating Rome and the western empire. An area of much more importance in Gentile Christianity than Rome (which Peter called Babylon).Peter later on was to be the bishop of Antioch before ever doing anything in Rome.
What does this mean? What is this claimed power?
John 20:21-23
21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, … RSVCE
The power to forgive sins was eventually given to all of the Apostles. Simon was renamed as Rock (Peter) and Jesus said he would build His Church upon Rock. Only Peter, not any of the other Apostles, was given the keys to the kingdom.well then .... the power of the Holy Spirit was not just for Peter.
So our friend prefers not to be a member but he identified the church he attends as being a congregation of the Church of God, which is one of the largest and best known of the Pentecostal church bodies. There's nothing unusual, contradictory, or elusive about that.
Already answered.
No denomination is 100 percent correct.
"And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican" Matt 18:17.
"Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." Acts 20:28
"But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth" 1 Tim 3:15
"And sending from Miletus to Ephesus, he called the ancients of the church" Acts 20:17
"And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received by the church, and by the apostles and ancients, declaring how great things God had done with them" Acts 15:4
"And when they had ordained to them priests in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, in whom they believed" Acts 14:22
"And when they were come, and had assembled the church, they related what great things God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith to the Gentiles" Acts 14:26
"And going down to Caesarea, he went up to Jerusalem, and saluted the church, and so came down to Antioch" Acts 18:22.
You are trying to split hairs as if your church hasn't flip flopped about over the centurys in what they supported. Do we really have to bring up all the sins of the RCC?
We have a common ancestory. So, I'd follow them before Henry VIII'S Church and its VAST 500 year history.If it's the Fathers of the Church, your studies will be led by Eastern Orthodox Christians.
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