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  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

A Christian response to "No Kings."

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What the protesters fail to realize is that Kings aren't elected, but presidents like Trump are.
They know that. . .
The voters elected Trump as president, and he only gets to serve this term and the voters
elected a new president in 2028. Not so Kings, they inherit their crown for the most part.
They just create a false cause because they don't have a true cause.

It's the MO to destabilize, bought and paid for by enemies of the Republic.
 
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They know that. . .

They just create a false cause because they don't have a true cause.

It's the MO to destabilize, bought and paid for by enemies of the Republic.
Do you have proof that they don't have a true cause? If not, this all is slandering the protestors.
 
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Do you have proof that they don't have a true cause? If not, this all is slandering the protestors.
Can you demonstrate their true cause; i.e., government action contrary to our law which, gives them just cause for their objection?
 
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People simply don't want to turn the country into a dictatorship.
False narrative. . .until actual violation of the law is demonstrated, which it has not been.

There is no true cause for their actions. . .it's all simply about obstruction of what the plurality of the people voted for.

And they're too blind to see that they are simply alienating that plurality of voters, thereby guaranteeing their deserved exile to the wilderness in the next election.
 
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You do realize I'm talking about slandering people like other voters, illegal immigrants and public figures, right?
You do realize the moderators can stop it on this forum, right?
 
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False narrative. . .until actual violation of the law is demonstrated, which it has not been.
The deportation of Kilmer Abrego Garcia. Without due process he was sent to a prison in a foreign country.
There is no true cause for their actions. . .it's all simply about obstruction of what the plurality of the people voted for.
Can you prove that? If not, you're just slandering these people. What we do to the least of the brethren of Christ we do unto him. That's why I always protest against injustice and oppression.
And they're too blind to see that they are simply alienating that plurality of voters, thereby guaranteeing their deserved exile to the wilderness in the next election.
God sees us, what we say about others. It's wickedness to want to believe bad things said about others without any evidence.
 
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The deportation of Kilmer Abrego Garcia. Without due process he was sent to a prison in a foreign country.

He had due process. He went before an immigration judge and was ordered deported.

The due process was having the case heard by a judge. He went to a foreign prison because he was a criminal in his country.

This is the United States. Our charge is US citizens and US law. Not whether El Salvador has the right to enforce its own laws on its own citizens.
 
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What the protesters fail to realize is that Kings aren't elected, but presidents like Trump are.

The voters elected Trump as president, and he only gets to serve this term and the voters
elected a new president in 2028. Not so Kings, they inherit their crown for the most part.
Dictators have been known to kick the ladder, historically. So how they achieved power isn't relevant, the question is how firmly they cling to it and how gracefully they give it up. Caesar came to power through republic, but after Caesar came to power the republic ceased to be. Liberty is only secure so long as the people are prone to resist even a whiff of overreach of authority.
 
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Do you have proof that they don't have a true cause? If not, this all is slandering the protestors.
Deporting illegal immigrants is enforcing the law of our land.

Any who object to deportation, are objecting to our duly legislated laws.

Have you studied Civics?
 
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We have thousands and thousands of illegal immigrants in this country.
They cannot all be run through our Court system for deportation.
We have millions and millions of illegal immigrants. It's been that way for most of our lifetimes.
Extraordinary circumstances require extraordinary measure
Where love is compromised, wrong is rationalized.
It's not my job to prove, it's your job to prove your charge of the government violating our law (Ro 13:1-2).

I've already shown the DOJ breaking the law, Kilmer Abrego Garcia was sent to prison without due process. You on the other hand have slandered these people based on accusations that they have no true cause.
 
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Deporting illegal immigrants is enforcing the law of our land.

Any who object to deportation, are objecting to our duly legislated laws.

Have you studied Civics?
This is a strawman argument. The issue of the protest is the centralizing of power.
 
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This is a strawman argument. The issue of the protest is the centralizing of power.

What has been centralized?

The Union's victory in the Civil War cemented the supremacy of the federal government over the states, you would have to change the constitution I think at this point to change the supremacy of the Federal Government, and hence Federal law being able to override state law.
 
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What has been centralized?

The Union's victory in the Civil War cemented the supremacy of the federal government over the states, you would have to change the constitution I think at this point to change the supremacy of the Federal Government, and hence Federal law being able to override state law.
The centralization concern is about the power of the executive vs the other branches of the federal government, not the state's vs the federal government
 
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