A Christian response to "No Kings."

[childeye 2]

The moderators can. . .report it.

Only the Holy Spirit of Truth can cure it.

 

[ralliann]

As a Christian standing on the sidelines I find it interesting and amusing.

The ongoing fixation on one man. First he was a fascist and Nazi and everything else under the sun. Now he's a King lol. What next Willy Wonka. Actually thats probably not a bad description lol.

In some ways it is the people who are fixated that are making him a King. They keep saying it until they believe it. They dedicate time and effort to make it an issue in their life that it controls their thinking.

If they spent as much time making Christ King and proclaiming His truth in the streets we would be better off.

I doubt these were from Idaho. They pay people and bus them in.

 

[ralliann]

Do you have any proof that the liberals speaking out don’t want a president, they want a king?

The whole point of propaganda is to turn positives into negatives. negatives into positives. or make them look the same so that no one can tell the difference.

Oh Geesh yes. We have been seeing that for years. What it has been over ten years that trump came on the scene. This country has seen all the propaganda and corruption enough from the marxists..

 

[BPPLEE]

As a Christian standing on the sidelines I find it interesting and amusing.

The ongoing fixation on one man. First he was a fascist and Nazi and everything else under the sun. Now he's a King lol. What next Willy Wonka. Actually thats probably not a bad description lol.

In some ways it is the people who are fixated that are making him a King. They keep saying it until they believe it. They dedicate time and effort to make it an issue in their life that it controls their thinking.

If they spent as much time making Christ King and proclaiming His truth in the streets we would be better off.

Maybe there should be a One King rally, one king-Jesus

 

[Fervent]

It seems to me the more pressing issue should be the syncretism that is happening with Republicanism being equated with Christianity. It seems to me that such political posturing shows far too much comfort with secular power for a faith that is at least partially tasked with speaking truth to power. The no kings rally is a purely political protest, and so doesn't really demand a specific Christian response other than possibly engaging with the protesters regarding the gospel message that while injustice and oppression may be the order of the day, God is aware and will avenge the poor.

 

[ChubbyCherub]

Someone at church asked me three times what I thought of Trump because I refused to be engaged in a political discussion.

I finally answered and said, "I don't pay attention to the jobs of others. All I know is Jesus Christ is King."

 

[bèlla]

I think it’s more important to devote our energies to prayer in response to the government than otherwise. For example, you could challenge yourself to say a prayer for every comment you post on the subject. That’s using your voice where it matters most.

*Note: The following services will not be funded in November if the shutdown hasn’t ended by October 31st. SNAP (adults, children, seniors, and disabled), WIC (formula and food for infants and modest staples) the school lunch program (free and reduced price meals) and The Emergency Food Assistance Program (TEFAP) which supports food banks.

~bella

 

[childeye 2]

Oh Geesh yes. We have been seeing that for years. What it has been over ten years that trump came on the scene. This country has seen all the propaganda and corruption enough from the marxists..

You said yes to this question --> "Do you have any proof that the liberals speaking out don’t want a president, they want a king?" So, where is the evidence that the liberals speaking out don't want a president, they want a king?

 

[.Mikha'el.]

I honestly am not giving them any heed. Like the vast majority of other such demonstrations, these events are nothing more than a giant show of virtue signalling that seek nothing more than to flaunt one's perceived moral superiority against the person or issue being protested. These people have absolutely no solutions to propose, will achieve absolutely nothing but giving the participants gooshy feelings about themselves, and in many cases, haven't even really identified a specific matter to protest about. For the most part, all they're doing is chanting empty slogans, carrying around signs and banners with more empty slogans, and making speeches that do nothing but call the members of the current US administration nasty names. Really not worth my time, or anyone else's. They will say "But we made our voices heard!" Who cares? Nothing is going to happen as a result.

 

[stevevw]

It seems to me the more pressing issue should be the syncretism that is happening with Republicanism being equated with Christianity. It seems to me that such political posturing shows far too much comfort with secular power for a faith that is at least partially tasked with speaking truth to power. The no kings rally is a purely political protest, and so doesn't really demand a specific Christian response other than possibly engaging with the protesters regarding the gospel message that while injustice and oppression may be the order of the day, God is aware and will avenge the poor.

I think things have changed. Though I disagree with mixing politics with religion that is how it seems to be going for both sides. Its really a cultural and sociological phenomena that the mindset or consciousness of people are making everything about moral truth and who is the ultimate ruler or should there be any moral laws that govern and order society.

But this is something subjective. People are claiming moral and spiritual truths even when not religious.

This is what is happening in the culture wars. The political has become the personal and in becoming the personal it will fundementally become the moral, religious and spiritual.

That is why people are so desperate and passionate and angry and even violent. Because it is now seen as a matter of life and death. Its become deeply personal and not just politics or religion. They have merged into one phenomena.

In doing so this has created a battle between beliefs and ideologies. Naturally the most obvious being Jews and Christians in the West as the target for attack.

So IMO its not just that Christians are making it about Christianity. Its that also non Christians and other religions that are rising and making this about the truth of belief and morals. Who is ultimately King of our world.

But I don't think Trump even sees it this way. Like the Nazi label this is those who are fixated on Trump. But we know this is not just about Trump but a belief and ideaology about how the world should be ordered. We see this with the many labels and even anger and violence for what Trump stands for. Whether that be Kirk, or other attacks on churches or Jews or conservatives.

Thats not to say that Trump or the conservatives hold the truth either. This is just the way all grups are going. Christ is not in any of them. Though there are aspects of conservatives that align with Christs truths. Though fighting over the constitution can align with God. But no religion or political ideology are specifically of Gods Kingdom.

Perhaps this is how it has to go from the cultivation of alternative ideologies that oppose God. We use to as nations unite under God. Christ was our King. But in the last 60 odd years we have rejected God from the public square. I think it inevitable that at some time the two worldviews would clash.

 

[Fervent]

I think things have changed. Though I disagree with mixing politics with religion that is how it seems to be going for both sides. Its really a cultural and sociological phenomena that the mindset or consciousness of people are making everything about moral truth and who is the ultimate ruler or should there be any moral laws that govern and order society.

But this is something subjective. People are claiming moral and spiritual truths even when not religious.

This is what is happening in the culture wars. The political has become the personal and in becoming the personal it will fundementally become the moral, religious and spiritual.

That is why people are so desperate and passionate and angry and even violent. Because it is now seen as a matter of life and death. Its become deeply personal and not just politics or religion. They have merged into one phenomena.

In doing so this has created a battle between beliefs and ideologies. Naturally the most obvious being Jews and Christians in the West as the target for attack.

So IMO its not just that Christians are making it about Christianity. Its that also non Christians and other religions that are rising and making this about the truth of belief and morals. Who is ultimately King of our world.

But I don't think Trump even sees it this way. Like the Nazi label this is those who are fixated on Trump. But we know this is not just about Trump but a belief and ideaology about how the world should be ordered. We see this with the many labels and even anger and violence for what Trump stands for. Whether that be Kirk, or other attacks on churches or Jews or conservatives.

Thats not to say that Trump or the conservatives hold the truth either. This is just the way all grups are going. Christ is not in any of them. Though there are aspects of conservatives that align with Christs truths. Though fighting over the constitution can align with God. But none are specifically of Christ but expressions of Christs truth as opposed to the worlds truth.

Perhaps this is how it has to go from the cultivation of alternative ideologies that oppose God. We use to as nations unite under God. Christ was our King. But in the last 60 odd years we have rejected God from the public square. I think it inevitable that at some time the two worldviews would clash.

Moral authority is inseparable from politics, but the issue isn't that people are injecting their religious beliefs into politics or being guided in their political beliefs by their religion but that they're treating it as if being a republican and being a Christian are identical, and more often than not it's Christ who's supposed to shut up and go along for the ride. I see this as a bigger issue not because of some culture war, but just as Paul believed that the Cretans needed greater censure because there was truth to what they said, where this syncretic confusion is in agreement with Biblical values makes it more dangerous and requiring greater concern. Very few people are going to confuse progressive values with Christian values, even when progressives adopt Christ's moral authority to forward their political values.

 

[stevevw]

Lol I found this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/1oap02f

 

[stevevw]

As a Christian I see nothing amusing about it. Thes protesters are expressing their opposition as citizens against what they view as oppression and injustice. I don't believe it's the Spirit of Christ laughing at these people.

Fair enough. I was only making a social observation of how humans make gods themselves of their ideas and morals. That fundementally this is what its all about.

Yes they have a right which sort of proves that what they are claiming is not actually happening. They are able to protest and no facist regime is stopping them.

There are legitimate concerns that this one man along with his supporters (many who are Billionaires) are trying to consolidate power and undermine the intentions of the U.S. Constitution, including the rights of citizens.

And is this the reality. I mean he was only voted in not long ago on these very policies. Sure if people are stepping over the line and abusing power then yes call them out. But what I am seeing fundementally is about ideological differences.

People at these protests are saying stuff like Trump and Kirks beliefs are hateful and not not be allowed. When it comes down to it this is not about justice or equality but an ideological conflict.

I find this statement to be expressing a mockery meant to imply none of the above are valid fears. Is that what you mean to do? Is this the Spirit of Christ being expressed here?

No of course not. But Christ called out those who distorted or dennied the truth. If you think that anyones protest is legitimate, or that political action is legitimate then this is not Christ fullstop. So by giving legitimacy to the protestors who are actually wanting a change in power. Then you are also supporting a political ideology.

Thats why I don;t support either party and think that they both are taking us to hell. But my point is this is no longer about equality, fairness, rights ect but an ideological belief. You can see it in the passion and anger and violence that comes out of this.

This above is contradictory reasoning. The people who support the constitution and subsequently the separation of powers would be rightly concerned with the dangers of centralizing power.

Yet they were not concerned when they were in power. Both sides do it.

Christ's authority comes from above, so it would be wrong to infer that people have a say in the matter. And just because people want the Constitution to be followed and therefore don't want a King Trump running the country, doesn't mean they're not defending the faith.

Its the assumption that Trump is acting like a King. They has been a false narratve from the start when Trump was made out to be a Hitler and facist the first time and nothing happened. Then it began again and we seen all the bipatisan politics of false narratives even to the point of painting a target on Trumps back.

Hense the assassintaion attemps which are still being made. This continued with Kirk and now some are saying he deserved it. That what he stood for should be stopped. But Trump and KIrks beliefs and ideas are shared by many. They are more or less saying stop all those who agree with Trump and KIrk.

Anyway thats how I see it from the side lines.

 

[stevevw]

Moral authority is inseparable from politics, but the issue isn't that people are injecting their religious beliefs into politics or being guided in their political beliefs by their religion but that they're treating it as if being a republican and being a Christian are identical, and more often than not it's Christ who's supposed to shut up and go along for the ride.

Ok so US politics is deeply mixed with religion. Or the US is deeply mixed with religion. But I understand the difference with say Australia or maybe England or even Canada. Theres a long tradition of religion while there is also a strong independence which is based on the constitution of freedoms, rights and democracy.

Which are sort of transcedent truth principles we should all support and happen to align with Christian values. Even the freedom to hold alternative beliefs under freewill as a Christian must come to God freely but have the choice not to.

So even though we have different belief ideologies there are certain transcedent truth which we hold up as values or morals as the basis for society and the nation.

The problem I see is that under the right to hold different beliefs and morals it means all beliefs are welcome in the public square. The State never aligns with one belief religion or ideology over another. Yet I think this is unreal as we would not support say Sharia laws.

Nevertheless as rational and moral creatures we recognise some moral truths. The problem I see is what happens when both sides or maybe 3 or 4 ideological groups or parties both claim they are the truth. They represent the good of the nation and consitution.

I see this as a bigger issue not because of some culture war, but just as Paul believed that the Cretans needed greater censure because there was truth to what they said, where this syncretic confusion is in agreement with Biblical values makes it more dangerous and requiring greater concern. Very few people are going to confuse progressive values with Christian values, even when progressives adopt Christ's moral authority to forward their political values.

Then why are more and more Jewish and Christians being targeted. Why is the rhetoric still similar to before the election against Trump. The same narratives that the opposing beliefs by TRump or Kirk supporters should be stopped and even shot down. One third of Uni students believe that violence is a legitimate means to stop others with oppsing beliefs they think are hateful.

They call KIrks, Trumps and all those who agree as hateful. So is this not cultivating a dangerous climate and thats why we are seeing an increase in violence and assassination attempts. Believe me there will be more. How many before the climate settles. How long before Jews and Christians are targets because Christian values seem to also align with what people say they hate.

I think Christians and the church of Christ should be seperated and even insulated from the world and politics. Just go about seperately doing Christs stuff and examples and say very little. Though they also need to proclaim Christs truth and the gospel which is getting harder nowadays in the public square without being attacked. So maybe they are linked.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

What the protesters fail to realize is that Kings aren't elected, but presidents like Trump are.

The voters elected Trump as president, and he only gets to serve this term and the voters
elected a new president in 2028. Not so Kings, they inherit their crown for the most part.

 

[Servus]

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[ChubbyCherub]

I pray for all of humanity to remove themselves from the cult of politics and remember the true King. It does not matter what politician is in power. There will always be someone there with good intention, for self and others, and someone with the opposite intent.

That is not our concern. Our concern should only be living as Christ told us to live and making disciples of the world.

Any reasons given to justify extreme emotion and involvement in politics is just an excuse to validate behavior that is not in accordance with Christ led principles and principals.

No government on Earth, at any time, was ever Christ led so let us not pretend that our involvement is due to our attempts at dismantling or preventing a threat to our Christian way of life.

Every social everything is a threat to our Christian way of life. Always has been, always will be, and society and its whims will always be guiding those who allow themselves to be distracted by worldly things.

 

[ralliann]

You said yes to this question --> "Do you have any proof that the liberals speaking out don’t want a president, they want a king?" So, where is the evidence that the liberals speaking out don't want a president, they want a king?

They ignore the constitution, and the law. We have been watching it for years now. They bus in their violent supporters to make a show of every little thing that does not go their way.

 

[childeye 2]

Fair enough. I was only making a social observation of how humans make gods themselves of their ideas and morals. That fundementally this is what its all about.

I'm observing a protest against the undermining of the Constitution. The desire to not want a King is the same desire intent upon preserving the separation of powers and a representative government by the people and for the people.

Yes they have a right which sort of proves that what they are claiming is not actually happening. They are able to protest and no facist regime is stopping them.

I don't see anyone at these protests claiming a fascist regime is stopping them from protesting. It would be disingenuous to mischaracterize that these people are claiming a fascist regime is stopping them from protesting and then criticize the legitimacy of their protests based on that mischaracterization.

And is this the reality. I mean he was only voted in not long ago on these very policies. Sure if people are stepping over the line and abusing power then yes call them out. But what I am seeing fundementally is about ideological differences.

What if I said the reality of the Trump administration is based on an unreality? Would you understand me?

This is the reality --> There is a deception where people are being told in so many words that some are voting to make America great again and others are voting against making America great again. The actual meaning of what 'GREAT' entails is whatever Trump says it is since it is the Logo he pushes as his credo. It's not ideological.

People at these protests are saying stuff like Trump and Kirks beliefs are hateful and not not be allowed. When it comes down to it this is not about justice or equality but an ideological conflict.

The corporate owned media is largely controlled by a handful of billionaires, and it is being used to shape public opinion. I'm pretty sure I can find people expressing sentiments like you are describing, but that doesn't mean it's an accurate depiction of the event.

No of course not. But Christ called out those who distorted or dennied the truth. If you think that anyones protest is legitimate, or that political action is legitimate then this is not Christ fullstop. So by giving legitimacy to the protestors who are actually wanting a change in power. Then you are also supporting a political ideology.

"If you think anyone's protest is legitimate, or that political action is legitimate, then this is not Christ". <-- This ends in a contradictory reasoning when compared to this --> "Sure if people are stepping over the line and abusing power then yes call them out".

Thats why I don;t support either party and think that they both are taking us to hell. But my point is this is no longer about equality, fairness, rights ect but an ideological belief. You can see it in the passion and anger and violence that comes out of this.

That's not what I see. I see a spiritual war where one must persevere in the faith that there is an incorruptible Love that is Eternal, and one will be persecuted by those who are ruled by deception. Therefore, all lies in the moral/immoral paradigm would serve to usurp from and subsequently undermine Love God with all your heart mind and soul and your neighbor as yourself.

Yet they were not concerned when they were in power. Both sides do it.

That's inaccurate.

Citizens United vs FEC was a case brought before the supreme court where a 5 to 4 ruling allowed unlimited amounts of dark money into campaign superPACs in support of the argument that to not do so was inhibiting free speech regardless of the precedent of limits set forth by the FEC. In essence it was a shift towards autocracy wherein both parties would ultimately end up having to compete for rich corporate donors in order to have a viable chance of winning an election.

Please note that the democratic appointed justices all voted against Citizens united and the Republican appointed justices all voted in favor of citizens united.

These were the justices who voted in favor of superPACS and for the move to autocracy:

• Anthony Kennedy (authored the majority opinion)
• John Roberts (Chief Justice)
• Antonin Scalia
• Samuel Alito
• Clarence Thomas

These were the four justices who voted in favor of the FEC and against the move towards autocracy.

• Justice John Paul Stevens wrote the principal dissent, arguing that corporations are not "We the People" and should therefore not have the same free speech rights of individuals. He warned that the ruling risked undermining the integrity of elected institutions by enabling disproportionate corporate influence on elections.
• Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg joined the dissent and famously criticized the decision as the Court’s worst under Chief Justice Roberts, emphasizing concerns about money’s outsized role in politics.
• Justice Stephen Breyer also dissented, sharing similar concerns about the decision's implications for political equality and the potential for corruption.
• Justice Sonia Sotomayor

Its the assumption that Trump is acting like a King.

It's a fact that Trump is using his power to punish political opposition even corrupting the DOJ which is supposed to be apolitical. He also desires loyalty to him personally rather than to the constitution.

For example, Trump claims that he KNOWS the 2020 election was rigged and stolen by "democratic far left radicals" even though that has been debunked many times over. Nonetheless, if a person doesn't agree with his contention that the 2020 election was stolen from him, then that person cannot serve in his administration.

Donald Trump even signed an executive order specifically aimed at Chris Krebs involving the revocation of his security clearance and initiating an investigation into his official actions. Why? Because Krebs reported that the 2020 election was the most secure election in American history.

We've seen Trump's DOJ send people to a prison in El Salvador without any trial.

Trump fired the commissioner of the bureau of labor statistics because the bureau released a jobs report showing the U.S. economy added 73,000 jobs, which was well below expectations, and which also revised May and June job gains downward by a combined 258,000 jobs.

More recently, Trump fired an AG who refused to bring charges against former head of the FBI James Comey.

For me, as a Christian, I am deeply bothered by the treatment of immigrants being documented by citizens. I keep thinking about Jesus saying when you saw me naked you clothed me and when you saw me hungry you fed me, and that what you do unto the least of my brethren, you do unto me.

 

[childeye 2]

They ignore the constitution, and the law.

Proof?

We have been watching it for years now. They bus in their violent supporters to make a show of every little thing that does not go their way.

One can always show busses either chartered or simply ferrying people from parking lots. It doesn't prove these are illegitimate protesters.