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9/11 Truth for Dummies: Wrap Your Head Around One Thing

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The biggest piece of evidence supporting the facts that September 11th was a terrorist attack and not some super secret inside job perpetrated by George Bush, Dick Cheney, the US Government, the Israelis, and the Illuminati is right here. If there was one piece of real actual evidence that could remotely prove that it was an inside job, all the moon bats posting that it was would have been eliminated long ago.

The thing they can’t answer is what happened to the pilots and crews of the plains, the passengers, the guy that flew the drone/cruse missile into the pentagon, the hundreds of demolition experts that rigged the explosives, the pilots that shot down flight 93, the guy that developed the hologram that looked like planes flying, the guys that put the mind control drugs into the water supply so everyone in New York that day would have the same hallucination, the guys at the photo booths that digitally added plains to peoples pictures they took that day, the list goes on. All that from a guy that couldn’t say nuk-clear and lye-berry.

I didn't realize there were ones out there denying that the planes were real. They must be the moonbats squared group. My understanding is that most claim the planes were a smokescreen.

But I do wonder about the guys who placed the explosives. How come they were never seen and never talked. Heck for that matter with 100 I don't think it was done in a day or a week. Even if they were somehow a perfect group of scum (and scum I mean as if they existed they had to know what the explosives would do and that the building is pretty much never empty) what about wives and girlfriends. So they didn't talk, but they would have been gone for a few weeks and one would think that after the fact at least a couple would have nasty break-ups and or have a GF who began to suspect.

OH and the huge thing. If Bush and Co set this up, why was their subsequent action so restrained?

As a conspiracy it makes a lot more sense to blame a dark side of the Democratic party trying to give Bush a black eye. (I said a lot more sense, as in not quite as insane, not believable)
 
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I have even heard the argumet:
If you think DYNAMIC loads are not important take the challenge of even a 10kg weight dropped from 12ft (WTC story height)and try and catch it. WE WILL SEND THE FLOWERS.

I say: How about dropping 10kg weight 12ft and having 70 people stacked vertically (like the 70 floors of undamaged building were) try to catch that weight?

I'm pretty confident that the weight would be caught way above the ground.

70 people wouldn't be catching it - only the guy on top would. The other people would be holding up the people above them.

The argument as stated is that if you drop something from a height of 12 feet, it will be moving at about 19 miles per hour by the time it reaches the ground. It doesn't matter whether it is a single brick or a 30 story building. After falling 12 feet it will be moving at about 19 mph.

I'm going to assume your numbers are correct, but either way, that's the general principle.

So if the lower 79 floors are strong enough to support a stationary 31 story building, do you think they will be strong enough to support a 31 story building falling at 19 mph?

Not necessarily, no. This is why everybody's making the distinction between static forces and dynamic forces. Dynamic forces are why hammers, pile drivers, impact wrenches, baseball bats, etc are effective. It's why falling on the sidewalk can kill you, but laying on it won't. Movement (and the corresponding stop at the end) imparts a LOT of energy.

Also, that 19mph would only be after the first floor. As the material falls further, it will pick up speed.

That's what I'm looking into.

We've already provided you with this information. If you want to know more about it, ask.

I honestly believe there are factors that the naysayers are not considering.

You believe that these factors exist, because you don't understand math or physics - even stuff as basic as what's been presented in this thread (i.e. stuff that'd be covered at the high school level). You still express skepticism because you have no basis on which to evaluate the competing claims. You are completely ignorant.

(1) The 'pancake theory' is ridiculous. The WTC did not pancake. They were completely pulverized into an indiscriminate pile of smoldering rubble.

1.) I don't think you understand what is meant by the "pancake theory".

2.) AFAIK, the official report discounted the pancake theory anyways.

(2) The structural make up of the towers is seen is completely inconsequential to it's collapse.

Nobody says that the structure of the building is inconsequential. That you believe that highlights either your ignorance or your dishonesty.

(a) The floors 31 floors falling onto the remaining 79 floors are likewise constructed, and use the same materials. To say they were able to completely smash threw the reaming building unimpeded is crazy.

Who says it was "unimpeded"?

The WTC flooring was a very heavy duty set of cross braced Vierendeel trusses.

One of the reasons It is important to point this out is that the collum, perimiter wall, and the floor trussing was made to work in concert in carrying the entier load, and stresses of the building. In a starnderd building the colum and outer skin would carry th weight of the flooring, but in the WTC the flooring was part of the structures rigidity, and had it's part in sharing laterail, horizotial, and twisting loads. Meaing this, the flooring was not just suspended weight. It was part of the load bearing structer. Energy that affected any one point of the building would be absourbed by all thre systems at the same time.

What do lateral loads have to do with this? Do you know what a lateral load is?

(4) No consideration is given to how much energy (force) is dissapated in the destruction of an object. I have heard staments that oveR 4.1 billion joules OR 3,319,073,609 pound-force/foot² = 23,049,122 psi of energy would have built up from the falling structer before it hit the building underneith it. That means it would only take an affected are of 434.89 Sq inches in the 53,000 psi rated center colum to absorb that impact.

If you could perfectly direct all of that energy onto a solid block of steel with a surface area of 435 sq in, you might have a point.

But that energy wasn't all focused on the core columns, was it?
 
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70 people wouldn't be catching it - only the guy on top would. The other people would be holding up the people above them.

I do see how I could have written this a little more clearly, but I was reefing to an argument from two other people:

I have even heard the argumet:
If you think DYNAMIC loads are not important take the challenge of even a 10kg weight dropped from 12ft (WTC story height)and try and catch it. WE WILL SEND THE FLOWERS.

I say: How about dropping 10kg weight 12ft and having 70 people stacked vertically (like the 70 floors of undamaged building were) try to catch that weight?

I'm pretty confident that the weight would be caught way above the ground.

I'm going to assume your numbers are correct, but either way, that's the general principle.

No need to assume. There are plenty of people who will call me on it if I'm wrong.


Not necessarily, no. This is why everybody's making the distinction between static forces and dynamic forces. Dynamic forces are why hammers, pile drivers, impact wrenches, baseball bats, etc are effective. It's why falling on the sidewalk can kill you, but laying on it won't. Movement (and the corresponding stop at the end) imparts a LOT of energy.

I also agree it would not be completely stopped. There would be major damage.

Also, that 19mph would only be after the first floor. As the material falls further, it will pick up speed.

This is where the entire argument gets stupid. An object that has just meet resistance is slowed by that resistance.

A static dropped object is a solid object, initially at rest, that falls from its original position under its own weight only gaining momentum from gravity. The top floors could only gain speed from falling, but the resistance they met would have gotten greater due to the construction of the building being more robust the further down the tower it made.

Also the same forces applied to the towers would also be applied to the falling floors, and the 4.1 billion joules of impact would damage the falling floors, breaking them up.


We've already provided you with this information. If you want to know more about it, ask.

Ok

Who says it was "unimpeded"?

Everyone naysaying me thus far has stated a moving object hitting a static non moving object speeds up as it passes thru it. This is foolish. Even an object that breaks off from the impact can only be thrown with a force less than the initial impact.



What do lateral loads have to do with this? Do you know what a lateral load is?

Thermal expansion, and contraction of steel is a lateral load. 911... big plane go boom.... fire..... remember?

Even day to night, and seasons expand and contract steel. There are other lateral loads like wind, and seismic activity. but heat is what I'm referring to.

If you could perfectly direct all of that energy onto a solid block of steel with a surface area of 435 sq in, you might have a point.

But that energy wasn't all focused on the core columns, was it?

No, an well that is part of my point. If just 435 sq. inches is required to stop the entire force of the destruction raining down upon it, where dose the energy to destroy that column come form?
 
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I didn't realize there were ones out there denying that the planes were real. They must be the moonbats squared group. My understanding is that most claim the planes were a smokescreen.

But I do wonder about the guys who placed the explosives. How come they were never seen and never talked. Heck for that matter with 100 I don't think it was done in a day or a week. Even if they were somehow a perfect group of scum (and scum I mean as if they existed they had to know what the explosives would do and that the building is pretty much never empty) what about wives and girlfriends. So they didn't talk, but they would have been gone for a few weeks and one would think that after the fact at least a couple would have nasty break-ups and or have a GF who began to suspect.

OH and the huge thing. If Bush and Co set this up, why was their subsequent action so restrained?

As a conspiracy it makes a lot more sense to blame a dark side of the Democratic party trying to give Bush a black eye. (I said a lot more sense, as in not quite as insane, not believable)

This post can explain about why they wont talk.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7769222-14/#post64053589


Check out my other post for clips discussing every thing you just brought up.
 
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This is where the entire argument gets stupid. An object that has just meet resistance is slowed by that resistance.

How do you know what's "stupid," when you can't even follow the basic algebra that's already been presented in this thread. You have no knowledge on which to determine what is or isn't "stupid."

A static dropped object is a solid object, initially at rest, that falls from its original position under its own weight only gaining momentum from gravity. The top floors could only gain speed from falling, but the resistance they met would have gotten greater due to the construction of the building being more robust the further down the tower it made.

You keep talking about this, but you haven't said how much greater resistance would they have met, nor have you said how much energy would have been needed to collapse those floors. What are the numbers?

Until you can start talking numbers and equations, you're just guessing.

Also the same forces applied to the towers would also be applied to the falling floors, and the 4.1 billion joules of impact would damage the falling floors, breaking them up.

Yep. That's why they failed.


Everyone naysaying me thus far has stated a moving object hitting a static non moving object speeds up as it passes thru it. This is foolish.

No. Everyone says that an object falling through space speeds up the further it falls. Obviously, hitting something is going to impart some resistance to that acceleration, but how much resistance depends on the different properties (mass, density, speed, rigidity, strength, etc) of both the falling body and the obstruction.

Even an object that breaks off from the impact can only be thrown with a force less than the initial impact.

I'm not sure what your point was with this sentence, but this collapse is not analogous to, say, a car crash, where the force of acceleration stops being applied at the moment of the initial impact. In the WTC collapse, the objects kept accelerating after the initial floor collapsed, because gravity continued to pull them downward until they either reached terminal velocity or hit the ground (technically, gravity was still pulling them downward after they hit the ground, but at the point, the ground was pushing back with equal force)

Thermal expansion, and contraction of steel is a lateral load. 911... big plane go boom.... fire..... remember?

Even day to night, and seasons expand and contract steel. There are other lateral loads like wind, and seismic activity. but heat is what I'm referring to.

That's an interesting perspective. How much lateral load did a fire impart onto the building? I don't think you understand what the term means.

No, an well that is part of my point. If just 435 sq. inches is required to stop the entire force of the destruction raining down upon it, where dose the energy to destroy that column come form?

Because not all of that energy is evenly distributed or directed in the direction in which the steel is that strong. Materials have different strength ratings for different kinds of forces. Read this: Strength of materials - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What I believe you're quoting is the compressive strength of the steel, but relying solely on that number is faulty, because compression isn't the only type of stress involved in a collapse like this. If it were, then no bridge would ever collapse from overloading, because the steel itself could easily withstand the weight. You would know this if you'd experimented with the bridge building game I linked to earlier. In it, you can watch the compressive and tensile stresses change over time as the train crosses the bridge.
 
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Here is the truth about 9/11.

There was a conspiracy - a group of Muslim extremists conspired to attack America and they caught us with our guard down.

That's it. The official explanation is true. You can now move on with your life. You don't need to find alternative explanations to the tragic attack from 12 years ago. The government isn't to blame.
 
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Here is the truth about 9/11.

There was a conspiracy - a group of Muslim extremists conspired to attack America and they caught us with our guard down.

That's it. The official explanation is true. You can now move on with your life. You don't need to find alternative explanations to the tragic attack from 12 years ago. The government isn't to blame.


Judging from the pictures you post, I doubt that you have a basis for your opinion?? Please, not more outrageous pictures.
 
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Judging from the pictures you post, I doubt that you have a basis for your opinion?? Please, not more outrageous pictures.

The basis for my opinion is fact.

On September 11, 2001, 19 militants associated with the Islamic extremist group al-Qaeda hijacked four airliners and carried out suicide attacks against targets in the United States. Two of the planes were flown into the towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, a third plane hit the Pentagon just outside Washington, D.C., and the fourth plane crashed in a field in Pennsylvania. Often referred to as 9/11, the attacks resulted in extensive death and destruction, triggering major U.S. initiatives to combat terrorism and defining the presidency of George W. Bush. Over 3,000 people were killed during the attacks in New York City and Washington, D.C., including more than 400 police officers and firefighters.

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How do you know what's "stupid," when you can't even follow the basic algebra that's already been presented in this thread. You have no knowledge on which to determine what is or isn't "stupid."



You keep talking about this, but you haven't said how much greater resistance would they have met, nor have you said how much energy would have been needed to collapse those floors. What are the numbers?

Until you can start talking numbers and equations, you're just guessing....

You don't need algebra to know that someone going 150 MPH is breaking the speed limit. Nothing can fall at the acceleration of 10 meters per second, per second (10m/s^2) except through thin air. Those floors weren't punching through tissue paper.

If the towers weren't thin air or tissue paper, then how did they "fall" at approximately the same speed as a mass falling through air? The snow job is that the weight of the floors accumulated and therefore went faster and faster. But heavier things don't go faster than lighter things. That's basic Galileo, as the main post explains. They can only go slower as they meet resistance, and stop.

And the final evidence is the photos showing that the towers DIDN'T fall down after all. They got blown OUT. That's what you see in the close up video, and in the aerial photo showing the clean-cut steel beams flung out for over two football fields.

It's right in front of our eyes. It takes an incredible effort to keep from seeing it. How many times are you official story defenders going to pretend I didn't present this common sense, plain-as-day evidence and keep talking about algebra?

[youtube]HIi0I5v5ZXw[/youtube]


Close up of steel debris
Sept. 23, 2001 Aeriel Photo of World Trade Center, 911 Truth





Sept. 23, 2001 Aeriel Photo of World Trade Center, 911 Truth



Physicist Dr. David Chandler explains:
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You don't need algebra to know that someone going 150 MPH is breaking the speed limit. Nothing can fall at the acceleration of 10 meters per second, per second (10m/s^2) except through thin air. Those floors weren't punching through tissue paper.

Who said that they were falling at that speed?

If the towers weren't thin air or tissue paper, then how did they "fall" at approximately the same speed as a mass falling through air?

What's your idea of "approximately the same speed"? How much resistance should these floors have provided?

The snow job is that the weight of the floors accumulated and therefore went faster and faster. But heavier things don't go faster than lighter things. That's basic Galileo, as the main post explains. They can only go slower as they meet resistance, and stop.

Wrong. Heavier things (actually, denser thing) are better able to overcome any drag forces on their acceleration. That's why a pound of lead will fall faster than a pound of feathers - the lead is denser, which means it has less surface area on which air can resist its gravitational acceleration.

It's more complicated when you've got solid objects penetrating each other (things like rigidity come into play), but the idea is still the same. As the falling material accumulated in mass, it would have been better able to punch through subsequent floors.

Also, it will only slow down and stop if the resistance of a particular floor slows the falling projectile enough so that it doesn't regain at least that much momentum in the time it takes to fall to the next floor.

For example, it was stated earlier in the thread, that after falling one floor, an object would be travelling 19mph. If punching through the floor slowed the falling mass by, say, 15mph, that means the falling mass would still have 4mph of velocity as it begins its journey from the 1st floor to the 2nd. Because it has more initial velocity when travelling from the first floor to the secondthean it did when travelling from its starting point to the first floor, its speed when it reaches the 2nd floor is going to be greater than 19mph. If floor 1 wasn't strong enough to stop it going 19mph, there's a good change that floor 2 isn't going to be able to stop it (plus whatever mass it picked up along the way) going at some speed greater than 19mph.
 
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Your right, I don't know Jack about algebra, and what not, But I don't' have to know jack. We live in the age of the inter web. All I have to do is find out want units of force are used, the quantity of force, and what formula is need to complete the equation, and I can plug it into one of the thousands of conversion and/or scientific calculators online. Plenty of formulas, and algorithms are on the web for dynamic forces, constructial loads, stress points, and even force needed to pulverize a material. All I need is a basic understanding, and the ability to press 'enter' after I put the numbers in the calculator.

The rest is semantics.

Consider the following: if the pancaking effect caused the total building failure, why is it that no video of either of the WTC collapses shows any sign of stutter between floor collapses, which should have been very apparent especially in the first few floors of collapse when the speed of gravitational collapse was small? Consider also that apologists for the official conspiracy theory propose that 30% of the gravitational collapse energy was necessary to create the pyroclastic cloud of debris: that is, in their own analysis, this energy came out of the gravitational energy. This means that the time of fall would have been slowed further than what was observed. When a body of mass m falls from a height h, acted upon by gravitational acceleration g, it converts its potential energy PE = m x g x h into kinetic energy KE = (1/2) x m x v2. Here h = (1/2) x g x t2, t = time of fall, and v = g x t, where v = velocity. Removal of 30% of the PE to pulverize concrete essentially reduces the amount of energy available from falling, effectively reducing the gravitational acceleration to something less than g.

Substituting, in the above equations we have (1.0 - 0.3) x PE = 0.7 x PE = m x G x h, where PE, m and h are as before and G = the effective gravitational acceleration. Hence, comparing terms for PE, G = 0.7 x g. The time of collapse under G will also increase. If we let the effective collapse time be T, then comparing terms for constant h,

(1/2) x g x t2 = (1/2) x G x T2 = (1/2) x 0.7 x g x T2.

Hence, t2 = 0.7 x T2, or (t/T) = (0.7)1/2 = 0.837. Or, T = 1.195 t.

(Wow!!, Pretty amazing what a redneck idiot can come up with, with the right tools form the internet.:thumbsup:)

Now the observed time t = 10 seconds (a free fall time, the fastest possible time under g = 9.8 m/sec2 = 32 ft/sec2 = 32 ft/s2). For the cloud debris creation to absorb 30% of the gravitational energy, the observed time of fall would be 10s x 1.195, or almost 12 seconds. This long a collapse time was observed by no one. Clearly, there are serious flaws in the official explanation.








The official media/government theorists may propose a figure of 30%, but Jim Hoffman (October 16th, 2003) actually calculates that:
  • 111,000 KWH is generated by the collapse of each tower (mass = 1.97 x 1011 grams falling average of 207 meters)
  • 135,000 KWH is needed to crush the concrete (9 x 1010 grams to 60 micron powder)
  • 2,682,000 KWH is needed to create the dust cloud (this assumes a sufficient source of water or this figure increases dramatically)
which means that 122% of the gravitational collapse energy was necessary just to pulverize the concrete (let alone create the dust cloud), that is, more energy was needed just to pulverize the concrete than was generated by the collapse.


SO again: WHERE DID ALL THIS ENERGY COME FROM SINCE THE FALLING FLOORS DID NOT PRODUCE IT?

We still go back to my original argument also:

The core was designed to support the entire weight of the buildings several times over. Far more than a mere "service core", it comprised of 47 steel box columns tied together at each floor by steel plates, similar to the 52" deep spandrel plates that tied the perimeter columns together. The largest of these core columns were 18"x36", with steel walls 4" thick near the base and tapering in thickness toward the top, and was anchored directly to the bedrock.

The outer box, measuring 208 feet by 208 feet (63x63 m), was made up of 14-inch (36-cm) wide steel columns, 59 per building face, spaced just over 3 feet (1 m) apart. On every floor above the plaza level, the spaces between the columns housed 22-inch (56-cm) windows. The columns were covered with aluminum, giving the towers a distinctive silver color. The inner box at the core of each tower measured about 135 feet by 85 feet (41x26 m). Its 47 heavy steel columns surrounded a large open area housing elevators, stairwells and restrooms.

No consideration is given to how much energy (force) is dissipated in the destruction of an object. I have heard statements that over 4.1 billion joules OR 3,319,073,609 pound-force/foot² = 23,049,122 psi of energy would have built up from the falling structure before it hit the building underneath it. That means it would only take an affected are of 434.89 Sq. inches in the 53,000 psi rated center Colum to absorb that impact.

We see that the inner column ALONE was 135 feet by 85 feet and contained 47, 53,000 psi rated steel beams. So.... how many Sq inches do you think are in that column? It only would need 434.89 to stop the falling floors dead.

Where did the massive force needed
to destroy this building come from?
 
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And the final evidence is the photos showing that the towers DIDN'T fall down after all. They got blown OUT.


So after all that "collapsed into it's own footprint" stuff, now you're saying it didn't?

You guys need to work on your conspiracy stories a little more.
 
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Wow.... you know, this sucks! I put in close to 30 hrs of research, learning formulations, making calculations, and finding out the structural make up of the WTC in order to make my last response.......... and nothing. Not one single engineer that was berating me did the formulations themselves in rebuttal.... just nothing.
 
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Wow.... you know, this sucks! I put in close to 30 hrs of research, learning formulations, making calculations, and finding out the structural make up of the WTC in order to make my last response.......... and nothing. Not one single engineer that was berating me did the formulations themselves in rebuttal.... just nothing.

I don't really blame them.

The 9/11 demolition conspiracies have been debunked time and time again.
 
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Wow.... you know, this sucks! I put in close to 30 hrs of research, learning formulations, making calculations, and finding out the structural make up of the WTC in order to make my last response.......... and nothing. Not one single engineer that was berating me did the formulations themselves in rebuttal.... just nothing.

What's left to rebut? You're treating all of these components as if they're solid steel blocks and all of the forces are pushing straight down on them. I've already pointed out to you on a couple occasions that you're not accounting for the direction of the forces or the shape & design of the structural members. I've provided several links to try to get you to appreciate the differences in types of material strength (e.g. compressive vs tensile, vs shear). I've provided physics simulators that help show how forces get transferred when loads shift.

And you've listened to NONE of it. You haven't even asked any questions to try to understand it better. Instead, you spent 30 hours compiling some numbers and some basic algebra while failing to grasp that you're not using the right formulas in the first place. You're obviously not interested in actually learning anything, just in convincing others that you're correct. I've been down this road with other truthers before; I don't really have the time to do it again.

That said, I'll give you one final illustration that may make my point:

I can (and regularly do) hold a 75 lb dumbbell at my side (i.e. arm perpendicular to the floor) w/o any struggle. Therefore, my arm is obviously strong enough to support 75 lb. However, I cannot hold that same dumbbell out to the side, arm's length away from my body (i.e. arm parallel to the floor).

Why not?

Once you figure that out, you might start to understand why your understanding of the WTC collapse is flawed.
 
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Your right, I don't know Jack about algebra, and what not, But I don't' have to know jack. We live in the age of the inter web...

This is why I won't bother responding. And as said, you have basically either ignored or don't understand what has already been posted. Reading stuff from the internet (without the background to know whether that information is valid or not) is not a replacement for an engineering degree. Do you really think it's as simple as you claim it is?

An MIT professor's reaction to the collapse, written in September 2001: http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/nr/2001/skyscrapers.pdf
 
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Still not one mathematical formula I can scrutinize. All I get is a bunch of people telling me how stupid I am. Talk, talk, talk, talk. Nag, nag, nag, nag. Do the calculations, factor in everything from resistance, to air humidity, to how much energy is needed to pulverize materials, the specific strengths of each material in the WTC etc., etc., etc...........

Prove to me this calculation is wrong:

(1/2) x g x t2 = (1/2) x G x T2 = (1/2) x 0.7 x g x T2.

Hence, t2 = 0.7 x T2, or (t/T) = (0.7)1/2 = 0.837. Or, T = 1.195 t.

or this one:

Now the observed time t = 10 seconds (a free fall time, the fastest possible time under g = 9.8 m/sec2 = 32 ft/sec2 = 32 ft/s2). For the cloud debris creation to absorb 30% of the gravitational energy, the observed time of fall would be 10s x 1.195, or almost 12 seconds.

Or show this is wrong:


The official media/government theorists may propose a figure of 30%, but Jim Hoffman (October 16th, 2003) actually calculates that:
  • 111,000 KWH is generated by the collapse of each tower (mass = 1.97 x 1011 grams falling average of 207 meters)
  • 135,000 KWH is needed to crush the concrete (9 x 1010 grams to 60 micron powder)
  • 2,682,000 KWH is needed to create the dust cloud (this assumes a sufficient source of water or this figure increases dramatically)
which means that 122% of the gravitational collapse energy was necessary just to pulverize the concrete (let alone create the dust cloud), that is, more energy was needed just to pulverize the concrete than was generated by the collapse.

Post your own mathematical findings so I can go over them with a Dr. in UCF the same way I inquired about my own calculations. We live in an educated age gentlemen, if I don't know how to do something, there is always someone with the ability, and the willingness to teach me. Post the math so it can be scrutinized. Prove my calculations wrong. If you prove me wrong I will conceded my point, and offer you an apology.
 
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