9/11 Truth for Dummies: Wrap Your Head Around One Thing

[cow451]

Ah...now that indeed is the pot meeting the kettle.

If you must insist focusing solely on the title as an insult toward those who have constantly and consistently "distorted facts, or promoted already-disproven ideas or engaged in reckless accusations against any and all people who do not believe the official story", perhaps you should start another thread about why that perception occurs.

The OP is presenting a math formula...that is what I perceive as the topic. Personal attacks distract from the topic and generate emotional responses, no matter which side of the debate you are on.

Hence the reason the title would not be appropriate for a true interest in discussion. Thanks for helping make my point.

 

[Zanting]

Hence the reason the title would not be appropriate for a true interest in discussion. Thanks for helping make my point.

Really?

The title is ambiguous...it could have come from those espousing the official conspiracy theory or, as is the case here, the other. Anyone who views the title has to read further to find out what is being called into question, and from which perspective. Clever...but anyway...

From your perspective the title "entitles" believers of the "official conspiracy theory" to react emotionally and justifies them to incite and inflame throughout the thread if they disagree with the OP. Your point.

OK, well how does that explain the many threads on this topic without an ambiguous title that receive the exact same response?

From my perspective, it doesn't matter what the title is regarding 9/11...those whose reality is grounded in the official conspiracy theory have almost without exception, called all those whose reality doesn't match theirs..."crazy" conspiracy theorists. As if they aren't also believing a "crazy" conspiracy theory themselves. And that is my point.

So whose point has been supported?

 

[cow451]

Really?

The title is ambiguous...it could have come from those espousing the official conspiracy theory or, as is the case here, the other. Anyone who views the title has to read further to find out what is being called into question, and from which perspective. Clever...but anyway...

From your perspective the title "entitles" believers of the "official conspiracy theory" to react emotionally and justifies them to incite and inflame throughout the thread if they disagree with the OP. Your point.

OK, well how does that explain the many threads on this topic without an ambiguous title that receive the exact same response?

From my perspective, it doesn't matter what the title is regarding 9/11...those whose reality is grounded in the official conspiracy theory have almost without exception, called all those whose reality doesn't match theirs..."crazy" conspiracy theorists. As if they aren't also believing a "crazy" conspiracy theory themselves. And that is my point.

So whose point has been supported?

Mine.

 

[Zanting]

Mine.

If you think so...

 

[cow451]

If you think so...

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

 

[Zanting]

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

We Remember 9/11...and We're Praying | More to BeMore to Be

 

[Btodd]

I'm not sure how you can state that the whole derogatory, conspiracy “nut” theory did not originate among the officials and the victims families right in NYC, USA…unless you simply don't believe what the families have publically reported.

Are you somehow under the impression that out of the almost 3000 victims' families, a large amount of them are Truthers? It started like all conspiracy theories start...an event happens, people start speculating on it, then speculation on top of other speculation, it grows and grows until it's a full-fledged conspiracy movement.

One conspiracy theory full of holes initiates another conspiracy theory to fill the holes...yup...that's just crazy.

The narrative I would provide for that day is not 'full of holes', unless you start ignoring things like science and real facts. I have yet to see any plausible Truther conspiracy theory that makes sense of that day, after 10 years of hearing about how it's a government conspiracy. Who flew the planes into the buildings? Where are the passengers who were on those flights? Why even bother going through such a complicated, unnecessary magic show if the ultimate goal is to go to war in Iraq? Why not just blow up the towers with a van at the base (which was tried years earlier and almost succeeded), show video that was captured of two Iraqis leaving the parked van there, tie them to Saddam, and...case closed. But no, the Truth movement would have us believe that it needed to involve multiple plane crashes, voice morphing, thermite PLUS demolition charges (that cannot be heard on any video/audio source), a missile at the Pentagon (when they already used planes at the Towers?), a shootdown in a remote field in Pennsylvania (of a plane that wasn't even hijacked? Who was flying it off-course?)...all of this involving hundreds-to-thousands of people, any of which could spill the beans later.

Yeah, makes sense. Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?

"Truth Movement"...what a bunch of crazy nonsense...hmph...people who want to know the truth...must be something very sinister going on there.

I agree that the self-proclaimed Truth Movement is a bunch of crazy nonsense. It's not a 'truth' movement at all. It's a denial movement.


Btodd

 

[Zanting]

Are you somehow under the impression that out of the almost 3000 victims' families, a large amount of them are Truthers? It started like all conspiracy theories start...an event happens, people start speculating on it, then speculation on top of other speculation, it grows and grows until it's a full-fledged conspiracy movement.




The narrative I would provide for that day is not 'full of holes', unless you start ignoring things like science and real facts. I have yet to see any plausible Truther conspiracy theory that makes sense of that day, after 10 years of hearing about how it's a government conspiracy. Who flew the planes into the buildings? Where are the passengers who were on those flights? Why even bother going through such a complicated, unnecessary magic show if the ultimate goal is to go to war in Iraq? Why not just blow up the towers with a van at the base (which was tried years earlier and almost succeeded), show video that was captured of two Iraqis leaving the parked van there, tie them to Saddam, and...case closed. But no, the Truth movement would have us believe that it needed to involve multiple plane crashes, voice morphing, thermite PLUS demolition charges (that cannot be heard on any video/audio source), a missile at the Pentagon (when they already used planes at the Towers?), a shootdown in a remote field in Pennsylvania (of a plane that wasn't even hijacked? Who was flying it off-course?)...all of this involving hundreds-to-thousands of people, any of which could spill the beans later.

Yeah, makes sense. Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?



I agree that the self-proclaimed Truth Movement is a bunch of crazy nonsense. It's not a 'truth' movement at all. It's a denial movement.


Btodd

Well Btodd...here's my perspective

There are two distinct realities about 9/11, and both are proposed conspiracies. It comes down to which reality you have determined based on accessible facts and evidence.

For example…apply Newton‘s Laws of physics.

First law: When viewed in an inertial reference frame, an object either is at rest or moves at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by an external force.[2][3]
Second law: The acceleration of a body is directly proportional to, and in the same direction as, the net force acting on the body, and inversely proportional to its mass. Thus, F = ma, where F is the net force acting on the object, m is the mass of the object and a is the acceleration of the object.
Third law: When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to that of the first body. (wikipedia)

And frankly...people who deny, brush off, exclude and/or ridicule facts and evidence…well… they waste time and energy with pointless, meaningless circular debate. I don't want to waste time arguing. And why would you? God's love be with you.

 

[cow451]

Well Btodd...here's my perspective

There are two distinct realities about 9/11, and both are proposed conspiracies. It comes down to which reality you have determined based on accessible facts and evidence.

For example…apply Newton‘s Laws of physics.

First law: When viewed in an inertial reference frame, an object either is at rest or moves at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by an external force.[2][3]
Second law: The acceleration of a body is directly proportional to, and in the same direction as, the net force acting on the body, and inversely proportional to its mass. Thus, F = ma, where F is the net force acting on the object, m is the mass of the object and a is the acceleration of the object.
Third law: When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to that of the first body. (wikipedia)

And frankly...people who deny, brush off, exclude and/or ridicule facts and evidence…well… they waste time and energy with pointless, meaningless circular debate. I don't want to waste time arguing. And why would you? God's love be with you.

It is a misapplication of Newton's Laws. Then you hang to the "free fall" claim and off to the races. Your formula is for ONE body, not thousands, if not millions or billions of bodies (remember every thing in the WTC broke, and/or burned). Every piece of the building, every piece of furniture, everything has to be considered along with all the variations in friction, etc. One programmer estimated it would take at least half a century of programmer time to put together "true" simulations (given that all the variables cannot be known.

It is impossible to know everything. I have no doubt there is information that will not come out for decades. But nothing indicates to me that anything will come out that significantly changes the mainstream explanations. I think what will come out is more about the CYA and the human error involved.

 

[ManFromUncle]

Wow.... you know, this sucks! I put in close to 30 hrs of research, learning formulations, making calculations, and finding out the structural make up of the WTC in order to make my last response.......... and nothing. Not one single engineer that was berating me did the formulations themselves in rebuttal.... just nothing.

Wow the thread "How it Was Done; 9/11 and the Science of Building Demolition" just disappeared. For those convinced about what DIDN'T happen, speculation on what possibly did. Pardon me for sounding like a "CT," but is NSA leaning on CF? Too much truth?

Here it is posted elsewhere for those who were studying it:

"How it Was Done; 9/11 and the Science of Building Demolition"
At Last, How it Was Done: 9/11 and the Science of Building Demolition | Peace . Gold . Liberty

 

[SummerMadness]

I think 9/11 Truthers are like moon landing hoax folks. No matter how many facts there are, they will ignore the ones that don't fit their story.

 

[Zanting]

I think 9/11 Truthers are like moon landing hoax folks. No matter how many facts there are, they will ignore the ones that don't fit their story.

What facts don't fit exactly??????

 

[Btodd]

Well Btodd...here's my perspective

There are two distinct realities about 9/11, and both are proposed conspiracies. It comes down to which reality you have determined based on accessible facts and evidence.

There are two proposed conspiracies, but there can only be one reality. There is only one narrative that fully explains where the people on those planes went, and is supported by a mountain of evidence. The other proposed 'Inside Job' conspiracy is full of loopholes and non-answers to these questions. It's far more convoluted, and needlessly complex...than the narrative that actually answers the important questions.


Btodd

 

[Zanting]

There are two proposed conspiracies, but there can only be one reality.

Btodd

Wow...we agree at least on something

 

[Btodd]

Wow...we agree at least on something

Seriously, though...what's your explanation for where the people on those flights went, and what is the evidence to support it?


Btodd

 

[Zanting]

Seriously...I think that's another topic for another thread/day. Lets not disrespect the OP by hijacking his thread...no pun intended

 

[Btodd]

Seriously...I think that's another topic for another thread/day. Lets not disrespect the OP by hijacking his thread...no pun intended

OK, then how about the Twin Towers, which is on topic. Prior to this supposed 'demolition', were there real victims on those flights that hit the Towers? If not, then what plausible scenario describes where those flights went and the people who are now gone? And what evidence is it based on?


Btodd

 

[LostMarbels]

Why is it so hard to believe our government would do this? They tried before in 1993 but Emad Ali Salem, there operative for the FBI taped, and recorded conversations with his handlers because the he was being forced to use a real bomb instead of fake 'powder'. Just scratch the surface a little and you will find both documentation, and news reports supporting this claim.

Emad Ali Salem tapes world trade center bombing - Bing Videos

What about the Oklahoma City bombing? You do know two other bombs were found in the building.... right? So, how dose that happen with a truck bomb?

Nah.... the reporters and eye witnesses were all lying for attention. An what about the footage from 12 security cameras that were in the location? They ended up the same place as Emad Ali Salem's tapes two years earlier. A government vault somewhere.

 

[LostMarbels]

Probably the same vault that contains the footage of the bomb, ERmm, I mean plane that hit the pentagon.

 

[usexpat97]

Why is it so hard to believe our government would do this?

What is even more odd is that now, the U.S. is overtly supporting Al Qaeda in Syria. The only thing holding back the U.S. government from supporting the very people who allegedly killed almost 3,000 U.S. citizens is Russia. And yet STILL--the U.S. government had nothing to do with Al Qaeda back then. They can't even connect the dots sitting side-by-side right there in front of their face.