8 ways life would get weird on a flat Earth

Yttrium · Aug 19, 2024

d taylor said:
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Globe earth balderdash

It doesn't matter what shape the Earth is. If you jump up, you fall down. We call that effect gravity. It's as simple as that. Now, you can dismiss how it works, because the way science says it works doesn't fit a flat Earth, but saying there's no gravity is like saying there's no air. We breathe something. We call that air. We fall for some reason. We call that reason gravity.

prodromos · Aug 19, 2024

d taylor said:
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Are globe earth believers that obtuse in their understanding of the flat earth. Again i am not on a sphere rotating and moving through an imaginary outer space. A flat earth is stationary and a plain/plane, no force is needed to keep a person attached to a non moving flat plane.

I am not pretending, i have to be glued to a rotating sphere.

Buoyancy doesn't work without gravity. Without a downward force there is nothing to cause different densities to settle in any particular order. Everything would simply float around.

The Liturgist · Aug 19, 2024

d taylor said:
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Science defines gravity as a force. There is no outside working force that causes people to stay on the surface of the earth. Nothing is pushing down on me to keep me grounded, my own weigh does this.

Your own weight doing this is gravitation. And it is a force, that you can measure with a scale. I don’t think you understand what a force is, but for the most part, they are not spooky, ethereal things that you can’t see (except for electromagnetic waves outside of the visible spectrum, but those can be detected with radio receivers, and can literally be seen at higher frequencies).

But I suppose us oldthinkers don’t bellyfeel flatearth.

The Liturgist · Aug 19, 2024

prodromos said:
Buoyancy doesn't work without gravity. Without a downward force there is nothing to cause different densities to settle in any particular order. Everything would simply float around.

Indeed, as if (and indeed indistinguishable from if) it were in a sealed container that was falling.

prodromos · Aug 19, 2024

The Liturgist said:
Indeed, as if (and indeed indistinguishable from if) it were in a sealed container that was falling.

Just like in the vomit comet

The Liturgist · Aug 19, 2024

prodromos said:
Just like in the vomit comet

Exactly: and as a fun fact, there is no experiment you can do to determine, without outside references, which of course we have, if you are in a falling object or an object floating in space.

Those who are in orbit of the Earth, or even in a galaxy, are technically falling, in the direction of their orbit, continually, but at such a speed that they will not intercept the object they are falling around. To actually fall into a black hole you would have to decelerate or be decelerated by it to the point where your trajectory would take you inside the event horizon, for example (which in principle, you shouldn’t notice, without outside references, unless some speculations that blackholes have a “firewall” prove accurate, but from the perspective of those outside, you simply appear to stop and then redshift into oblivion).

Likewise, but less dramatically, to land on Earth or a planet one has to slow down in order to stop falling around the planet in orbit. Unless one is traveling at such a tremendous speed and is massive enough or aerodynamic and heat resistant enough to not get completely incinerated in the atmosphere, like some comets and asteroids which have survived re-entry and are responsible for mass extinction events in our past and potentially our future.

Jipsah · Aug 24, 2024

d taylor said:
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A flat stationary earth would not need gravity.

Dunno about that. I think you'd get tired of all thw world's liquds just floating around in random qualtities And I reckon floating off the ground and sailing off into the air every time you stepped down a little too hard would get wearisome. Getting back down would depend on you floating into something you could grab and use to haul yourself back down. t

d taylor said:
simply being heavier than air will keep a person grounded.

Yeah, but the problem there is that it's gravity acting on mass that creates "weight". No gravity, no weight. You and air would be the same "weight", which is to say, zero.

d taylor said:
Gravity has only been invented.

Nah, it's part of God's design.

This sort of thing is why there are no "flat earth" engineers. Engineers have to have an understanding of how things work. FEs have none. In their cosmos, things "just happen". They see no need to Study the way God has designed things to work, because they imagine that "it's just that way".

d taylor said:
Because if scientist are going to say the earth is a rotating water sphere. They will need something to keep the water, people, etc.. on a moving sphere. So they invent this magical "what they call force" to solve this problem. In their world, ignorance is generally the right answer.

Jipsah · Aug 24, 2024

d taylor said:
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Science defines gravity as a force. There is no outside working force that causes people to stay on the surface of the earth. Nothing is pushing down on me to keep me grounded, my own weigh does this.

And you weight is property of gravity and your mass. Leave the earth's gravity well, and you have no weight. That's why stuff floats aroundinside spacecraft.

Yttrium · Aug 24, 2024

Jipsah said:
And you weight is property of gravity and your mass. Leave the earth's gravity well, and you have no weight. That's why stuff floats aroundinside spacecraft.

Well, no, stuff seems to float inside a spacecraft in orbit because the spacecraft and everything inside are falling at the same rate. You don't leave Earth's gravity well. It still affects you in the spacecraft. You still have weight, and you're still pulled toward the Earth. You're falling. It really shouldn't be called zero gravity. It's freefall. It only seems to be zero gravity relative to your surroundings, which are falling with you.

Just like the Earth and everything on it is falling toward the Sun. We don't notice that weight toward the Sun because everything around us is falling toward the Sun at the same rate.

prodromos · Aug 24, 2024

Yttrium said:
Well, no, stuff seems to float inside a spacecraft in orbit because the spacecraft and everything inside are falling at the same rate. You don't leave Earth's gravity well. It still affects you in the spacecraft. You still have weight, and you're still pulled toward the Earth. You're falling. It really shouldn't be called zero gravity. It's freefall. It only seems to be zero gravity relative to your surroundings, which are falling with you.

Just like the Earth and everything on it is falling toward the Sun. We don't notice that weight toward the Sun because everything around us is falling toward the Sun at the same rate.

While that is true, when trying to explain concepts to people who seem to have the mental acuity of three year olds, we try to keep things simple.

Apple Sky · Aug 24, 2024

prodromos · Aug 24, 2024

Apple Sky said:
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So why does it fall, why doesn't it go sideways or even up when it is denser.

Jipsah · Aug 24, 2024

Yttrium said:
Well, no, stuff seems to float inside a spacecraft in orbit because the spacecraft and everything inside are falling at the same rate. You don't leave Earth's gravity well.

Fair play.

Yttrium said:
It still affects you in the spacecraft. You still have weight, and you're still pulled toward the Earth. You're falling. It really shouldn't be called zero gravity. It's freefall. It only seems to be zero gravity relative to your surroundings, which are falling with you.

You're right, of course.

Apple Sky · Aug 24, 2024

prodromos said:
So why does it fall,

Because of it's weight.

prodromos · Aug 24, 2024

Apple Sky said:
Because of it's weight.

Ah, so gravity.

What is weight?

Yttrium · Aug 24, 2024

Apple Sky said:
Because of it's weight.

Weight is defined as force due to gravity. It's the actual gravitational force.

Apple Sky · Aug 24, 2024

prodromos said:
Ah, so gravity.

What about a balloon or when something is placed in water ?

Yttrium · Aug 24, 2024

Apple Sky said:
What about a balloon or when something is placed in water ?

Gravity pulls the denser stuff around it down harder, pushing the balloon or object in the water up. When the balloon rises high enough that the density inside is the same as the air outside, it stops rising, because gravity is pulling the balloon and the air around it down just as hard.

Apple Sky · Aug 25, 2024

Yttrium said:
Gravity pulls the denser stuff around it down harder, pushing the balloon or object in the water up. When the balloon rises high enough that the density inside is the same as the air outside, it stops rising, because gravity is pulling the balloon and the air around it down just as hard.

I wonder what they did before gravity was invented

prodromos · Aug 25, 2024

Apple Sky said:
I wonder what they did before gravity was invented

Gravity was never invented.

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