7 Day creation- literal or figurative?

[Kenneth Redden]

Ok. Then what did the Bible teach you about the Beast of Daniel and Revelation. I know what the Spirit of God revealed to me about how it works in the mind of men and why but I want to know what the Bible tells you about it.

Please be advised that I only speak from the King James Version of the Bible.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Ok. Then what did the Bible teach you about the Beast of Daniel and Revelation. I know what the Spirit of God revealed to me about how it works in the mind of men and why but I want to know what the Bible tells you about it.

I'm sorry but the Beast of Daniel was not an issue in my study of the days of the Creation.

 

[Aman777]

This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. 3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. 4 After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters. 5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.

Amen. This is the time when Adam and Eve were both created in God's Image or born again Spiritually in Christ. It was AFTER Cain had killed Abel and BEFORE this verse took place:

Gen 4:25 ¶ And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

This event took place on the present 6th Day when A&E were "created" Eternally, Spiritually, in Christ. Gen 1:27 and Gen 5:1-2 The time is specific since it happened 130 years BEFORE Seth was born, but AFTER A&E were born again Spiritually. Adam (Adam and Eve) lived for 930 years and they died, AFTER they were created in Christ Spiritually by God the Trinity. Gen 5:5

Notice that God "creates" eternally and Lord God/Jesus makes or forms temporal creatures. A good example is mankind since we are made temporary Gen 2:7 until we are born again Spiritually and Eternally by God the Trinity. Gen 1:26 and John 14:16 In order to be a Christian, Scripturally, one must have God's Spirit within them according to Romans 8:9. KJV

 

[Aman777]

That, "thousand years," you are talking about; happens to be the fifth day, one day as a thousand years. In 2 Peter 3:8, " beloved," refers to the readers of the KJV Bible.

How long is a Day in your view?

 

[Aman777]

Don't you think that after Christ returns in Revelation 19:11, would be the best time and place to make the beasts of the field and birds and Adam name them?

No, since that event took place at the beginning of the present 6th Age in the Creation of the perfect Heaven. Gen 2:19 We live today at the end of the 6th Day Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) Spiritually in Christ. We will not advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until Jesus returns to this Earth to rule and reign a thousand years.

At that time Humans are given dominion or rule over every other creature and Jesus changes Bears and Lions into Vegetarians. Gen 1:30 and Isaiah 11:7 After these events our Cosmos will be burned ll Peter 3:10 and the 6th Day will end. Gen 2:1 God will then rest or "cease" to create, since His Creation has been made perfect. The 7th Day, the Great Sabbath, which has no end, no evening, when God rests from ALL of His creating comes into being and NEVER ends. It's Eternity. God Bless you

 

[Justatruthseeker]

You have a very insightful and interesting view point.
I am just going by what is written not adding my own eisegesis into the text. I have to go by faith what is written is truth. I guess we can ask Him in the end . I really like the post you posted next about the complexity of the word of God. Although it is extremely complex because it is spiritual it is also very simple. It was written so the most simple of all men who came to hear the Torah read during Shavuot would be able to comprehend and obey it. That is our loving Father creating the entire universe with something so simple and easy to understand.

Yet the Bible is silent about Adams time in the garden. If you think about it his chronology is numbered from the day he was expelled, before sin and therefore death had a grip upon him days had no meaning. There was no reason to know when to plant or to sow, all was provided. No reason to count the days until ones passing.

And still without observing death it could never be truly comprehended. My God would not punish Adam with death if Adam could not comprehend the punishment for disobedience. So I personally have no choice but to believe Adam spent an untold number of years in the garden naming the animals and watching them mate, live out their lives and die. Watching them mate and produce offspring is what brought him to the realization there was no mate for him. On purpose so when one was created for him he would cherish her. And he did, choosing to fall with her instead of trusting God to give him another helper. Adam showed his lack of faith.

 

[1John2:4]

Yet the Bible is silent about Adams time in the garden. If you think about it his chronology is numbered from the day he was expelled, before sin and therefore death had a grip upon him days had no meaning. There was no reason to know when to plant or to sow, all was provided. No reason to count the days until ones passing.

And still without observing death it could never be truly comprehended. My God would not punish Adam with death if Adam could not comprehend the punishment for disobedience. So I personally have no choice but to believe Adam spent an untold number of years in the garden naming the animals and watching them mate, live out their lives and die. Watching them mate and produce offspring is what brought him to the realization there was no mate for him. On purpose so when one was created for him he would cherish her. And he did, choosing to fall with her instead of trusting God to give him another helper. Adam showed his lack of faith.

Very thoughtful and interesting. You are right we are not sure if his life was not counted in before the fall I guess someday we will be able to ask

 

[Kenneth Redden]

How long is a Day in your view?

The first day was made in another dispensation, in which time is not relevant to this Universe.
The same thing with the second day and third day.
Today, the fourth day, will last until Christ returns.
The fifth day will last a thousand years.
The sixth day will be one day, a thousand years long and the seventh day will be everlasting.

 

[Aman777]

The first day was made in another dispensation, in which time is not relevant to this Universe.

Amen...however, Noah's age was 600 at the flood and he lived 300 more years on the present Earth. The Author of Scripture, the Holy Spirit shows no difference between the years in the different "dispensations".

*** The same thing with the second day and third day.
***Today, the fourth day, will last until Christ returns.
The fifth day will last a thousand years.

Unscriptural since Gen 1:24 shows that the first act on Day 6 was for God (Trinity) to command that life also be made from the ground.

Gen 1:24 ¶ And God (Elohim/Trinity) said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after His (Jesus) kind

You left out Jesus. Do you know the difference between God and Jesus?

*** The sixth day will be one day, a thousand years long and the seventh day will be everlasting.

We live today at Gen 1:27 since God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image which is Spiritually in Christ. Gen 1:28-31 is Prophecy of events which happen AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon. Amen?

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Amen...however, Noah's age was 600 at the flood and he lived 300 more years on the present Earth. The author of Scripture, the Holy Spirit shows no difference between the years in the different "dispensations".

Yes; however, those years are within the timeline of a different dispensation, a different universe which occurred before this Universe began and is not part of our timeline.
There are references to other dispensations; for example, Hebrews 5:6 uses, "another place," as a reference to another dispensation.

*** The same thing with the second day and third day.

***Today, the fourth day, will last until Christ returns.

The fifth day will last a thousand years.


Unscriptural since Gen 1:24 shows that the first act on Day 6 was for God (Trinity) to command that life also be made from the ground.


Gen 1:24 ¶ And God (Elohim/Trinity) said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after His (Jesus) kind


You left out Jesus. Do you know the difference between God and Jesus?

I believe the fifth day is best described in Revelation 20:4 KJV. God may have commanded life from the ground while reigning with the Faithful for the thousand years of the fifth day?

*** The sixth day will be one day, a thousand years long and the seventh day will be everlasting.


We live today at Gen 1:27 since God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image which is Spiritually in Christ. Gen 1:28-31 is Prophecy of events which happen AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon. Amen?

No, actually; God is still making the stars, which are only made on the fourth day, Genesis 1:16. Therefore, today is the fourth day. Amen?

 

[mmksparbud]

Yet the Bible is silent about Adams time in the garden. If you think about it his chronology is numbered from the day he was expelled, before sin and therefore death had a grip upon him days had no meaning. There was no reason to know when to plant or to sow, all was provided. No reason to count the days until ones passing.

And still without observing death it could never be truly comprehended. My God would not punish Adam with death if Adam could not comprehend the punishment for disobedience. So I personally have no choice but to believe Adam spent an untold number of years in the garden naming the animals and watching them mate, live out their lives and die. Watching them mate and produce offspring is what brought him to the realization there was no mate for him. On purpose so when one was created for him he would cherish her. And he did, choosing to fall with her instead of trusting God to give him another helper. Adam showed his lack of faith.

Why would Adam have had to spend untold years watching the animals mate before he figured out there was no one for him? He wasn't stupid. After He named a few of them, he would have picked up on the fact they each had a partner and he had none. All he had to do was look around, it was pretty obvious.
---there was no death in the garden of Eden.
There is no different creation in Gen 2--Gen and 1 and 2 are the same creation and don't go off into those far fetched theories that twist the word of God to their own weird understandings that have no basis in what the bible actually says.
Each day was a day--24 hour day--it was based on the revolution of the earth, not the sun. Each day was not eons and eons.
"And God said, and it was so." When God speaks, it is done, right then and there. When Jesus said "Lazarus, come forth"--he came forth then, not years on down the line, When Jesus said, "Peace, be still" the sea calmed down right then, not years later. When God says something, it is done. If He says, it will be done in 7 years, then it will be done in 7 years, if He says it will be done in 10,000 years, it will be 10,000 years. That is the power of God. He is obeyed by everything, the elements obey His voice. When He said
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
This is what happened as He spoke, He didn't say in so many years it will be so. To say otherwise, is to deny His power.

2Ti_3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

 

[Aman777]

Each day was a day--24 hour day--it was based on the revolution of the earth, not the sun. Each day was not eons and eons.

UnScriptural since the Hebrew word for "Day" is Yowm and means ANY period of time. It is used in Scripture as 12 hours, 24 hours, a lifetime and Forever.

Since the present 6th Day began when Adam named the creatures Jesus made from the dust of the ground, Gen 2:19 and the present 6th Day will NOT end until Jesus rules and reigns on this planet for a thousand years, with VEGETARIANS, Gen 1:30 tell us your view on How long the present 6th Day/Age will last. Hint: It's more than 24 hours. God Bless you

 

[Kenneth Redden]

UnScriptural since the Hebrew word for "Day" is Yowm and means ANY period of time. It is used in Scripture as 12 hours, 24 hours, a lifetime and Forever.

Since the present 6th Day began when Adam named the creatures Jesus made from the dust of the ground, Gen 2:19 and the present 6th Day will NOT end until Jesus rules and reigns on this planet for a thousand years, with VEGETARIANS, Gen 1:30 tell us your view on How long the present 6th Day/Age will last. Hint: It's more than 24 hours. God Bless you

I believe the sixth day will be one day, a thousand years long. 2 Peter 3:8.

 

[mmksparbud]

UnScriptural since the Hebrew word for "Day" is Yowm and means ANY period of time. It is used in Scripture as 12 hours, 24 hours, a lifetime and Forever.

Since the present 6th Day began when Adam named the creatures Jesus made from the dust of the ground, Gen 2:19 and the present 6th Day will NOT end until Jesus rules and reigns on this planet for a thousand years, with VEGETARIANS, Gen 1:30 tell us your view on How long the present 6th Day/Age will last. Hint: It's more than 24 hours. God Bless you

You and I have gone over and over this and I won't box with you anymore. What you believe is your right to believe but has no basis in scripture.
http://www.abarimpublications.com/YomProblem.html#.WAV2ToWcEqQ

19. The yom problem
— Yom; The Biggest Biblical Creation Theory Obstacle —
The word yom

The Hebrew word for day is yom and this word appears in Scriptures over 1400 times. And without exception this word, when written in the singular sense, means day. And that's it. Never anything else. Eons are indicated with the plural form: days, as in the days of such and such. The most popular counter argument is that the meaning of our word is fiercely restricted to 'day' for about a thousand times in the sequential Scriptures, but in the secluded chapter of Genesis 1 means something completely different! But honestly, if in Genesis 1 our word should have meant 'long time' it would have said 'long time'. There are words available in Hebrew that mean just that. None of which occur in Genesis 1.

The word as used in Genesis 1 means day and day alone. There's no way around it, and every serious theory to make (systematic, not theological) sense out of Genesis 1 should first and foremost address the yom-problem.

The solution lies in the rule we've established four chapters ago:

Hold that thought (11)
In Hebrew Scriptures, and all models derived thereof, entities are reckoned solely after their behavior and not after their appearance. An entity is a behavior, not that which executes the behavior.

To define something, the Hebrew language does not look at outer parameters but always at the action that needs to be named. The time-length of a yom is an outer parameter and not regarded in Hebrew. Since time and space are the four dimensions of space-time, and we measure sizes in the spatial dimensions with a ruler, a clock is a ruler for time. An hour is a 'distance' just like a mile.

A yom is not defined as something that is 24 hours long, but something that executes the action that defines a yom. Strictly spoken, a yom does not even have to have a length, as long as it executes the typical behavior that defines it. Forcing a static 24-hour mold upon the word yom may appear quite pious but flies flat in the face of the Second Commandment.

A yom therefore is a phase of a continuum (whether space-time, complexity or something else) that consists of two periods: a 'dark' part and a 'light' part. During the dark part of a regular day people sleep and are disconnected. During the light part they communicate and work together. Any other manifestation of yom should display the same kind of darkness (elements not connected) and lightness (elements connected).

 

[Kenneth Redden]

I believe that scripture may be no more than an interpolation of ideas, from their dimension to ours. Done perfectly and completely in the KJV Bible.

 

[GenemZ]

How could he understand what death was without ever having observed it?

Adam would have not died if he was allowed to eat from the Tree of Life. Without that fruit he would die eventually.

Animals on the other hand were no created with the potential to live forever. For the souls of animals were not created in God's image. As we can see with many animals, they live for relatively few years compared to men. Its very possible that Adam simply witnessed to animals dying a natural death. The Lord then told him about dying.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Each day was a day--24 hour day--it was based on the revolution of the earth, not the sun. Each day was not eons and eons.

What about 2 Peter 3:8. Well, at least we can be sure that each day is not based on the revolution of the earth. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

I believe the sixth day will be one day, a thousand years long. 2 Peter 3:8.

Since you insist that each of God's Days is a thousand years long, WHEN do you think Eve was made? Hint: on the 6th Day AFTER the beasts of the earth and birds. Do you think Eve hasn't been made yet?

 

[mmksparbud]

What about 2 Peter 3:8. Well, at least we can be sure that each day is not based on the revolution of the earth. Amen?

That's to God and in His realm. In this world He set certain things in motion to give us time, the rotation of the earth, sun, moon--- He set that time at 24 hr days.
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Time means nothing to God. But He ordained times for us on this world.

 

[Aman777]

Animals on the other hand were no created with the potential to live forever. For the souls of animals were not created in God's image. As we can see with many animals, they live for relatively few years compared to men. Its very possible that Adam simply witnessed to animals dying a natural death. The Lord then told him about dying.

Animals were ALL "created" by the Trinity (God). Mankind, on the other hand was "formed" by Jesus/Lord God as a potter molds clay. Gen 2:4-7 In order to be Eternal, mankind MUST be "created" by God the Trinity. Gen 1:27 and John 14:16

IOW, those creatures which are "created" by God the Trinity will be in Heaven with mankind, who has been born again Spiritually, in Christ.

WHATever God "creates" is Eternal, and part of the host of Heaven. Gen 2:1