7 Day creation- literal or figurative?

[Kenneth Redden]

I don't see here about being "born again".
I don't see any comparison to what is in the NT about "born again" either.
What do you think is the connecton ?
Genesis 5 King James Version (KJV)
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

I believe Genesis 5:1 is in regards to the first day of the Creation; the same day that Adam died for eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17), as said in Genesis 5:5.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

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Man was formed of the dust on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants herbs and rain. Gen 2:4-7 Man was NOT "created in God's Image" or Eternally in Christ, until the present 6th Day/Age which is the Day of Salvation. Eve was not even made until the present 6th Day. Gen 2:22

I believe that today is the fourth day of the Creation; the only day in which, "he made the stars also" (Genesis 1:16).

 

[Kenneth Redden]

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Gen 5:1-2
Man was formed of the dust on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants herbs and rain. Gen 2:4-7 Man was NOT "created in God's Image" or Eternally in Christ, until the present 6th Day/Age which is the Day of Salvation. Eve was not even made until the present 6th Day. Gen 2:22

I believe that 6th day history begins in Revelation 20:7, after 5th day history in Revelation 20:1-6; as it is prophesied in 2 Peter 3:8.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Aman777 said: ↑
Correction: He will create the perfect 3rd Heaven in 6 of His Days



Sure, Genesis Chapter One is the entire History of God's 6 Days or Ages in the Creation of the perfect Third Heaven....including future events which will NOT be fulfilled until AFTER Jesus returns to our planet. Gen 1:28-31 is Prophecy of events which will happen in the future, at the end of the present 6th Day.

I believe Genesis 5:1 is, "from the beginning," the everlasting/first day of the Creation; the day that Adam died for eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, as said in Genesis 2:17 & Genesis 5:5. The history of the 5th day is told in Revelation 20:4, as prophesied in Revelation 6:9-11, with the 6th day beginning Revelation 20:7, as explained in 2 Peter 3:8.

 

[smithed64]

Aman777 said: ↑
Correction: He will create the perfect 3rd Heaven in 6 of His Days



Sure, Genesis Chapter One is the entire History of God's 6 Days or Ages in the Creation of the perfect Third Heaven....including future events which will NOT be fulfilled until AFTER Jesus returns to our planet. Gen 1:28-31 is Prophecy of events which will happen in the future, at the end of the present 6th Day.

Aman:>>and THEN, He will rest or cease creating. He rests because His Creation is finished or brought to perfection and filled with it's entire "host" or inhabitant of Heaven.

*** Again, scripture please?

Sure. Gen 2:1-3 tells us of the 7th Day when God rests from ALL of His work of creating. The 7th Day is the Great Sabbath when God ceases to create mankind in Christ because Heaven is filled with ALL of it's host. It's the way ALL of God's works are finished. (Heb-brought to perfection)

*** Death has been defeated. With the resurrection.

2Ti 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

At the end after the final judgment, Satan and Death will be cast into hell.

But death has been defeated, we will rise one day to be with our lord.

All the host of Heaven will be present in Heaven BEFORE the 7th Day Begins as Gen 2:1 states. Today is the Day of Salvation and Today is Judgment Day for ALL of mankind. It's also the last Day for 152,000 Humans within the next 24 hours. Amen?

Brother,
I will keep you in my prayers, hoping the God will keep you and guide you into the right direction. I will have to decline to continue with this conversation. God Bless

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Why are you posting in a Christian only thread?

Why are you since you clearly have pagan beliefs brought about in the 3rd century?

But you avoided the question, how many gods do you have since the Bible clearly tells us we have but ONE God, the Father? Avoidance does you no credit and only shows your pagan beliefs of worshiping more than one God. Christianity is a monotheistic belief (ONE God). Not three gods that are one - that comes from Egyptian religious beliefs.

And thats your problem in a nutshell, you follow manmade religion and not the Bible - because not a single believer in the Bible claims to be of any sect but that of a believer.
There were no Baptists, no Lutherans, no Catholics, just believers of the truth.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

How is Non-Denominational not Christian?

Its not that, if you dont believe what he believes....... Because he is of course infallible.

Without submitting credentials to you first? For shame. You don't own the Christian religion; you don't get to decide who is a Christian and who isn't.

Sure he does, he has taken judgement into his own hands and usurped the role of Jesus. He knows all and is all and has passed judgement upon the world. Not realizing of course by doing so he just had judgement passed upon him.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

http://www.christianforums.com/help/rules/

"Faith groups that deny the full, eternal deity of Jesus Christ or His incarnation whereby He, as God, took on human flesh (becoming fully God and fully man in one person), are considered non-Christians at CF."

SO CF has decided to pass the judgement reserved for Jesus as well, and in return will be judged.

I accept full well that Jesus is my Savior and Lord.

1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

So now you all can have more than one God - the Father if you wish, just dont expect me to go against the Biblical teachings to follow those pegan beliefs...... So the Father is indeed my God and Jesus is indeed my Lord.

Now if you think you can find something unscriptural in scripture you just go right ahead and rant and rave.

 

[Aman777]

I believe Genesis 5:1 is in regards to the first day of the Creation; the same day that Adam died for eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17), as said in Genesis 5:5.

Not really, since Genesis 5:1-2 is speaking of the Spiritual Creation of Adam and Eve on the present 6th Day, when they were made Immortal, in Christ.

Genesis 5 gives us details of the "creation" of Adam (mankind) which continues today in Gen 1:27 since God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image or in Christ at the end of the present 6th Day. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

I believe that today is the fourth day of the Creation; the only day in which, "he made the stars also" (Genesis 1:16).

The 4th Day was in the past since we live today at Gen 1:27 since God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ on the present 6th Day, the Day of Salvation. 2Co 6:2 Just ask ANY Gospel preacher..

 

[Aman777]

I believe that 6th day history begins in Revelation 20:7, after 5th day history in Revelation 20:1-6; as it is prophesied in 2 Peter 3:8.

Interesting, but the History of the present 6th Day/Age began when Jesus (Lord God) made the beasts of the field and birds and Adam named them. Gen 2:19 This Day will NOT end until AFTER Jesus rules and reigns for a thousand years on this Earth. Then, our entire Cosmos will be burned. ll Peter 3:10

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Interesting, but the History of the present 6th Day/Age began when Jesus (Lord God) made the beasts of the field and birds and Adam named them. Gen 2:19 This Day will NOT end until AFTER Jesus rules and reigns for a thousand years on this Earth. Then, our entire Cosmos will be burned. ll Peter 3:10

Today is the fourth day of creation, the day: "he made the stars also." Genesis 1:16.

 

[1John2:4]

Adam's age is NOT counted until AFTER He and Eve were "created in God's Image or in Christ" AFTER Cain killed Abel. Adam lived 930 years AFTER he was born again Spiritually in Christ. Gen 5:1-2

This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. 3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. 4 After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters. 5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Interesting, but the History of the present 6th Day/Age began when Jesus (Lord God) made the beasts of the field and birds and Adam named them. Gen 2:19 This Day will NOT end until AFTER Jesus rules and reigns for a thousand years on this Earth. Then, our entire Cosmos will be burned. ll Peter 3:10

That, "thousand years," you are talking about; happens to be the fifth day, one day as a thousand years. In 2 Peter 3:8, " beloved," refers to the readers of the KJV Bible.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Interesting, but the History of the present 6th Day/Age began when Jesus (Lord God) made the beasts of the field and birds and Adam named them. Gen 2:19 This Day will NOT end until AFTER Jesus rules and reigns for a thousand years on this Earth. Then, our entire Cosmos will be burned. ll Peter 3:10

Don't you think that after Christ returns in Revelation 19:11, would be the best time and place to make the beasts of the field and birds and Adam name them?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Lets test your theory: If Adam was created before the Shabbat and then kept the Shabbat he would have been well over 1000 years yet the Bible states Genesis 5:5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.

How long was Adam in the garden? How long did it take to name all the animals before a helper was not found for him? Say about 70 years?

But really, do you think God would punish Adam for sinning without him knowing what the punishment for sin entailed? How could he understand what death was unless like us he saw animals born, live their lives and die? Without observing death he could never have comprehended what it meant.

So I have a slight problem with those that believe all the animals were brought before him and named in a few hours, let alone his being able to comprehend something he had never witnessed firsthand.

I think if everyone is honest with themselves they would agree comprehending what death was without ever having seen anything die would be impossible.

 

[Goatee]

Genesis, a massive 'parable'. More to it than face value reading! Jesus spoke in parables too.

Some things seem straightforward to understand but they are not!

There is a lot more to the Bible than what 99.9% of people think!

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Genesis, a massive 'parable'. More to it than face value reading! Jesus spoke in parables too.

Some things seem straightforward to understand but they are not!

There is a lot more to the Bible than what 99.9% of people think!

Agreed! That's why people have been debating it since it was written. Even the Isralites who were the keepers of scripture for centuries debated about its true meanings.

It's not as cut and dried as people tend to think or believe, there are nuances hidden in nuances waiting to be discovered as one contemplates their meanings. But when you believe you understand is when you really stop seeking.

Not to mention we don't think like the writers of scripture, a single Hebrew word can have many meanings and even an entire volume of thought.

 

[1John2:4]

How long was Adam in the garden? How long did it take to name all the animals before a helper was not found for him? Say about 70 years?

But really, do you think God would punish Adam for sinning without him knowing what the punishment for sin entailed? How could he understand what death was unless like us he saw animals born, live their lives and die? Without observing death he could never have comprehended what it meant.

So I have a slight problem with those that believe all the animals were brought before him and named in a few hours, let alone his being able to comprehend something he had never witnessed firsthand.

I think if everyone is honest with themselves they would agree comprehending what death was without ever having seen anything die would be impossible.

You have a very insightful and interesting view point.
I am just going by what is written not adding my own eisegesis into the text. I have to go by faith what is written is truth. I guess we can ask Him in the end . I really like the post you posted next about the complexity of the word of God. Although it is extremely complex because it is spiritual it is also very simple. It was written so the most simple of all men who came to hear the Torah read during Shavuot would be able to comprehend and obey it. That is our loving Father creating the entire universe with something so simple and easy to understand.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Only our Father can reveal the deep knowledge it takes to understand everything written in the Bible through His Holy Spirit, the messiah.

I believe that everything we need to know about the days of the Creation, can be found written in the KJV Bible; so that we may understand the Creation from a scientific point of view. Ephesians 3:3-4.