7 Day creation- literal or figurative?

[Aman777]

That would be incorrect.
Gen 2 tells of a garden...one that didn't exist...that God put NEW plants into. We've been over this. Perhas you'd like to listen now.

Your "theology" denies the DIRECT reading of scripture that tells us man was created on day 6.

Perhaps you have forgotten that you didn't answer the Scriptural Fact that Genesis two speaks of many Days instead of just the events of the Garden. Here are the facts AGAIN which you didn't address:

Not so, since Genesis two begins with details of the 7th Day when God rests from ALL of His work. At Gen 2:4 the narrative takes us BACK to the 3rd Day and shows that man (Heb-Adam) was made from the ground before the plants, herbs and rain. Genesis 2:19 details the making of the beasts of the field and birds, which Adam names, on the present 6th Day. It also shows the making of Eve after the animals were made. Gen 2:22

Gen 2:1-3 speaks of the future 7th Day.
Gen 2:4-9 speaks of the 3rd Day, the Day when plants were made and AFTER Adam was FORMED from the dust, but NOT "created".
Gen 2:10-18 speaks of the geography of the Garden of Eden.
Gen 2:18-25 speaks of Adam being ALONE, so the Lord makes the beasts of the field and birds and then Eve, who was "made", on the 6th Day.

Adam was ALONE in the Garden from the 3rd to the 6th Day Scripturally. Genesis two makes NO mention of Adam nor Eve being "created". Your theory fails Scripturally. That is because Adam and Eve were NOT "created" or born again by the Trinity (God) until AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 Amen?

 

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Perhaps you have forgotten that you didn't answer the Scriptural Fact that Genesis two speaks of many Days instead of just the events of the Garden. Here are the facts AGAIN which you didn't address:



Gen 2:1-3 speaks of the future 7th Day.
Gen 2:4-9 speaks of the 3rd Day, the Day when plants were made and AFTER Adam was FORMED from the dust, but NOT "created".
Gen 2:10-18 speaks of the geography of the Garden of Eden.
Gen 2:18-25 speaks of Adam being ALONE, so the Lord makes the beasts of the field and birds and then Eve, who was "made", on the 6th Day.

Adam was ALONE in the Garden from the 3rd to the 6th Day Scripturally. Genesis two makes NO mention of Adam nor Eve being "created". Your theory fails Scripturally. That is because Adam and Eve were NOT "created" or born again by the Trinity (God) until AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 Amen?

I have to disagree with your strange insert between the lines theology.
Gen 2:2 informs us that God completed the 7th day and rested. There in no mention of a future 7th day.

Gen 2:4 tells us day spoken of here has a different nuisance. The word day indicates a time period. We can know this because it says...These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.
Whwn we turn to Gen 1 we read "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." That was day 1. The heavens and earth existed then...and God tells us how He shaped them in the following 5 days.

No need to argue Gen 2:18-25.

Gen 1:27 tells us He made male and female on day 6th. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Not day 3. In fact there is no mention of a man being made on day 3 in Genesis chapter 1. That is something you put there.

What you have done is assignes specific nuiances to the words mad, create, born again and severly distorted the account of Cain and Able.
No one picking up the bible and reading the opening chapters of Genesis would come to your conclusion.

 

[Aman777]

I have to disagree with your strange insert between the lines theology.
Gen 2:2 informs us that God completed the 7th day and rested. There in no mention of a future 7th day.

Please show where God rested from ALL of His work in the past since God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image, which is in Christ TODAY as Gen 1:27 states. Gen 1:28 also tells of a time in the FUTURE when mankind will be given dominion or rule over EVERY living creature, which includes viruses, mosquitoes and Angels. 1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels?

ALSO, show when in the past ALL living creatures, including bears and lions were vegetarians as Gen 1:30 states. Then, tell us when God, in the past, declared that it was very good as Gen 1:31 states. You cannot since ALL of those events take place AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of the present 6th Day/Age. What you are posting is the superstitious view of ancient men who God tells us could NOT understand Scripture. Dan 12:4

*** Gen 2:4 tells us day spoken of here has a different nuisance. The word day indicates a time period. We can know this because it says...These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.
Whwn we turn to Gen 1 we read "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." That was day 1. The heavens and earth existed then...and God tells us how He shaped them in the following 5 days.

Genesis 1:1 tells us of the creation of the air, dust, and water, which came from gases in the air. Gen 1:2 shows that the earth was without form, which is dust since the dust was NOT yet shaped into an Earth. The ingredients, which Jesus would use to form everything which exists physically, John 1:3 were brought into the physical world but the first Earth was NOT made until the 3rd Day. Gen 1:10

Gen 1:2 also shows that darkness or death was upon those ingredients which means that anything made from them would be subject to death. Jesus, the Light of the first Day, Col 1:18 will form the Heavens and the Earth and will defeat darkness or death at the end of the present 6th Day as the following verse confirms:

1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Is death still present? Of course it is so it's destruction is FUTURE.

*** No need to argue Gen 2:18-25.

Gen 1:27 tells us He made male and female on day 6th. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Not day 3. In fact there is no mention of a man being made on day 3 in Genesis chapter 1. That is something you put there.

Not so, since Gen 2:4-7 details the events of the 3rd Day, the same Day the first Earth was made Gen 1:10 but BEFORE the plants, herbs and rain, WHEN Adam was formed of the dust of the ground. Gen 2:8-9 ALSO shows that the Trees were made AFTER Adam was made which AGREES with Gen 1:12 which shows that the plants, herbs and trees GREW on the 3rd Day.

*** What you have done is assignes specific nuiances to the words mad, create, born again and severly distorted the account of Cain and Able.
No one picking up the bible and reading the opening chapters of Genesis would come to your conclusion.

Amen, and that AGREES with what God told us here:

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth NOT the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

In order to understand Scripture, one MUST be born again Spiritually, and STUDY, and live in the last days just before Jesus returns, in order to rightly divide the Word of Truth. God told Daniel HOW to hide His Truth until the end of time:

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

It's time to go beyond the plain reading of God's Holy Word for we have but a short time left to tell this lost and dying world that God's Truth in Genesis IS true Scripturally, Scientifically and Historically. Amen?

 

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Please show where God rested from ALL of His work in the past since God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image, which is in Christ TODAY as Gen 1:27 states. Gen 1:28 also tells of a time in the FUTURE when mankind will be given dominion or rule over EVERY living creature, which includes viruses, mosquitoes and Angels. 1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels?

The beginning of Gen 2 tells us God finished creation and rested.

Gen 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

Exo 20:11 11"For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day;

Perhaps you're confusing creation with restoration.

 

[GenemZ]

I have to disagree with your strange insert between the lines theology.
Gen 2:2 informs us that God completed the 7th day and rested. There in no mention of a future 7th day.

Gen 2:4 tells us day spoken of here has a different nuisance. The word day indicates a time period. We can know this because it says...These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.
Whwn we turn to Gen 1 we read "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." That was day 1. The heavens and earth existed then...and God tells us how He shaped them in the following 5 days.

No need to argue Gen 2:18-25.

Gen 1:27 tells us He made male and female on day 6th. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Not day 3. In fact there is no mention of a man being made on day 3 in Genesis chapter 1. That is something you put there.

What you have done is assignes specific nuiances to the words mad, create, born again and severly distorted the account of Cain and Able.
No one picking up the bible and reading the opening chapters of Genesis would come to your conclusion.

Another difference revealed between Genesis One and Two.

Genesis 1:31

God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good.
And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.​

In Genesis One? We are told... " God saw."

In Genesis Two? We are now placed in an audience as to observe as we are shown what to see.

Meaning? God can see the future as if it were the present. In Genesis One he was creating what could not yet be seen (both human and animals souls) until given their physical manifestation that was to take place in Genesis Two. Keep in mind, in Genesis Two, the Lord first formed the bodies for the animals out of the earth. Adam's body was provided only afterwards.
It was their souls ... their invisible souls... that were created "out from nothing." Bara as it says in the Hebrew. In Genesis Two, God does not bara anymore. The Lord simply works with what had been created in Genesis One. Hence... "Phase One, Phase Two".. all involving the same creation.

 

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Another difference revealed between Genesis One and Two.

Genesis 1:31

God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good.
And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.​

In Genesis One? We are told... " God saw."

In Genesis Two? We are now placed in an audience as to observe as we are shown what to see.

Meaning? God can see the future as if it were the present. In Genesis One he was creating what could not yet be seen (both human and animals souls) until given their physical manifestation that was to take place in Genesis Two. Keep in mind, in Genesis Two, the Lord first formed the bodies for the animals out of the earth. Adam's body was provided only afterwards.
It was their souls ... their invisible souls... that were created "out from nothing." Bara as it says in the Hebrew. In Genesis Two, God does not bara anymore. The Lord simply works with what had been created in Genesis One. Hence... "Phase One, Phase Two".. all involving the same creation.

I'm thinking you're trying to pull our legs when you said....."God saw" in Gen 1 means God can see into the future.

 

[Aman777]

The beginning of Gen 2 tells us God finished creation and rested.

Gen 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done ***in creation***.

Sorry, but again, your altered and paraphrased version of Scripture has left you with an ancient theologian's view. Notice that I bolded and underlined the last words which were "added to" what is actually written in Gen 1:3. Here are the same verses from the KJV with my comments in brackets:

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, [brought to perfection] and ALL the host of them.

Genesis 2 tells us of a time AFTER God's Creation is finished or brought to perfection, which is the end result of EVERY work of the perfect God. Notice that ALL of the host or inhabitants of Heaven are present in Heaven. Since God can see the future from the beginning, God told us the complete HISTORY of His Creation, including future events, to 2016:

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done,

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested [Ceased Creating] on the seventh day from ALL His work which He had made. Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested [Ceased Creating] from ALL His work which God created and made.

Notice that the added words "in creation" are NOT in the KJV. Jesus IS God and He is still working today. Jhn 14:2 The Holy Spirit IS God and He is still working today, through the Church, to bring sinners to Christ. The Father is still working today, since it takes the agreement of the Trinity to create a new creature in Christ. Gen 1:26 AND John 14:16 I've shown you this before and you have NOT refuted it Scripturally. Can you?

*** Exo 20:11 11"For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day;

Perhaps you're confusing creation with restoration.

No, since the last inhabitant or host of Heaven MUST first be saved and placed safely in Heaven. That is a future event because God is STILL creating sinners today and He will NOT declare it good or perfect until it is perfect and that is future to our time. God's rest or His ceasing from ALL of His creating is FUTURE. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Another difference revealed between Genesis One and Two.

Genesis 1:31

God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good.
And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

The word "saw" is in Hebrew Imperfect Tense which means:

Strong's:>>The imperfect expresses an action, process or condition which is incomplete.

IOW, God will see that it is perfect AFTER Jesus returns and gives dominion over every living creature to mankind, including bears and lions who eat Straw like the Ox. Here is the fulfillment of the prophecy of Gen 1:30 at the end of the present 6th Day or Age:

Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

Amen?

 

[GenemZ]

The word "saw" is in Hebrew Imperfect Tense which means:

Strong's:>>The imperfect expresses an action, process or condition which is incomplete.

IOW, God will see that it is perfect AFTER Jesus returns and gives dominion over every living creature to mankind, including bears and lions who eat Straw like the Ox. Here is the fulfillment of the prophecy of Gen 1:30 at the end of the present 6th Day or Age:

Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

Amen?

That means "an ongoing action." God saw, and will always see it.

God does not have a memory problem like we do. God does not remember anything. He always knowing all things, at all times. God is not limited to just one thought at a time like we are.

 

[GenemZ]

I'm thinking you're trying to pull our legs when you said....."God saw" in Gen 1 means God can see into the future.

God saw man multiplying and covering the earth when He first created the first man and woman. He blessed it.

Genesis 1... God alone saw it. God could see the immaterial souls he created. In Genesis 2 we are invited guests to see what was taking place. We see the material bodies provided for the immaterial souls we could not see. Only God saw.

4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
10 God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good.
12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good.
18 and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good.
21 God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.

In Genesis One, God was seeing what he had just created/done, and was seeing also into the future of the event as if it all had already come to pass. That is why God could say let the earth bring forth living creatures .... but they were not to begin being *physically* manifested until the Lord provided bodies for those souls in Genesis 2!

19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.
The Lord 'molded and formed' bodies just like had for man.

Genesis One explains why what "God saw" as being, was only to begin being manifested as actual physical manifestations in Genesis Two. When we reach Genesis Two, it stops being said.... "and God saw." Its was now for all to see.

4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven. 5 Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the Lord God had not sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground. 6 But a mist used to rise from the earth and water the whole surface of the ground.

Yet? In Genesis One God saw all the plants as they were to become. In Genesis One he created the seeds and had them in the soil. Farmer Jesus has a Divine green thumb.


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[Aman777]

That means "an ongoing action." God saw, and will always see it.

God does not have a memory problem like we do. God does not remember anything. He always knowing all things, at all times. God is not limited to just one thought at a time like we are.

Okay. Since God sees the future, WHEN will He proclaim that it is very good? Answer, He will say that at the end of the present 6th Day AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth and gives Adam (mankind) dominion over EVERY living creature Gen 1:28 and AFTER Jesus changes all living creatures into vegetarians Gen 1:30 as Isaiah 11:7 clearly states.

Genesis chapter one is the complete History of the creation of God's perfect Heaven. This will become perfectly clear in Heaven AFTER the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 is fulfilled. God has but 7 Days and the 7th Day is Eternity since it has NO evening and NO end. We will open and read the Bible in Heaven and it will be much easier to see God's complete story of the Creation, which is told in it's entirety in the FIRST 34 verses of Genesis. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

God saw man multiplying and covering the earth when He first created the first man and woman. He blessed it.

Genesis 1... God alone saw it. God could see the immaterial souls he created. In Genesis 2 we are invited guests to see what was taking place. We see the material bodies provided for the immaterial souls we could not see. Only God saw.

4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
10 God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good.
12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good.
18 and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good.
21 God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.

In Genesis One, God was seeing what he had just created/done, and was seeing also into the future of the event as if it all had already come to pass. That is why God could say let the earth bring forth living creatures .... but they were not to begin being *physically* manifested until the Lord provided bodies for those souls in Genesis 2!

19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.
The Lord 'molded and formed' bodies just like had for man.

Genesis One explains why what "God saw" as being, was only to begin being manifested as actual physical manifestations in Genesis Two. When we reach Genesis Two, it stops being said.... "and God saw." Its was now for all to see.

4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven. 5 Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the Lord God had not sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground. 6 But a mist used to rise from the earth and water the whole surface of the ground.

Yet? In Genesis One God saw all the plants as they were to become. In Genesis One he created the seeds and had them in the soil. Farmer Jesus has a Divine green thumb.
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Amen, which confirms my last post. God saw the entire History of His Creation of the perfect Heaven BEFORE it was brought to perfection or finished at the end of the present 6th Day. He wrote the complete History of His six Days, or periods of work, including events which will NOT take place until the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 is completely fulfilled.

Our God is an Awesome God and He wrote the FUTURE History of the end of the present 6th Day BEFORE the beginning. The entire History of His 6 Days or times of His creating, are told in Genesis Chapter One. This is WHY Gen 2:1 shows that ALL the host or inhabitants of Heaven are safely in Heaven at the end of God's work. Then He rests, from ALL of His work, since His Creation is finished or brought to perfection. The perfect God will NOT rest or Cease Creating until His Creation is made perfect. Amen?

 

[GenemZ]

Okay. Since God sees the future, WHEN will He proclaim that it is very good? Answer, He will say that at the end of the present 6th Day AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth and gives Adam (mankind) dominion over EVERY living creature Gen 1:28 and AFTER Jesus changes all living creatures into vegetarians Gen 1:30 as Isaiah 11:7 clearly states.

Genesis chapter one is the complete History of the creation of God's perfect Heaven. This will become perfectly clear in Heaven AFTER the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 is fulfilled. God has but 7 Days and the 7th Day is Eternity since it has NO evening and NO end. We will open and read the Bible in Heaven and it will be much easier to see God's complete story of the Creation, which is told in it's entirety in the FIRST 34 verses of Genesis. Amen?

It angers me, for you to address me as so matter of factually, as if you assume I too have adjusted to your delusion. Sorry... But you have become your own authority onto yourself. As if some angel has gotten you into isolation and wants to feed you things that you are being told is from the Holy Spirit. You need to find a good pastor-teacher and learn sound (sane) doctrine. There are a few out there. Pray to the Father in Jesus name to lead you to sound doctrine. Its the very thing the Father desires you to walk in. God has given us men who have the spiritual gift to actually teach. Too many are doing like you are now doing, and very few are getting exposed to sound doctrine.

James 3:1 ... tells us that only a few should ever find themselves teaching. But, instead of what we should find, we find many. After all.. The way to destruction is 'broad and wide.' Many!

There will be only a few genuinely anointed provided by God = narrow.

Pray in Jesus name to the Father.

grace and peace...

 

[Aman777]

It angers me, for you to address me as so matter of factually, as if you assume I too have adjusted to your delusion. Sorry... But you have become your own authority onto yourself. As if some angel has gotten you into isolation and wants to feed you things that you are being told is from the Holy Spirit. You need to find a good pastor-teacher and learn sound (sane) doctrine. There are a few out there. Pray to the Father in Jesus name to lead you to sound doctrine. Its the very thing the Father desires you to walk in. God has given us men who have the spiritual gift to actually teach. Too many are doing like you are now doing, and very few are getting exposed to sound doctrine.

James 3:1 ... tells us that only a few should ever find themselves teaching. But, instead of what we should find, we find many. After all.. The way to destruction is 'broad and wide.' Many!

There will be only a few genuinely anointed provided by God = narrow.

Pray in Jesus name to the Father.

grace and peace...

It doesn't anger me when you disagree but it is strange that you find it necessary to try to teach me without showing me my errors Scripturally. Perhaps it is you who should seek to learn what Scripture actually says instead of trying to force your views which you cannot support. Amen?

 

[GenemZ]

It doesn't anger me when you disagree but it is strange that you find it necessary to try to teach me without showing me my errors Scripturally. Perhaps it is you who should seek to learn what Scripture actually says instead of trying to force your views which you cannot support. Amen?

Its your presumptions.... For, they are presumptions you make when you cite passages. Its like you have learned a whole system of thought that has engulfed your thinking.

That is why I really do not want to be bothered. It will take someone else to reprove you. Someone who can expertly exegete with great depth. Just me telling you stuff to point out how you presume? Telling you that you see things that are not there? That, I believe, would not dent your shielded concept. For you already have stepped over that line of reason.

Not bother... For it appears its you who is the wise one to see what you do. One who is privy to such special abstruse "wisdom." Its not reason that you offer. Its just an esoteric wisdom. Its a devised system you have learned to accept and not question. I might as well try to tell a Catholic that Mary is not God's mother. Telling her that God has no mother would not work. For she/he has an accepted concept that defies reason.

 

[Aman777]

Its your presumptions.... For, they are presumptions you make when you cite passages. Its like you have learned a whole system of thought that has engulfed your thinking.

That is why I really do not want to be bothered. It will take someone else to reprove you. Someone who can expertly exegete with great depth. Just me telling you stuff to point out how you presume? Telling you that you see things that are not there? That, I believe, would not dent your shielded concept. For you already have stepped over that line of reason.

Not bother... For it appears its you who is the wise one to see what you do. One who is privy to such special abstruse "wisdom." Its not reason that you offer. Its just an esoteric wisdom. Its a devised system you have learned to accept and not question. I might as well try to tell a Catholic that Mary is not God's mother. Telling her that God has no mother would not work. For she/he has an accepted concept that defies reason.

I understand and that is WHY I post my Scriptural views here on a Christian board. Haven't you noticed that no one here seems to care about what is actually written but only about what the traditional religious view has taught for thousands of years? It seems to me that most people would rather support something which cannot be supported Scripturally than to study God's Holy Word for what it actually says.

It's the same today as it was when Jesus walked this Earth. The traditional religious leaders of His day called for His Crucifixion because He exposed their unsupportable views. I truly hope that someone here can communicate an exegesis which does agree with what is actually written and can defend the current religious thinking, but so far, no one is stepping forward. Thanks for trying and God Bless you.

 

[GenemZ]

I understand and that is WHY I post my Scriptural views here on a Christian board.

Quoting Scripture does not make something Scriptural. Satan quoted Scripture when he tempted Jesus. One must know the context of what the Scripture speaks of with accuracy before something can be deemed Scriptural. Men distort Scripture all the time.

Haven't you noticed that no one here seems to care about what is actually written but only about what the traditional religious view has taught for thousands of years? It seems to me that most people would rather support something which cannot be supported Scripturally than to study God's Holy Word for what it actually says.

Who told you that? And, who told you that you are not doing the same thing? You really have no idea what has been believed for thousands of years. Because various ways have been known. You only see the popular accepted views. Not what has been known.

It's the same today as it was when Jesus walked this Earth. The traditional religious leaders of His day called for His Crucifixion because He exposed their unsupportable views. I truly hope that someone here can communicate an exegesis which does agree with what is actually written and can defend the current religious thinking, but so far, no one is stepping forward. Thanks for trying and God Bless you.

Here is exegesis for you! Do you have the patience to learn what has been understood for a very long time, but only by those who have an interest in finding out what the original languages have to say. Here! I have the actual book. But, its free online.

http://www.custance.org/Library/WFANDV/index.html

 

[Aman777]

Quoting Scripture does not make something Scriptural. Satan quoted Scripture when he tempted Jesus. One must know the context of what the Scripture speaks of with accuracy before something can be deemed Scriptural. Men distort Scripture all the time.

Sure they do and that is WHY I support what I write with the AGREEMENT of Scripture, Science and History. Ancient men could NOT have known what Scripture was actually teaching since God hid His Truth until the last days.

*** Who told you that? And, who told you that you are not doing the same thing? You really have no idea what has been believed for thousands of years. Because various ways have been known. You only see the popular accepted views. Not what has been known.

It's easy to find out what people believe. All you have to do is go online and post something which ancient men taught and everyone will agree with you. It's another matter when you post what Scripture actually says. You get enormous disagreement but NO one can refute you Scripturally.

*** Here is exegesis for you! Do you have the patience to learn what has been understood for a very long time, but only by those who have an interest in finding out what the original languages have to say. Here! I have the actual book. But, its free online.

http://www.custance.org/Library/WFANDV/index.html
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Doesn't work since it was written by a man instead of God. Why do you prefer to believe a man's view instead of what is actually written by the Holy Spirit? Do you really think that a study of Hebrew words will reveal the Truth God hid from them?

Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

 

[GenemZ]

Sure they do and that is WHY I support what I write with the AGREEMENT of Scripture, Science and History. Ancient men could NOT have known what Scripture was actually teaching since God hid His Truth until the last days.

*** Who told you that? And, who told you that you are not doing the same thing? You really have no idea what has been believed for thousands of years. Because various ways have been known. You only see the popular accepted views. Not what has been known.

It's easy to find out what people believe. All you have to do is go online and post something which ancient men taught and everyone will agree with you. It's another matter when you post what Scripture actually says. You get enormous disagreement but NO one can refute you Scripturally.

*** Here is exegesis for you! Do you have the patience to learn what has been understood for a very long time, but only by those who have an interest in finding out what the original languages have to say. Here! I have the actual book. But, its free online.

http://www.custance.org/Library/WFANDV/index.html
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Doesn't work since it was written by a man instead of God. Why do you prefer to believe a man's view instead of what is actually written by the Holy Spirit? Do you really think that a study of Hebrew words will reveal the Truth God hid from them?

Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

You did not even bother to study what I gave you. Its about exegesis. Not fables.

Until years later when science discovered and dated the age of fossils, no one reading the Torah back then could equate the fossils with what the Scriptures were always saying to us all along. The scientific discoveries only prove that what was written in the original languages is from God, and not man's inventions. You fail to see that.

You're not even reading what I showed you. But, others will understand. Keep that in mind. Its not about Jewish fables. What was thought of by Jewish scholars (who were born again, before the church age began) were not fables. They were only attempts at reconciling what the Scriptures were telling them. Which was? We are not the first created world to grace the surface of this planet. You missed that.

It actually is all logical and ends up making sense of it all.


Have a Good Day!

 

[Aman777]

You did not even bother to study what I gave you. Its exegesis. Not fables. Until science discovered and dated the age of fossils no one reading the Bible could equate them with what the Scriptures were always saying to us all along. The discovery only proves that what was written in the original languages is from God, and not man's inventions.

You're not even reading it. Others will understand, though. Keep that in mind.

Since the Holy Spirit knows more than any man ever will, I study what is actually written by Him, since there are thousands of denominations or unsupported "beliefs" of men. Since a man wrote the book you cited, I'm not interested in studying his personal view which does NOT agree with all of the other denominational views.

I have studied the original Hebrew and Greek words for more than 30 years and they do NOT agree with the religious views of today and God tells us WHY they do NOT. He showed Daniel How to hide His Truth until the last days when knowledge has increased, Dan 12:4 in order to insure that ONLY by Faith, which is a Gift from God, could men be saved. In these last days God will pour out His Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, upon ALL flesh, by showing them the total agreement of His Holy Word with ALL the discoveries of mankind:

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Does your view show the agreement of Scripture, Science and History or does it discount everything except your own personal Faith?