7 Day creation- literal or figurative?

[GenemZ]

I understand that you believe it.
What I don't understand is why God is said to possess that magical ability of accelerating a process which might take billions of years to accomplish something so that it takes no time at all. Or of doing without any process at all and simply saying something and "abracadabra!" it happens without any process at all.

We are not living in the first world created to grace the surface of this earth. And, the Bible tells us we will not be the last.

God had created others prehistoric worlds (sans, man being created in his image). The other worlds were the classrooms for educating angels in progressing steps of one grade level at a time. For, they had to learn about reality just like we do from infancy to adulthood in their thinking. Too many fail to see the great importance the angels are to God. For they too, were created in God's image. After all... they are called, "sons of God."

Its the prehistoric realm that prophets were made able to tap into. Prophets not only saw the future as many assume. They also saw the past that took place long before they were born. For, Eternal life knows no limits of time. God can see the past being a perspicuous as the present.... and with equal clarity concerning the future. Eternal life is not bound to the confines of time. God is eternal. He is always fully and equally cognizant of the past, present, and future simultaneously. God does not have memory. For, He is always knowing all things at all times. For us? That would make us insane. That is another reason God irks those who think they are so intelligent that nothing can limit their ability to comprehend concepts. It angers them because God makes them feel small and insignificant when it gets too deep (and too honest) for their self-comforting pride in themselves.

 

[tatteredsoul]

We are not living in the first world created to grace the surface of this earth. And, the Bible tells us we will not be the last.

God had created others prehistoric worlds (sans, man being created in his image). The other worlds were the classrooms for educating angels in progressing steps of one grade level at a time. For, they had to learn about reality just like we do from infancy to adulthood in their thinking. Too many fail to see the great importance the angels are to God. For they too, were created in God's image. After all... they are called, "sons of God.".

This is an incredibly interesting perspective. It would give an apology to the question of why angels would rebel - some out of pride, others out of want to create their own images and/or pollute the line of Christ so that whatever God''s plan with man was, it would fail.

It also explains other questions.

Where did you come up with this?

 

[GenemZ]

This is an incredibly interesting perspective. It would give an apology to the question of why angels would rebel - some out of pride, others out of want to create their own images and/or pollute the line of Christ so that whatever God''s plan with man was, it would fail.

It also explains other questions.

Where did you come up with this?

Several excellent sources,,, All scholar/teachers.

Here is one online that you can start with:

http://www.custance.org/Library/WFANDV/index.html



The attempt to pollute the line of Jesus is what took place in Genesis 6, just before the Lord God announced there would be a flood. The angels procreating with human women was an attack and attempt to stop the line of Jesus from being able to be born of pure human seed. These angels longed to have the good old days and to have all their fallen brothers and the beloved Lucifer back once more as one big family. Lucifer was deeply loved by the angels before he fell.

 

[GenemZ]

nada

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

This is an incredibly interesting perspective. It would give an apology to the question of why angels would rebel - some out of pride, others out of want to create their own images and/or pollute the line of Christ so that whatever God''s plan with man was, it would fail.

It also explains other questions.

Where did you come up with this?

As far as I know,
be aware that this or similar stories have often and thoroughly been proven to be entirely false and impossible based on the Bible - simply based on Yhwh's Revelation of Yeshua in Spirit, and His Breathed/ Written Word.
So certainly that Yhwh keeps us/ kept me/ from even entertaining the possibility of such stories..... (they lead to fruitless pursuits, and originated from sources other than Yhwh)....

 

[tatteredsoul]

As far as I know,
be aware that this or similar stories have often and thoroughly been proven to be entirely false and impossible based on the Bible - simply based on Yhwh's Revelation of Yeshua in Spirit, and His Breathed/ Written Word.
So certainly that Yhwh keeps us/ kept me/ from even entertaining the possibility of such stories..... (they lead to fruitless pursuits, and originated from sources other than Yhwh)....

I do exactly as you say: be(a)ware.

But, I have an issue with the Church handling of what has and hasn't been made available, what is "proper," and what is blasphemous. I entertain everything for this reason - within reason - and making sure to beware and watchful of the spirit of the message.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I do exactly as you say: be(a)ware.

But, I have an issue with the Church handling of what has and hasn't been made available, what is "proper," and what is blasphemous. I entertain everything for this reason - within reason - and making sure to beware and watchful of the spirit of the message.

Potentially Good !
Remember also Yhwh's Own Caution - IF anything does not correspond with or is not in Harmony With what we already have delivered to us as Yhwh's Word (Gospel of Jesus, Messiah come in the flesh)
then reject the message and the bearer of the message.

i.e. although it was decades ago so I don't wish to dig up the specifics,
the 'stories' were found to be
contrary to Yhwh's Word (Scripture); requiring twisting or violence to some part of His Word, thus disqualifying both the stories and the story tellers from being acceptable or true.

In contrast to this, or comparison perhaps, the many errors of the church likewise can not be accepted as true when they are contrary to and/or not in Harmony with all of Yhwh's Word;
yet
the many errors of the church or any others
does not make the errors of anyone else acceptable, even to consider or ponder. (once any opposition or contradiction to Yhwh's Word is revealed).

 

[Radrook]

This is an incredibly interesting perspective. It would give an apology to the question of why angels would rebel - some out of pride, others out of want to create their own images and/or pollute the line of Christ so that whatever God''s plan with man was, it would fail.

It also explains other questions.

Where did you come up with this?

It has always seemed quaint to me that creatures who have personally seen God face to face and witnessed his almightiness first hand should believe that they can succeed in their efforts against almighty power and infinite wisdom as embodied in God.

 

[Radrook]

That's lazy thinking. What you said flies in the face of logic of what can be known about God. Apparently? You simply believe God is a very powerful entity, and not God.

His unlimited abilities knock you out of your comfort zone. Possibly, even causes you to wonder why he allows you to live while holding such negativity towards his unchanging Integrity. You're no threat. No more than that speck of dust that just floated by a rock two thousand miles from your location.

The fact that I might question your concept of God's ability in no way is intended to mean that I don't consider Him to be the Creator and our heavenly father who deserves our devotion. It is very unfortunate that you choose to interpret things in that extremely negative, confrontational, insulting manner since it very effectively shuts down the discussion. But, you have a right to you opinion as I have a right to mine.

God Bless!

 

[Aman777]

Because His word is God. (John 1:1) He speaks it? Its God.

Amen. God the Trinity, the invisible Spirit speaks and Jesus (the physical Word) accomplishes the wishes of the invisible Spirit. It's what the Trinity does, God speaks and Jesus shapes it in the physical world.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

God lives in the 3rd Heaven where energy is abundant. He spoke and some of that energy was changed into matter, air, dust and water, in the beginning. Here is a picture of what the 3rd Heaven looks like:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

It took someone with a brain like Albert Einstein to understand this, about 100 years ago. God told us the same, thousands of years ago. Understanding God's Truth makes one as smart as Einstein. We will speak like our Father, in Heaven, and nothing will be impossible for us. We will speak energy into matter. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

The Hebrew also makes it very clear what is going on between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 2:3 - creation.

Good insight. The first 34 verses of Genesis tell of the complete History of God's Creation, including future events at the end of the present 6th Day, which is accomplished in God's 7 Days. All of the rest of the Bible refers back to One of the Seven Days shown in these verses. Amen?

 

[Radrook]

Look what Jesus did with the few loaves and few fishes, when he fed thousands.

I never denied that Jesus performed that miracle and other miracles which were far greater such as resurrecting the dead, curing leapers, healing the blind, walking on water, turning water into wine, calming a raging storm, immediately restoring a lopped-off ear, expelling demons from those possessed, etcetera.

 

[Radrook]

The creator practices no magic(k)s - inexplicable to His creation or otherwise.

Obviously the practice of magic is condemned in the OT and punishable by death. So there is no way that I would be thinking that God or Jesus when on Earth were practicing magic. In fact, that is an accusation Jesus' enemies expressed against him.

Question: "What is the difference between miracles and magic?"

Answer:

Magic and miracles might mean the same thing to some people, but there is actually a vast difference between the two terms. It is proper to say that Jesus worked miracles, but it would be wrong to attribute His works to magic. Basically, magic and miracles differ in their source: magic has either a human or demonic source, but miracles are a supernatural work of God.

http://www.gotquestions.org/difference-miracles-magic.html

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That is the myopia of secularism and its association with modern science. I am not saying you are a myopic, secularist; I am saying the paradigm concerning this OP is.

"If you cant explain it, it must be magic! God forbid humans humble themselves and realize they are incredibly limited in knowing the possible and impossible. Either it is magic, God did not do what He said, He didn't mean what He said..."

I never argued that if what God does is beyond present human understanding then it must be magic. You are creating straw man arguments and then smugly proceeding to attack them as if they were mine.

In reality, we don't need to speculate on God; His word is Perfect - and this is apparent in the original language He spoke to Adam and the Hebrews. When you look at the meaning of the Hebrew words, and the context (like a 24 hour earth day, as it is, cannot exist if there is no sun, moon or stars yet,) we can see the clarity of the situation without necessarily knowing the details. For example: knowing one day was an "aeon," without needing to know how long the aeon was.
Why would i assume that is possible?

I never claimed that God's word isn't perfect or that it is unclear.

Seriously, are we talking about the same deity again? The Most High God is omnipotent; the valodity of such an assumption is implicit in the definition of one of His characteristics.

I never claimed that The Most High God isn't omnipotent.
I agree, your concept of what omnipotence involves is way off kilter from my standpoint. Because of that, we are talking about two totally different entities and really lack a common ground for further discussion.

The Most High God is omniscience.

That is a whole new subject and one which deserves a thread all its own.

Now you are assuming this reality - and everything that led up to it - weren't there the most effective for whatever His purpose was/is.

I never said that I am assuming this particular plan isn't the best. You need to calm down and read things slowly and carefully in order to avoid hasty conclusions.

Christ was displaying humanity in that He wanted to be freed from the pain and suffering. He made a prayer/plea to take it away like we all have, but God''s plan is Perfect. This was His plan, and to assume it isnt the Best plan is to assume He is lacking.

I never said that I think it isn't the best plan or that Christ wasn't expressing his humanity.

I think we are talking about two different gods.

I wholeheartedly agree.
My god can't square a circle or do the impossibly paradoxical while yours can. It is also impossible for your god to be limited in moral choices while my God is.

 

[tatteredsoul]

Good insight. The first 34 verses of Genesis tell of the complete History of God's Creation, including future events at the end of the present 6th Day, which is accomplished in God's 7 Days. All of the rest of the Bible refers back to One of the Seven Days shown in these verses. Amen?

We could be saying some of the same things; I tend to think day 7 is from Genesis 2:4 - end.

 

[Radrook]

This is an incredibly interesting perspective. It would give an apology to the question of why angels would rebel - some out of pride, others out of want to create their own images and/or pollute the line of Christ so that whatever God''s plan with man was, it would fail.

It also explains other questions.

Where did you come up with this?

Interesting as such ideas might be, if they have no biblical support then they are merely conjectures. The Bible repeatedly warns us to never add anything to God's word. The consequences can be very unpleasant.

1 Cor 4:6
I have applied these things to myself and Apollos because of you, brothers and sisters, so that through us you may learn "not to go beyond what is written," ....

Rev 22: 18
18I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.…

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Deuteronomy 4:2 You shall not add to the word which I command you

Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.

 

[GenemZ]

It has always seemed quaint to me that creatures who have personally seen God face to face and witnessed his almightiness first hand should believe that they can succeed in their efforts against almighty power and infinite wisdom as embodied in God.

Ahhh! God appears to His created beings as one of them. Just as God made Himself become as a man in Jesus? And, as a result? Arrogant men were not afraid to oppose him if that was what they desired.

In the OT? We see God manifested as the Angel of Jehovah! In the prehistoric worlds? God presented Himself to the angels as one of them! THAT! Is why some angels felt comfortable to try to "crucify" His integrity.

 

[Radrook]

Ahhh! God appears to His created beings as one of them. Just as God made Himself become as a man in Jesus? And, as a result? Arrogant men were not afraid to oppose him if that was what they desired.

In the OT? We see God manifested as the Angel of Jehovah! In the prehistoric worlds? God presented Himself to the angels as one of them! THAT! Is why some angels felt comfortable to try to "crucify" His integrity.

Not all Christian have viewed or view Jesus as God incarnate.

 

[Aman777]

We could be saying some of the same things; I tend to think day 7 is from Genesis 2:4 - end.

Genesis 2:1-3 tells of the future 7th Day which will NOT begin until:

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

God's perfect heaven and earth are brought to perfection or "finished" which is the end of ALL of God's Creations and Notice that ALL the host of heaven is also brought to perfection. That includes all Christians.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Then, God will rest or Cease to Create because His creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven is finally made perfect, and God will rest or cease from "ALL" His work on the 7th Day which is Eternity.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from ALL His work which He had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from ALL His work which God created and made.

The 7th Day begins AFTER death is destroyed which is a future event. We know it's future because Funeral Homes are still thriving. The present 6th Day, the Day of Salvation, continues. When it's over, there will be NO death. Amen?

 

[tatteredsoul]

Genesis 2:1-3 tells of the future 7th Day which will NOT begin until:

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

God's perfect heaven and earth are brought to perfection or "finished" which is the end of ALL of God's Creations and Notice that ALL the host of heaven is also brought to perfection. That includes all Christians.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Then, God will rest or Cease to Create because His creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven is finally made perfect, and God will rest or cease from "ALL" His work on the 7th Day which is Eternity.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from ALL His work which He had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from ALL His work which God created and made.

The 7th Day begins AFTER death is destroyed which is a future event. We know it's future because Funeral Homes are still thriving. The present 6th Day, the Day of Salvation, continues. When it's over, there will be NO death. Amen?

You are right I should have said this is day 6 going on day 7.

 

[Aman777]

You are right I should have said this is day 6 going on day 7.

Amen, you got it. Today remains the 6th Day at Gen 1:27 until God stops creating mankind in His Image or in Christ Spiritually AND after Jesus rules and reigns for a thousand years on Planet Earth after His return. Gen 1:28-31 is prophecy of Future events which will happen AFTER Jesus returns.