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5th Woman Accuses Cain of Stiffing Group on Check.

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by DaisyDay, Nov 9, 2011.

  1. jamesrwright3

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    I have female friends and male friends. I can't remember the last time any male friend suggested we go out to dinner. I think it violates man code. I do go out to dinner with female friends and they are just friends.
     
  2. RedDead1981

    RedDead1981 Prayer is beautiful when it's sincere

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    lol My wife would raise an eyebrow if I were regularly taking female co-workers to dinner. But then, I'm not in a field where there are dinner-meetings as part of my job so it's probably not a fair comparison. ;)
     
  3. Assuredcw

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    Business dinners are supposed to follow 3 parameters IMO. They can either be he pays, or she pays, or nobody pays.

    I don't have a job that requires me to hobnob with anyone over dinner. That means that if you are at a seminar somewhere and your employer requires you to "work" during dinner, they will pay for your dinner. You will fill out an expense report and buy your own dinner, and your employer will reimburse you when you return to the office. If two people who are filling out expense reports for themselves get hungry, one person will say to the other, "Where are you going for dinner?" If the other person wants company, they will say, Chi Chi's Pizza or some place like that. If they don't, they will say they are just going to grab a sandwich "somewhere" but they will see you back at the seminar in 30 minutes.

    But if someone has a job that requires them to hobnob, the "hobnobee" will be wined and dined at an establishment that doesn't list $400 bottles of wine. You also know the business purpose for having that business dinner, that was your idea and that you (your company) are paying for. If Ms. Donella had invited Mr. Cain, she certainly would not have presented her employer with a nearly $1000 restaurant bill, because she would have controlled the expenses by reviewing the menus before making the reservation, surely.

    Mr. Cain would similarly have been in control of the expenses had he initiated a dinner meeting that had a business purpose. Also if Ms. Donatella didn't feel comfortable having dinner, she would have flexibility (as the "hobnobee") to convert this into a lunch invitation if she is "tired" and would rather go home at the end of a long day. He needs to hobnob with her, so it can be on her schedule and at her convenience. Also, and let me emphasize this, he would have paid the bill!

    But this was off the charts, because Mr. Cain extorted an expensive non-work-related after-hours dinner that would put Ms. Donatella way over budget and potentially jeopardize her job. It was an act of retaliation and sabotage that had nothing to do with business. On the contrary, he was important to her organization, not the reverse, so she felt obligated (although she dreaded the dinner, dragging colleagues along). It was rude to invite extra mouths to feed, but you have to see this as an indication of absolute panic. She knew he wasn't a nice man, and didn't want to be alone with him.
     
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  4. Self Improvement

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    All these people just happen to come out while his campaign is in full swing? Gee, wonder why. These days a woman can say a man did anything and he is screwed. It's the inherent sexism in our society which now puts a woman's word above a man's in terms of sexual harrassment.

    Because someone says something, does not make it so. Why this rule of logic goes out the window when a woman claims something like this is preposterous and I can't believe some of the people here who have abandoned all logic to pursue this.
     
  5. stamperben

    stamperben It's an old family tradition

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    Try the fact that while a person is under the radar it is basically a non-issue. But when the person is RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT it tells volumes about his character.

    Do you want to know about the character of perhaps the next President of the country, or doesn't that matter?
     
  6. katautumn

    katautumn Wandering, not lost.

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    Unless you live in Georgia, most people had not heard of Cain until he ran for president. Heck, I didn't even know he'd had a Senate run. All I knew was that he was a business man who had a popular news radio program on our local AM station. So it would stand to reason that if there were some past indiscretions they would come to light now and not a decade ago when nobody knew the man.

    I'll give an example. The company my husband used to work for had a production manager who had five claims of sexual harassment filed against him by five different female employees. He was fired when he finally made the huge mistake of making a sexually inappropriate comment to the plant manager's teenage daughter when she came by the plant one day. He went on to be the production manager of an even bigger company in the same town. He was fired a year later for...surprise, surprise - sexual harassment. Now he's the regional supervisor for another massive corporation, making well into the six figures a year.

    Now, my husband knows all of this, because he kept in touch with some of his former co-workers through Facebook and it's a small town where this guy lives and word travels fast. But outside of that circle, nobody knows he's a womanizing jerk with a lengthy history of workplace sexual harassment; however, you can be rest assured if he were running for POTUS these women would come out of the woodwork to expose him and discredit his character.
     
  7. Self Improvement

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    No, it doesn't matter. In the end it will be a different face yet the same exact thing. So no, it doesn't matter to me.
     
  8. stamperben

    stamperben It's an old family tradition

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    Well, that's fine.

    For you.

    For others however, it DOES matter.
     
  9. Panzerkamfwagen

    Panzerkamfwagen Es braust unser Panzer im Sturmwind dahin.

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    I couldn't tell you.
     
  10. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    I'd like to know about the character of the media people reporting the news, who are trying to shape the public's opinion of who should be the next President of the country---do they have any agendas or or positions which color or influence their reporting, which perhaps damage or eliminate entirely their complete neutrality and impartiality towards the candidates and the issues? To me, that's equally important as the person running for the office.
     
  11. stamperben

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    Really? The character of the media is on par with the leader of the free world? Astounding revelation there...

    The fact is that everyone is biased. EVERYONE. And no matter what sort of journalistic ethics they may try to abide by, they are not gods, so their biases WILL come through. That makes your and my job difficult to do when making one of the most important choices we can ever do every four years when we take on our obligation to decide on a leader for our country. So that puts the burden on us to make the best choice. US, not the media. So again, that makes the character of the man running for the office MUCH more important than those reporting on the race for the office.
     
  12. Assuredcw

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    As well they should. Praise God! :)
     
  13. Assuredcw

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    The story in the original posting is as bare bones as you can get. But Maggie Haberman of Politico has included details that IMO would be relevant to any woman who has suffered sexual harrassment. No interpretation was given - only the facts. We have interpreted them in our discussion here, as a reader would normally do. :)
     
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