5 Questions Evolutionists Can't Answer

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Always an issue with being a fallible human.

Just look what they did to Pluto!

 

[mathetes123]

One begins to suspect you are deliberately avoiding the question. Are you capable of answering my question?

All humans lack the moral authority to judge their creator. In the abscence of Jesus substitutionary death on the cross for our sins, we all stand condemned. The bible is clear that all have sinned and that the penalty for sin is death.

 

[TLK Valentine]

All humans lack the moral authority to judge their creator.

And yet I'm doing it just fine -- and if the Bible is to be believed, I find Him wanting.

In the abscence of Jesus substitutionary death on the cross for our sins, we all stand condemned. The bible is clear that all have sinned and that the penalty for sin is death.

And we care what the Bible says because...?

 

[mathetes123]

And yet I'm doing it just fine -- and if the Bible is to be believed, I find Him wanting.



And we care what the Bible says because...?

He did give you free will. It's your choice to reject Him, just don't blame Him for the results of your's and other's rejection and rebellion against their creator which is the source of all that is wrong in the world that you blame on your creator.

 

[Belk]

All humans lack the moral authority to judge their creator. In the abscence of Jesus substitutionary death on the cross for our sins, we all stand condemned. The bible is clear that all have sinned and that the penalty for sin is death.

Thank you. So you are in exactly the same boat as those of us who judge the character portrayed in the bible as negative. You can judge his actions to be good but since you do not have the "moral authority" or knowledge you are relying on your flawed human capacities.

 

[mathetes123]

Thank you. So you are in exactly the same boat as those of us who judge the character portrayed in the bible as negative. You can judge his actions to be good but since you do not have the "moral authority" or knowledge you are relying on your flawed human capacities.

There is a difference between judging and discerning between right and wrong choices.

 

[Belk]

There is a difference between judging and discerning between right and wrong choices.

OK. Explain the difference and how I can tell between the two.

 

[mathetes123]

OK. Explain the difference and how I can tell between the two.

Judging carries with it the idea of condemning or sentencing another which implies one has the moral authority to pass such judgement, where discernment is the capacity to dintinguish between good and bad choices.

When someone says that lying is wrong they are exercising discernment. No judgement is involved in calling a wrong choice a wrong choice.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Judging carries with it the idea of condemning or sentencing another which implies one has the moral authority to pass such judgement, where discernment is the capacity to dintinguish between good and bad choices.

When someone says that lying is wrong they are exercising discernment. No judgement is involved in calling a wrong choice a wrong choice.

judge (jj)
v. judged, judg·ing, judg·es
v.tr.
1. To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.
2.
a. Law To hear and decide on in a court of law; try: judge a case.
b. Obsolete To pass sentence on; condemn.
c. To act as one appointed to decide the winners of: judge an essay contest.
3. To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.
4. Informal To have as an opinion or assumption; suppose: I judge you're right.
5. Bible To govern; rule. Used of an ancient Israelite leader.
v.intr.
1. To form an opinion or evaluation.
2. To act or decide as a judge.
n.
1. One who judges, especially:
a. One who makes estimates as to worth, quality, or fitness: a good judge of used cars; a poor judge of character.
b. Abbr. J. Law A public official who hears and decides cases brought before a court of law.
c. Law A bankruptcy referee.
d. One appointed to decide the winners of a contest or competition.
2. Bible
a. A leader of the Israelites during a period of about 400 years between the death of Joshua and the accession of Saul.
b. Judges (used with a sing. verb) Abbr. Judg. or Jgs or Jg See Table at Bible.

 

[mathetes123]

judge (jj)
v. judged, judg·ing, judg·es
v.tr.
1. To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.
2.
a. Law To hear and decide on in a court of law; try: judge a case.
b. Obsolete To pass sentence on; condemn.
c. To act as one appointed to decide the winners of: judge an essay contest.
3. To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.
4. Informal To have as an opinion or assumption; suppose: I judge you're right.
5. Bible To govern; rule. Used of an ancient Israelite leader.
v.intr.
1. To form an opinion or evaluation.
2. To act or decide as a judge.
n.
1. One who judges, especially:
a. One who makes estimates as to worth, quality, or fitness: a good judge of used cars; a poor judge of character.
b. Abbr. J. Law A public official who hears and decides cases brought before a court of law.
c. Law A bankruptcy referee.
d. One appointed to decide the winners of a contest or competition.
2. Bible
a. A leader of the Israelites during a period of about 400 years between the death of Joshua and the accession of Saul.
b. Judges (used with a sing. verb) Abbr. Judg. or Jgs or Jg See Table at Bible.

Not sure of your point here.

 

[Loudmouth]

Judging carries with it the idea of condemning or sentencing another . . .

You can judge a beauty pageant and no one goes to jail. You can judge for yourself which is better, vanilla or chocolate ice cream. You can judge whether or not a car will fit into your garage.

which implies one has the moral authority to pass such judgement, where discernment is the capacity to dintinguish between good and bad choices.

If we do not have the ability to judge for ourselves what is and isn't moral then how can anyone claim that God is moral? If, as you seem to indicate, we are incapable of judging morality for ourselves then for all we know God is immoral. We wouldn't even know, now would we?

 

[mathetes123]

You can judge a beauty pageant and no one goes to jail. You can judge for yourself which is better, vanilla or chocolate ice cream. You can judge whether or not a car will fit into your garage.

If we do not have the ability to judge for ourselves what is and isn't moral then how can anyone claim that God is moral? If, as you seem to indicate, we are incapable of judging morality for ourselves then for all we know God is immoral. We wouldn't even know, now would we?

I can discern good from bad choices.

I'm not falling for your attempts at twisting word meanings.

 

[Loudmouth]

I can discern good from bad choices.

Then we can discern for ourselves whether God's choices are good or bad.

 

[mathetes123]

Then we can discern for ourselves whether God's choices are good or bad.

You can't even discern for yourself that you are a sinner in need of a savior, presuming yourself to be morally superior to those of us who recognize their own sin even to the point of presuming to judge you own creator.

 

[Loudmouth]

You can't even discern for yourself that you are a sinner in need of a savior, presuming yourself to be morally superior to those of us who recognize their own sin even to the point of presuming to judge you own creator.

I can discern for myself if I have done good or bad, and I can also discern what is good and bad even if I have done bad in the past. I feel sorry for people who can not tell the difference between good and bad.

Also, my mom and dad created me, but that doesn't make them infallible. A creator can still be immoral. There is nothing about the activity of creating that makes one infallible and forever morally good.

 

[AV1611VET]

I feel sorry for people who can not tell the difference between good and bad.

Would the shooting down of American Airlines Flight 11 been good or bad?

 

[Loudmouth]

Would the shooting down of American Airlines Flight 11 been good or bad?

If God ordered it, apparently it would be good. If God ordered you to march down and kill infants apparently that would be good as well.

 

[AV1611VET]

Would the shooting down of American Airlines Flight 11 been good or bad?

If God ordered it, apparently it would be good.

Would you have ordered it, if you could?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Would you have ordered it, if you could?

Any person who believes in a forgiving God shouldn't have any problem ordering (or committing) any death -- regardless of scale.

 

[mark kennedy]

Then we can discern for ourselves whether God's choices are good or bad.

Did the literal meaning of the word elude you somehow? God means 'good'. In all the time I have debated atheists I have never been asked for a definition for the core term, 'God'. There's a reason for that and it's a self evident fact, the refection of God's glory in nature.