5 Questions Evolutionists Can't Answer

AV1611VET said:

What does love have to do with it?

If your wife was on American Airlines Flight 11, would you have shot it down?

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More pertinently, would your god have shot it down, or would an omniscient, all-powerful entity who can do anything have a better option, hmm?

AV1611VET said:

Same question to you then:

Would you shoot down American Airlines Flight 11?

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I answered that question yesterday, and you didn't like the answer.

AV1611VET said:

I can usually tell when I make a good point.

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Quite obviously you can't, not that I can think of an example of you making a good point off the top of my head, but if you do I'll let you know for future reference.

Belk said:

So you do not know if God is actually good or not? The whole thing is might makes right and you are incapable of judging his actions?

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Even if that is not what fundamentalists intended to say, that pretty much summarize the moral system of fundamentalism; fundamentalists are not able to judge for them self what is morally right or wrong and need to be told it. Or rather more correctly; what is moral correct, according to a fundamentalist, is a projection of their on prejudgments and/or fears onto being Gods moral. Obviously, fundamentalist (ab)uses God so they can maintain that their own moral code is superiors to any others; it is a quite dangerous game to play if you ask me.... just look around in the world and you might understand what I mean.

AV1611VET said:

I wouldn't expect anything less from you guys.

At least I answer questions.

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Do you not understand that in saying what you just said you for all practical purposes says they deserve to die. Do you understand this?

You have just opened Pandora's Box....

AV1611VET said:

No, thank you.
We could dance with this all day long, making points for each others' sides.

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It is duly noted you now backs off when in deep water...

AV1611VET said:

The difference is, you're presenting your side as exclusive;

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When did I present my side as exclusive? On the contrary I admitted I can be wrong or mistaken... but apparently you did not like the answer I gave to you. However, it is still an answers to your question...

But when I asked you a question in return to validate your own position you now refuse to answer by conjure up an accusation as an excuse for this - this despite you claim that you do answer questions...

AV1611VET said:

while I'm showing the flip side as being just as justifiable.

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Does this mean this is not your position in this question but just rhetoric on your part?

AV1611VET said:

Same question to you then:

Would you shoot down American Airlines Flight 11?

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If I was omnipotent I would not shoot it down. But make it land safe....and even if I was not omnipotent I would try make it land safe (and I am not playing by your Black&White made up rules, i.e. your gun solutions to things...)

AV1611VET said:

What does love have to do with it?

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That is what I wonder too....

AV1611VET said:

What does love have to do with it?

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I find myself asking that very question about nearly everything you and most of the Christians on this board post.

mathetes123 said:

It does not give me the willies. Atheists have no basis for making any moral judgements.

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Atheist does what common sense teach them to be the right things to do, that implies atheist do altruistic action from time to time.... not for fear or rewards from a deity but because atheist common sense tells them what is the right thing to do. Atheists common sense is base on literacy, education, respect for human rights and empathy toward other human beings and what is thought to be fair and just.

Moral codex is determined by the social rules and agreements on how we like to live our life with each others and in most case that means a peaceful and respectful coexistence with each others - because that is what everyone wants and needs the most... I know this, and talking from my own experiences here, because I am born, raised and educated in one of the most secular and atheist countries in the world; namely Sweden.

Sweden, as being a secular and atheistic country, is ranked among the most richest, well educated, peacefully and happiest people in the world. We share our wealth with each others, not because we have to but because we wants to; it makes people feel safer and be able to live happier lives with less worries.

If that does not tell something about moral values among atheist, I dunno what will....

mathetes123 said:

In the absence of an absolute moral law giver there can be no absolute moral laws and any moral claim is reduced to subjective opinion of no more value than the next persons opinion.

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That is true, but....

There is no need for an absolute moral law for the simple reason such things cannot be applied to every situation. All it needs is to function and to produce the thing we agreed we wants from it, i.e. in Sweden's case make people feel safer and happier, whether such moral code is absolute or not is irrelevant for this goal... it is about common agreement in what kind of society you like to live in. The subjective nature of moral values is what makes atheist tolerant towards other belief system; it is simply not the atheist business how you like to live your life and any one is free to form their own community with their own shared values if they like.

This because moral system is a product of the environment they exists in. Moral codex for a social cooperating system (which human are) are quite different from, say, a solitary living existence. Just look around in nature and you will notice animal uses different moral codex dependent on the social structure they are organized in.

If you like to live in society with murder, rape, thefts and discrimination (like in US of A), feel free... but we Swedes and the rest of Western Europe, as being secular and atheists, tends not to like to live our lives like that and will likely condemn or be critical toward those who make such choice for humanitary reasons.


Perhaps you now understand why we values literacy and education so highly in Sweden....

TLK Valentine said:

I find myself asking that very question about nearly everything you and most of the Christians on this board post.

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Sadly, hypocrisy is, as a fact, most often found among those that speak about moral values as being absolute and objective...

In situ said:

Sadly, hypocrisy is, as a fact, most often found among those that speak about moral values as being absolute and objective...

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That would make logical sense as one must have values in the first place to be subject to an accusation of hypocricy.

mathetes123 said:

That would make logical sense as one must have values in the first place to be subject to an accusation of hypocricy.

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Not at all -- one must merely claim to have them.

Belk said:

So you do not know if God is actually good or not? The whole thing is might makes right and you are incapable of judging his actions?

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You are incapable of grasping all the relevant knowledge, which makes you incapable of judging God's actions.

Mr Strawberry said:

I'll ask you the same question I asked earlier in the thread. How about murdering babies? Is that good? Because your god is rather keen on it.

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How many baby codfish die with each hatching? Are we not evolved codfish, according to you? How is one greater than the other? Yet, the baby codfish must die for the strength of the food chain to survive. When you can grasp the morality of a codfish, perhaps you can learn how that applies to man.

KWCrazy said:

You are incapable of grasping all the relevant knowledge, which makes you incapable of judging God's actions.

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I think it is more like; he does not agree with your perceptions.