5 dead, more than a dozen injured at LGBTQ nightclub in Colorado

[Aldebaran]

Yes there is only one scientific truth. There are males and females. Males are he/him and females are she/her. Multiples are they/them. Thats it. Anything else is pure nonsense and I don't want to be forced into participating in it.

Imagine what our English teachers would have said back when we were in grade school.
I shudder to think of what they have to teach children now.

 

[Bradskii]

Believe it or not, I agree with you. They can call themselves whatever they want. The problem begins when they start demanding that I refer to them by something other than what they obviously are. If Bob says he's a girl, then good for him. If Bob demands that I refer to him as a girl, and I choose not to, I'm not violating Bob in any way. But if Bob starts using physical or legal means to coerce me into calling him a girl, or tries to get me fired from my job for it, then I have a problem with that because he'd be violating my rights in doing so.

You, of course, when introduced to someone always ask 'Have you always been this particular gender?'

 

[Bradskii]

The question is why did the lawyer stipulate "they/them" only to never follow through?

I personally think it was an initial attempt to avoid an additional charge of a hate crime. But then realised it wouldn't fly. So has abandoned it.

 

[rjs330]

You, of course, when introduced to someone always ask 'Have you always been this particular gender?'

Why would you have to ask that? We never had to ask a person that before. We just referred to people as he/him, she/her and they/them for plural etc.

We chose by their name and what they looked like.

Listen, if somebody was born a man and but decided they were a woman and he changed his name to Lucy and he looked just like a woman and I had no clue I'd call him a she/her.

But if he looked like a dude and he introduced himself as Lucy I'd call him a he/him. Cause thats what he looks like. My best friend had a daughter who is transgender. She had top surgery and got hormones and calls himself Quinn. I call him Quinn. He has facial hair and everything.

 

[Aldebaran]

You, of course, when introduced to someone always ask 'Have you always been this particular gender?'

Are you serious? It's hard to tell anymore.

 

[rjs330]

Are you serious? It's hard to tell anymore.

I don't think so. I still think it's easy to tell the difference the vast majority of the time. Once in a while you may run into a trans person that really look like the opposite sex, but 99% of the time they still look like the sex they were born with. And if they really do look like a woman or a man and they are not, I don't really have an issue calling them what they look like. Why wouldn't I if I wouldn't know?

 

[Aldebaran]

I don't think so. I still think it's easy to tell the difference the vast majority of the time. Once in a while you may run into a trans person that really look like the opposite sex, but 99% of the time they still look like the sex they were born with. And if they really do look like a woman or a man and they are not, I don't really have an issue calling them what they look like. Why wouldn't I if I wouldn't know?

True enough.

 

[Bradskii]

Listen, if somebody was born a man and but decided they were a woman and he changed his name to Lucy and he looked just like a woman and I had no clue I'd call him a she/her.

Then There's no problem.

 

[rturner76]

But if he looked like a dude and he introduced himself as Lucy I'd call him a he/him.

Why not just humor them and call them what they want? Does it affect you in any way either way?

 

[rjs330]

Then There's no problem.

There's all kinds of problems.

I've maintained that the problem is not adults making their own decisions. It's adults helping kids make bad decisions.

The second problem is adults demanding we call them something they absolutely do not look like. And wanting to punish others when they do not.

A third problem is men participating in women's sports.

A fourth problem is males demanding to use locker rooms and showers with females.

So yes there still are problems.

 

[Bradskii]

...adults demanding we call them something they absolutely do not look like. And wanting to punish others when they do not.

'Hey, the new girl in accounts looks like a man. I'm going to use he and him when referring to that person'.

Really?

 

[rjs330]

Why not just humor them and call them what they want? Does it affect you in any way either way?

A flat denial of reality hurts all of us. Because if we can deny reality there is no reality for any of us. Society breaks down when there is no reality.

 

[rturner76]

A flat denial of reality hurts all of us. Because if we can deny reality there is no reality for any of us. Society breaks down when there is no reality.

So in your "society" there is no place for the transgendered?

 

[rjs330]

'Hey, the new girl in accounts looks like a man. I'm going to use he and him when referring to that person'.

Really?

Yes. We have done this throughout the history of the human race we can tell 99% it more of the time if someone is a man or woman. It's not that hard. I've lived quite a while and have no difficulty doing so.

Like I said if she really has gone through the changing process and really looks like a woman then I would have no idea. I just call it like I see it.

 

[rjs330]

So in your "society" there is no place for the transgendered?

I've been consistent in this. The transgendered have a mental illness and as such we need to have compassionate n for them, but compassion NEVER requires us to go along with delusion. We do not do that with ANY other delusional person.

However, if a transgendered person undergoes all the procedures to alter their bodies to look like and represent as a female then we can call them as they appear. If they've gone to that extent to alter everything then I don't see why not. I would never know.

But if they look like a dude and have all the dude parts then they do not belong in a woman's locker room or women's sports and we should be free to call them a dude and use male pronouns.

 

[rturner76]

I've been consistent in this. The transgendered have a mental illness and as such we need to have compassionate n for them, but compassion NEVER requires us to go along with delusion. We do not do that with ANY other delusional person.

However, if a transgendered person undergoes all the procedures to alter their bodies to look like and represent as a female then we can call them as they appear. If they've gone to that extent to alter everything then I don't see why not. I would never know.

But if they look like a dude and have all the dude parts then they do not belong in a woman's locker room or women's sports and we should be free to call them a dude and use male pronouns.

Why not use the pronoun they would prefer? Would it affect you in any way?

 

[Bradskii]

Yes. We have done this throughout the history of the human race we can tell 99% it more of the time if someone is a man or woman. It's not that hard. I've lived quite a while and have no difficulty doing so.

Like I said if she really has gone through the changing process and really looks like a woman then I would have no idea. I just call it like I see it.

'Why are using 'him' to refer to Mary?'
'Because Mary looks like a man.'
'But it's incredibly upsetting to her'.
'Hey, that doesn't worry me. I just call it as I see it.'

I think that anyone taking that position would be justly ridiculed and ostracized.

 

[Aldebaran]

'Why are using 'him' to refer to Mary?'
'Because Mary looks like a man.'
'But it's incredibly upsetting to her'.
'Hey, that doesn't worry me. I just call it as I see it.'

I think that anyone taking that position would be justly ridiculed and ostracized.

Sounds like "Mary" should take a look in the mirror and accept reality rather than insisting society play out his fantasy.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Sounds like "Mary" should take a look in the mirror and accept reality rather than insisting society play out his fantasy.

What if Mary was born with female parts, identifies as female, and your stupid perceptions clocks her as male?

 

[Aldebaran]

What if Mary was born with female parts, identifies as female, and your stupid perceptions clocks her as male?

That's a big "what if".
Let's stick with reality, not denial.