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Futurist Only 4 Riders of the Apocalypse

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Jeffwhosoever, Jun 4, 2021.

  1. Jeffwhosoever

    Jeffwhosoever Faithful Servant Staff Member Assistant Chaplain Angels Team Supporter

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    For Futurists, who are the 4 riders of the apocalypse? Revelation 6:1-8 (quoted from NASB) - also referred to at the first 4 seals:

    The First Seal: Conqueror on a White Horse
    6 Then I saw when the Lamb broke one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, “Come!” 2 I looked, and behold, a white horse, and the one who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

    The Second Seal: War
    3 When He broke the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come!” 4 And another, a red horse, went out; and to him who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from the earth, and that people would kill one another; and a large sword was given to him.

    The Third Seal: Famine
    5 When He broke the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, “Come!” I looked, and behold, a black horse, and the one who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. 6 And I heard something like a voice in the center of the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not damage the oil and the wine.”

    The Fourth Seal: Death
    7 When the Lamb broke the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come!” 8 I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and the one who sat on it had the name Death, and Hades was following with him. Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, and famine, and plague, and by the wild animals of the earth.
     
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  2. Jeffwhosoever

    Jeffwhosoever Faithful Servant Staff Member Assistant Chaplain Angels Team Supporter

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  3. Marilyn C

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    Hi Jeff.....

    Are you really interested? Hope so.

    The 4 horse men are the same as the 4 beastly federations that Daniel saw in the end times.

    1. White horse is the British Commonwealth and America comes along side with them too. (lion and eagle) They conquered over 1/4 of the world.

    2. The Russian Federation. Started with the Soviets who killed over 40 million in their gulags, (great sword) Known as the bear.

    3. The European Union, which has sold the world on its free market philosophy that is bringing hyperinflation to the economies of the world.The multi nationals are taking over.

    4. Death. This is the terrifying Federation about to form, Islam. They will kill over 1/4 of the people of the world. Their terrible atrocities across the world are plain to see.

    regards, Marilyn.
     
  4. Matt5

    Matt5 Answer the question before the lecture.

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    What's worse than no help? Actually helping.

    We are looking for shocks during the entire end-time period. All shocks (seals 1 to 7) are nuclear except one. If somebody is getting nuked then maybe you should get out of the way because retaliation is coming.

    Horse #
    1. 1945: US drops atomic bomb on Japan. Rider = US.
    2. 2001: 9/11. Rider = Islam.
    3. 2021?: Isaiah 17 - Israel nukes its neighbors. Rider = Israel.
    4. 2022?: Isaiah 18 - US is nuked in retaliation for #3. Rider = US.

    The white horse (US) gets transformed into the pale horse (US) in the 4th seal. This is the end of part 1 of the end-times.
     
  5. Matt5

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    It is Iran (and Allah) who is behind the war on Israel which forces Israel to use nukes.

    It is Iran (and Allah) who is behind the destruction of the US, Russia and China.

    Iran is behind seals 2 to 6. Allah is always in the background.
     
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    The 4 horsemen are good/ bad conditions of faithfulness/ unfaithfulness.

    the white horseman is this for the faithful
    Deut 28:7 The LORD will cause the enemies who rise up against you to be defeated before you. They will march out against you in one direction but flee from you in seven.​
    the 'hail & fire' of the 1st Trumpet correlates to God defeating the enemies of the faithful.

    the red horseman is war - the faithful are attacked but these enemies are destroyed

    the 3rd horseman is 'famine' but for the 'oil & wine', the faithful, it is
    Deut 28:4 The fruit of your womb will be blessed, as well as the produce of your land and the offspring of your livestock— the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.​
    that's why the 3rd Seal / horseman famine correlates to the 3rd Trumpet, wormwood, which is connected to the 'bitter water' ritual of Numbers 5. The unfaithful 'woman' loses her child (wormwood was an ancient abortifactient).

    the 4th horseman is death which has no analog to the faithful who receive life.

    For the unfaithful, the white horseman is the king that they appoint for themselves (an illegitimate ruler, an example of which was King Jeroboam, 1st king of 10 tribe Israel).
    Deut 28:36 The LORD will bring you and the king you appoint to a nation neither you nor your fathers have known, and there you will worship other gods—gods of wood and stone. 37You will become an object of horror, scorn, and ridicule among all the nations to which the LORD will drive you.​

    The 4th horseman, death, is the foreign king that forces the unfaithful to worship a different god/ gods (an example would be the Assyrian who took over 10 tribe Israel).

    For the unfaithful, the 2nd Seal/ horseman is war that defeats them.
    Deut 28:25 The LORD will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will march out against them in one direction but flee from them in seven. You will be an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth. 26 Your corpses will be food for all the birds of the air and beasts of the earth, with no one to scare them away.
    for the unfaithful, the 3rd Seal is famine
    Deut 28:15 If, however, you do not obey the LORD your God by carefully following all His commandments and statutes I am giving you today, all these curses will come upon you and overtake you: 16You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country. 17 Your basket and kneading bowl will be cursed. 18The fruit of your womb will be cursed,as well as the produce of your land, the calves of your herds, and the lambs of your flocks.​

    The abomination of desolation is the manner by which it is known if people are faithful or unfaithful. The Day of the Lord's wrath, announced at the 6th Seal, begins at the Trumpets - people who worship the abomination are subject to God's wrath.
     
  7. Jeffwhosoever

    Jeffwhosoever Faithful Servant Staff Member Assistant Chaplain Angels Team Supporter

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    I am VERY VERY interested. We are in a year long study of eschatology with others who have been saved for at least 30 years, and we are involving senior pastors from time to time as well to discuss with us. I have even talked to Dr. Russell Gentry via email about speaking to us, so yes I am 100% interested. The reason for the timing of this question is this Thursday we start Revelation chapter 6.
     
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    What Are the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse?

    What do the four horsemen represent?
    In summary:

    • The white horse of the Apocalypse represents religious deception.
    • The red horse of the Apocalypse represents wars.
    • The black horse of the Apocalypse represents famines.
    • The pale horse of the Apocalypse represents pestilence (disease epidemics and pandemics) and death.
     
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    After reading that I wonder if we are not already in the first of the 7 final years of time until the Lord returns.
     
  10. Douggg

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    The rider on white horse represents the little horn who destroys many by peace. He becomes the Antichrist and confirms the law of Moses covenant for the 7 year cycle required by Moses of the leaders of Israel.

    The rider on the red horse represents war breaks out when he goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God. And shortly thereafter, becomes the beast. The image made of him, placed on the temple mount, and the great tribulation begins.

    The rider on the black horse represents famine when the plagues of the trumpets and vials begin to be poured out - destroying the grass which herd animals depend upon, which in turn with herd animals decimated which the predator animals depend upon will turn to hunting men.

    The fish in the sea die so that food source is destroyed as well. With the grass gone, and a big portion of the trees, dust bowls like back in the great depression will be global, crops unable to grow. A third of the ships destroyed, oil will not be making its way into the dependent nations of the world - which what food there is can't be delivered to the cities because no fuel for the trucks. Anarchy will be rampant.

    At the same time, the 666 buy/sell law will go into effect.

    The rider on the pale horse is death, as millions die under those conditions, starvation, predation, martyred, and war.

    The planet would become lifeless if Jesus doesn't return to end it all.
     
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  11. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Not into the 7 years yet.

    First there has to be emergence of the ten leader form of government in the EU. And one leader over them - who is a Jew, has a stout appearance (whatever that turns out be), who is positive about the future of mankind.

    Then after a unknown amount of time, Gog/Magog takes place, which it is the certainty that the 7 years do not begin until shortly following that event - when the little horn person, the prince who shall come into the middle east, is thought to be the messiah by the Jews, anointed the King of Israel, confirms the law of Moses covenant requirement - and the 7 years start.
     
  12. Marilyn C

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    Hi Jeff...,

    That is not possible for the Body of Christ is the first purpose to be completed. When we are gathered together and go to our eternal setting in glory, to rule & reign with the Lord, then He will begin the judgments, of which we take part.

    Marilyn.
     
  13. Marilyn C

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    Hi Jeff,

    We do not interpret God`s word for ourselves for God Himself has His interpretation of what He means. Otherwise it is up to everyone`s opinion and that is nonsense. So we look to God`s word for His interpretation. And Daniel the Prophet was shown who the 4 great federations (kingdoms) were in the time of the Lord setting up His rulership through Israel.

    The emblems of Lion, Eagle, Bear, Leopard and terrifying beast, (federation) are quite clear as to the super powers of our time. God says they are kingdoms, (Federations) in Dan. 7: 23.

    Marilyn.
     
  14. Jeffwhosoever

    Jeffwhosoever Faithful Servant Staff Member Assistant Chaplain Angels Team Supporter

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    I'm a student of eschatology trying to learn so don't mistake me for one of these veteran experts!

    Who are the superpowers you refer to? US must be the Eagle, Russia the Bear, but not sure who after that?
     
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    Jeffwhosoever Faithful Servant Staff Member Assistant Chaplain Angels Team Supporter

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    May I take it you are a pre-trib rapture believer? Not mid-trib, pre-wrath, or post trib?

    I am a Futurist and Premillenialist but not far along enough to say which point I think the rapture happens. We are just starting Revelation chapter 6 this week and we've been studying Revelation weekly since late January of this year. Last week we went quicky (2 hours) through Daniel 2, 7, 9, 11, and 12.
     
  16. Marilyn C

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    Hi Jeff,

    Now that is very good of you to ask those questions. You don`t have to believe what I have been taught, but at least you are going to have listen and think for yourself.

    Daniel was shown these super powers as t there beginnings, while John in Rev. was shown them as they were about to go into the trib, to be judged. The scroll being a judgment scroll.

    These superpowers of our day are a phenomenon, (extraordinary) of our time. The first to arise was the British Empire, that conquered over 1/4 of the world. It had then emblem of the `Lion.` Today that Empire is now the British Commonwealth and still a great power in the world. From that Empire we know that America broke away and become independent, but they still work along side Britain. And you are right we recognise the USA with the Eagle emblem.
    Note in Dan. 7 and Rev. 6, that super power, Britain, is the only one crowned, having a monarch as ruler.

    Then yes the Bear emblem was for the Soviets, the next super power, after WW1, and then in 1991 it changed to the Russian Federation we know today.

    The `leopard` emblem was for the European countries, on their shields, and tday they have become the European Union which started with 4 heads/leaders, (Dan. 7: 6) (Italy, France, Germany and Benelux). Today they have developed to 27 nations. Their free market (trade) philosophy is bringing hyperinflation all over the world. (Rev. 6: 5 & 6, a day`s pay for a loaf of bread).

    The final beast/horse is Islam, the most terrifying Federation there ever will be. it will arise in the tribulation. Its leader will deceive the other leaders of the super powers, till he has control and then tread them down. (Dan. 7: 7) They kill a 1/4 of the people of the world. (Rev. 6: 7 & 8)

    Marilyn.
     
  17. Marilyn C

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    Hi Jeff,

    You probably have been taught that the RRE, (Revived Roman Empire) will arise. Not possible. So I am pleased you are at least looking at other views. I was taught what I have shared many, many years ago when the Arabs were mainly in the desert, and look at them now, with their great wealth and amazing cities.

    As to the rapture, we are very, very close now, perhaps a year away, I believe. Hyperinflation is looming, (Rev. 6: 7 & 8) and then the Russian war against Israel, (Ez. 38 & 39) We, the Body of Christ will go just before that war, but we will see them massing their troops outside the Golan heights.

    I`ve written quite a lot, (with both answers) so please ask questions if you want to.

    regards, Marilyn.
     
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    I don’t think it’s a “who”, but rather, growing trends and violence which we will see more and more of as the End approaches.

    This entire COVID catastrophe has had the air of something apocalyptic with everything shutting down, borders closed, some towns blocked off in the beginning, increasingly strict rules, food shortages in some parts of the world, churches closing, and vaccines being pushed as the amazing cure-all. It’s weird.

    Wars used to be regional; now, they’re global. Communism and Islam keep rising, keep destroying, and keep lying to people. It’s a trend.
     
  19. Marilyn C

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    As to the super powers - Britain, America, Russia and the EU, these all control the main Global Institutions - the G7, G20, and the UN. So you can see how strong their influence is, (at the moment).

    The next big event is the transferring all currencies to their central banks, becoming digital, and programmable. Then the IMF, (International Monetary Fund) will control all the Central Banks of the world through their debts, thus becoming the world`s lender of last resort - the banker of the world.
     
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    There is only and only one white horse, and only and only one rider. In a first moment the rider of the white horse fights with a simple bow. In a second moment, or later, precisely from the beginning of the FIRST half of the last week, the 70th week Daniel 9:v.27, he will fight with a sharp Sword against the two main Enemies of God's people: The Beast of sea and the false prophet. Revelation 19:v.19-21

    That said, we must discern that to fight with BOW is one thing, to fight with a sharp Sword is another thing. What does the Word of God, or rather, the prophecy reveals about the rider fighting with a bow? Psalms 45:v.4-5-

    4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things. 5 Thine ARROWS are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee. Revelation 6:v.2 is the fulfilment of this prophetic message of Psalms 45. Its about Michael - Revelation 12


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