3rd Temple coming soon..

[ShedSinforChrist]

Stick around here... you'll find plenty who defend it that you can attempt to educate after a good belly laugh.

Prove it, if you say someone has made this claim here before, then quote it and prove it, otherwise Im calling your bluff.

 

[parousia70]

Otherwise your subjective opinion isnt enough for me to jeopardize my salvation on.

Interesting.

Where does the Bible teach that understanding and accepting the correct eschatology is required for salvation?

 

[parousia70]

Prove it, if you say someone has made this claim here before, then quote it and prove it, otherwise Im calling your bluff.

Sheeesh... Shall I google EVERYTHING for you?

Actually, the end of Herod's temple building (also called the 2nd temple building) in 70 AD didn't fulfill Matthew 24:2. For the stones of the 2nd temple's Western Wall (also called the Wailing Wall) still stand today one on top of the other, just as they did when Jesus spoke that prophecy. Matthew 24:2 included the Wailing Wall, for Matthew 24:2 wasn't referring to only the single 2nd temple building in the center of the Temple Mount (the building that contained the holy place and the most holy place), but was referring to "all these things", all the plural "buildings"/structures/oikodome (G3619) of the entire 2nd temple complex (Matthew 24:1). Indeed, Matthew 24:2 could even have been spoken just to the north and west of the Wailing Wall. For it was spoken just after Jesus had departed from the temple complex (Matthew 24:1), and one of the main temple complex exits (called Wilson's Arch and bridge by archaeologists) was just to the north of the Wailing Wall and at the same level as the top of the Temple Mount (see the temple complex map insert in the December 2008 issue of National Geographic magazine).

He goes on... you can see the whole post here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7792689-post64700968/?highlight=western+wall#post64700968

Your Buddy Bible2 is one of em... have a good chuckle then go edumacate him.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Interesting.

Where does the Bible teach that understanding and accepting the correct eschatology is required for salvation?

Oh ye of little faith. Ill let Christ do the talking for me, its not like you dont have the same bible.

By "trying" to convince me that Im not suppose to watch for our Lords coming, you are effectively asking me to go to sleep and not pay attention to the prophecies given.

1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Luk 12:56 Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

Mat 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Sheeesh... Shall I google EVERYTHING for you?



He goes on... you can see the whole post here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7792689-post64700968/?highlight=western+wall#post64700968

Your Buddy Bible2 is one of em... have a good chuckle then go edumacate him.

Chuckle, had. oh Bible2

So one person holds that view and you have created an entire sect of Christianity that bases there views around this flawed premise?

 

[parousia70]

here's another one I googled up for ya:

Those saying that 70AD was THE time Jesus taught of are....
The temple was destroyed but not the "buildings of the temple" which includes it's foundation, the western wailing wall which is...."stone upon stone." It was the very wall of stones Jesus was looking toward as He taught and said "stone upon another." Mark 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

You might want to educate her too

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

here's another one I googled up for ya:



You might want to educate her too

Ok, now I feel your pain, lol.

However, women dont really count, they are forbidden from teaching men.

 

[parousia70]

Was Matthew 24 Fulfilled In 70AD?

Here's a whole group making a living on teaching it...

 

[parousia70]

Oh ye of little faith. Ill let Christ do the talking for me, its not like you dont have the same bible.

By "trying" to convince me that Im not suppose to watch for our Lords coming, you are effectively asking me to go to sleep and not pay attention to the prophecies given.

1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Luk 12:56 Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

Mat 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

So What of the generations of Christians before us who were told by God to watch for an event God knew they would never see in their lifetimes?

Or the Christians from previous generations who did NOT watch, and lived their entire lives (and died) without any consequence for not watching?

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

So What of the generations of Christians before us who were told by God to watch for an event God knew they would never see in their lifetimes?

Or the Christians from previous generations who did NOT watch, and lived their entire lives (and died) without any consequence for not watching?

lol, what Christian isnt watching for the return of Christ? Its only the greatest event that will take place in history. Who isnt watching Israel? Who isnt looking for the mark of the Beast, or the signs of the end that lead up to Christs return?

I could die tomorrow, doesnt matter, at least I did as instructed.

In case you havent noticed, things in this world arent going so well, and as any Christian knows, you can only push the limits before God gets involved.

I advise you to simply pray on what to do, God NEVER disappoints.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Was Matthew 24 Fulfilled In 70AD?

Here's a whole group making a living on teaching it...

I dont get caught up in that mess, Im caught up in my Bible and the reality I live in mate.

I am a Christian, and I am a sinner.

Im not a futurist, preterist, or any other ist out there, I simply read my Bibles and study, and the signs Im seeing are enough to convince me we dont have long, but that is my opinion, you dont have to adopt it, but I would have you take scripture a little more seriously, Its not that unclear about what is happening right now, its all there mate.

Cheers

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

So What of the generations of Christians before us who were told by God to watch for an event God knew they would never see in their lifetimes?

I would say that as long as they kept faith in the coming of our Lord, they did what they are supposed to do. We all die sometime mate.

Or the Christians from previous generations who did NOT watch, and lived their entire lives (and died) without any consequence for not watching?

Well, Id have to know who wasnt watching and why in order to give an honest reply without guessing.

If you arent watching and preparing, then you will be the bride with no oil in their lamp.

Im sure you know what I mean by that right?

 

[parousia70]

lol, what Christian isnt watching for the return of Christ?

Full Preterists aren't.

Its only the greatest event that will take place in history. Who isnt watching Israel? Who isnt looking for the mark of the Beast, or the signs of the end that lead up to Christs return?

Why would the Glorified Jesus from Heaven instruct 1st century people to watch for an event that would not take place for another 2000 years? And why would he promise those 1st centry Christains that they would be overtaken by the thief's coming if they did not watch for it?

According to you, those Christians, and every successive generation since (leading up to ours) were NOT overtaken by the thief's coming if they did not watch... adn those that did were not rewarded by His coming to them as He promised they would be.

The Conundrum's continue to pile up on your view...

If 1948, computer microchips, etc ARE prophesied in the Bible, the Glorified Christ shows He knows nothing about them, when He instructs 1st century believers to Watch for His thief's coming.

 

[parousia70]

If you arent watching and preparing, then you will be the bride with no oil in their lamp.

Im sure you know what I mean by that right?

I think you mean bridesmaid, but I get the point...maybe... is your point that the oil-less lamped bridesmaids do not receive everlasting life for their faith in the Birth, death & resurrection of Jesus as THE event that PAYS for our sins?

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Full Preterists aren't.

Full preterists are satanists. I cant imagine why they would.

Why would the Glorified Jesus from Heaven instruct 1st century people to watch for an event that would not take place for another 2000 years? And why would he promise those 1st centry Christains that they would be overtaken by the thief's coming if they did not watch for it?

Simple, was Christ addressing just his physical audience, or the reader as well? Had Christ not given us the signs to look for, we all would be sleeping in prophecy.

According to you, those Christians, and every successive generation since (leading up to ours) were NOT overtaken by the thief's coming if they did not watch... adn those that did were not rewarded by His coming to them as He promised they would be.

The Conundrum's continue to pile up on your view...

If 1948, computer microchips, etc ARE prophesied in the Bible, the Glorified Christ shows He knows nothing about them, when He instructs 1st century believers to Watch for His thief's coming.

How were they not rewarded in death by keeping faith in Christ even in death?

You really dont understand how prophecy works do you.

If Christ said that two modern airplanes would crash into the twin towers of the land of york, it wouldnt have made sense to his disciples, and satan could make sure the prophecy wouldnt unfold.

Prophecy seems obscure but thats because the Bible is coded for the believer only.

If you arent in Christ, the Bible is just a story book that means nothing.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

I think you mean bridesmaid, but I get the point...maybe... is your point that the oil-less lamped bridesmaids do not receive everlasting life for their faith in the Birth, death & resurrection of Jesus as THE event that PAYS for our sins?

Actually its "virgins" not brides, so I was incorrect to say bride. You get what I am saying.

Now, it depends on your view of the rapture, either those left behind are stuck to learn the hard way and lose their head for Christ, or they are those who have rejected Christ.

Either way, dont you want to make sure your oil is filled to the top? Living a Christ like life to the best of your ability?

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

I think you mean bridesmaid, but I get the point...maybe... is your point that the oil-less lamped bridesmaids do not receive everlasting life for their faith in the Birth, death & resurrection of Jesus as THE event that PAYS for our sins?

Im going to offer a commentary on this verse, take it for what its worth.

Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

But know this,- Pay attention, Jesus is telling you something important, something you need to know, as its vital.

that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come- If you know Christ is coming then you will be the best Christian you can be so that you are counted worthy.

he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. -If you arent living in the word, watching for Christs coming, you can become complacent and are in danger of falling away based on the premise that Christ wont return in your lifetime, like you have all the time in the world.

 

[parousia70]

Full preterists are satanists.

That's quite a strong accusation. I have seen nothing in my experience that leads me to believe anything of the sort... what is your evidence to back this up?

Simple, was Christ addressing just his physical audience, or the reader as well?

Well, your view mandates that the "physical audience" as you put it was not being addressed at all... that these admonitions were not applicable in any way to the people who FIRST received them. I reject that view.

Whatever it means for the rest of us throughout the ages, it MUST have PRIMARY application to those who FIRST received it. You view says the events they were instructed by the glorified Christ to watch for never applied to them.

Maybe you are comfortable with a Glorified Christ who intentionally deceives a portion of His Followers... so they will "behave" better I guess?? I'm not sure exactly why you say Christ tells them something He knows to be untrue for them... perhaps you can clarify that one for me?

How were they not rewarded in death by keeping faith in Christ even in death?

Remember, Having Faith in Christ and watching for His coming are not synonyms.
The distribution of punishment or reward for watching or not watching was to happen "AT THE THIEF'S COMING". Not before. Not at their deaths.

Are those that have 'believed' throughout the ages rewarded with eternal life regardless of whether they watched for His Thief's coming or not? ABSOLUTELY!

 

[shturt678s]

You see, the thing about prophecy is that there is NEVER confusion as to whether its happened or not.
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation
This means that any and every person who wants the information to validate a prophecy is given it by God, ask and ye shall receive.

God doesnt leave us in the dark mate, if you can show me objective information proving your case, I have no way to deny it right?

Otherwise your subjective opinion isnt enough for me to jeopardize my salvation on.

Where is your proof for your numbers? If it exists, then I can see it right?

No, but the antichrist, and the two beast of Revelation leave us in the dark.

IIPet.1:20, 21 Prophecy provides its own interpretation, ie, Scriptures explain Scriptures, and in this way the Holy Spirit interprets, ie, prophecy given by God through the Word via the Holy Spirit.

Jack

 

[shturt678s]

Im going to offer a commentary on this verse, take it for what its worth.

Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

But know this,- Pay attention, Jesus is telling you something important, something you need to know, as its vital.

that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come- If you know Christ is coming then you will be the best Christian you can be so that you are counted worthy.

he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. -If you arent living in the word, watching for Christs coming, you can become complacent and are in danger of falling away based on the premise that Christ wont return in your lifetime, like you have all the time in the world.

No refute intended, ie, one will pass 1st, and judged, ending in either one place or another way before the "1" Parousia at Matt.24:43.

Jack, ie, just raising the bar a little