3rd Temple coming soon..

[ShedSinforChrist]

No, but the antichrist, and the two beast of Revelation leave us in the dark.

IIPet.1:20, 21 Prophecy provides its own interpretation, ie, Scriptures explain Scriptures, and in this way the Holy Spirit interprets, ie, prophecy given by God through the Word via the Holy Spirit.

Jack

I disagree, firmly.

You say the antichrist and the two beasts leave us in the dark, but what does Jesus say?

Mat 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

Scripture give us insight into how prophecy will unfold.

Every prophecy in the Bible that was foretold, and came to pass before Revelation was written is well documented.

People didnt think the messiah would actually ride in on an ass and colt, but he did.

They probably didnt believe the Messiah would be born in a shanty town like Bethlehem, but he was wasnt he.

 

[parousia70]

Im going to offer a commentary on this verse, take it for what its worth.

Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

But know this,- Pay attention, Jesus is telling you something important, something you need to know, as its vital.

that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come- If you know Christ is coming then you will be the best Christian you can be so that you are counted worthy.

he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. -If you arent living in the word, watching for Christs coming, you can become complacent and are in danger of falling away based on the premise that Christ wont return in your lifetime, like you have all the time in the world.

I don't buy it.

Knowing I could Die at any moment is motivation enough to be the best Christian I can possibly be. I don't need Jesus to dole out idle threats of an event I may or may not see in my lifetime to keep me living right.....Death is certain. we ALL have an appointment with it.

Indeed the certainty of Death is FAR more motivational than the notion that the thief's coming may or may not happen in my lifetime... especially when every previous generation of Christians lived and died WITHOUT it happening... one thing that happens to ALL of us and could happen AT ANY MOMENT is Death. Such is not true of the Thief's coming.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

No refute intended, ie, one will pass 1st, and judged, ending in either one place or another way before the "1" Parousia at Matt.24:43.

Jack, ie, just raising the bar a little

Supportive statement.

Cheers! or Mahalo!

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

I don't buy it.

Knowing I could Die at any moment is motivation enough to be the best Christian I can possibly be. I don't need Jesus to dole out idle threats of an event I may or may not see in my lifetime to keep me living right.....Death is certain. we ALL have an appointment with it.

First of all, Christ isnt "doling" out threats mate.

Part of it is your faith, as a Catholic you are bound to an authority on earth, the papacy.

But thats a farce mate, you are bound to Christ by his blood and nothing else.

What Catholics dont realize is that God forgives, free of any need for human intervention.

I pray for forgiveness for my sins and repent before God.


Catholics as far as ive been made aware of arent big on Bible study, so whenever I debate a Catholic, I have to be sensitive to that fact.

Personally, I think the papacy, as ive said needs to disappear. We dont need a "vicar" of Christ, we are each tied to Christ upon profession of faith.

Many Catholics are baptized as Children thinking that made them a Christian, but the acceptance of Christ personally is where the holy spirit comes from.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

I would be so bold to say that a Catholic who was baptized as an infant and raised in the Church, but never actually prayed and asked Christ into their life as a cognizant and fully aware sinner, then they are not a Christian and are merely playing the part.

A Christian comes to Christ, before God, on their own, and salvation can only be obtained this way.

This is why protestants dont typically baptize children. A profession of faith is required to receive the Holy Spirit.

 

[parousia70]

I would be so bold to say that a Catholic who was baptized as an infant and raised in the Church, but never actually prayed and asked Christ into their life as a cognizant and fully aware sinner, then they are not a Christian and are merely playing the part.

A Christian comes to Christ, before God, on their own, and salvation can only be obtained this way.

This is why protestants dont typically baptize children. A profession of faith is required to receive the Holy Spirit.

The Apostles Baptized ENTIRE HOUSEHOLDS...

I converted to Catholicism when I was 32, and made said profession of faith at that time.

But you digress.....

You still haven't addressed WHY Christ would tell real people to watch for an event He knew they would never see?? That is deception, plain and simple.

And your notion that He lied to them in order to keep them "living right" is malarkey, Mate.

 

[parousia70]

First of all, Christ isnt "doling" out threats mate.

Telling people in the first century that His Thief's coming would befall THEM, so THEY needed to WATCH for it, is indeed the doling out of an idle threat, if, as you say, it Never Happened TO THEM.

 

[shturt678s]

I disagree, firmly.

You say the antichrist and the two beasts leave us in the dark, but what does Jesus say?

Good question: Rev.1:1, "...which God have to Him..." Non-scholarly breakdown by Jesus; Rev.13:1-10 is the antichristian power.
The second wild beast Rev.13:11-18 is the antichristian propaganda.
Babylon the Great Rev.14:8 is the great antichristian empire.
The great harlot is the antichristian seductiveness.
The kings of the earth Rev.16:2 are the various parts of the antichristian empire.

Just toying with you, however it would be the acme of lol if the former was valid? Or would it?

Mat 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

Scripture give us insight into how prophecy will unfold.

Every prophecy in the Bible that was foretold, and came to pass before Revelation was written is well documented.

People didnt think the messiah would actually ride in on an ass and colt, but he did.

They probably didnt believe the Messiah would be born in a shanty town like Bethlehem, but he was wasnt he.

Thank you again making an old man's day,

Jack

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Telling people in the first century that His Thief's coming would befall THEM, so THEY needed to WATCH for it, is indeed the doling out of an idle threat, if, as you say, it Never Happened TO THEM.

Take it up with Christ, I dont dare challenge my Lord nor would I challenge the man who gave his life for my sins.

Be very careful how you tread on this subject, I revere no man but Jesus Christ.

 

[shturt678s]

First of all, Christ isnt "doling" out threats mate.

Part of it is your faith, as a Catholic you are bound to an authority on earth, the papacy.

But thats a farce mate, you are bound to Christ by his blood and nothing else.

What Catholics dont realize is that God forgives, free of any need for human intervention.

I pray for forgiveness for my sins and repent before God.


Catholics as far as ive been made aware of arent big on Bible study, so whenever I debate a Catholic, I have to be sensitive to that fact.

Personally, I think the papacy, as ive said needs to disappear. We dont need a "vicar" of Christ, we are each tied to Christ upon profession of faith.

Many Catholics are baptized as Children thinking that made them a Christian, but the acceptance of Christ personally is where the holy spirit comes from.

One has to have caution in these areas, ie, Matt.18:6, 10.

All we do is bapize infants, and God places the Holy Spirit in them remitting their sins instantly, ie, they are in the Kingdom of God. Acts2:38, 39; Matt.28:19, ie, this is just milk of the Word, ie, unscholarly to the googol plex power.

Infant dunker Jack, or is it splasher?

 

[SG9]

Good question: Rev.1:1, "...which God have to Him..." Non-scholarly breakdown by Jesus; Rev.13:1-10 is the antichristian power.
The second wild beast Rev.13:11-18 is the antichristian propaganda.
Babylon the Great Rev.14:8 is the great antichristian empire.
The great harlot is the antichristian seductiveness.
The kings of the earth Rev.16:2 are the various parts of the antichristian empire.

Just toying with you, however it would be the acme of lol if the former was valid? Or would it?



Thank you again making an old man's day,

Jack

Dear Jack, I'm assuming that this also depicts the identities of "Church and State"? If there is any definition of these two, how do you see all of this fitting into today, this very moment? Propaganda is sort of a blanket description, and of course, the antichristian power is too, IMHO. Can you be more specific or are you spinning my eMate with your Hawaiian fish that's been setting out for days? Just being humorous, and nothing personal, mind you, dear 'ol Jack.

 

[parousia70]

Part of it is your faith, as a Catholic you are bound to an authority on earth, the papacy.

Where is that taught? I've never been taught that by ANY Catholic.

But thats a farce mate, you are bound to Christ by his blood and nothing else.

EXACTLY what I believe

What Catholics dont realize is that God forgives, free of any need for human intervention.

Every Catholic I know realizes this.... are you sure you are talking about Catholics and not JW's or Mormons?

I pray for forgiveness for my sins and repent before God.

Thats exactly what I do too.

Catholics as far as ive been made aware of arent big on Bible study, so whenever I debate a Catholic, I have to be sensitive to that fact.

As an ex protestant, I don't have that issue.

But yes, as the joke goes, If all the worlds catholics opened their Bibles at the same time it would cause the greatest dust storm the world has ever seen! lol

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

The Apostles Baptized ENTIRE HOUSEHOLDS...

I converted to Catholicism when I was 32, and made said profession of faith at that time.

But you digress.....

You still haven't addressed WHY Christ would tell real people to watch for an event He knew they would never see?? That is deception, plain and simple.

And your notion that He lied to them in order to keep them "living right" is malarkey, Mate.

Christ wasnt just talking to the people of his time, he was talking to you, 2000 years ago Christ was talking so you could hear what he was saying.

If you dont believe me then pray on it in Christs name and God will bring you to the truth.

I cant believe Im having to affirm faith in another Christian regarding Christ.

Unreal man.

 

[parousia70]

Take it up with Christ, I dont dare challenge my Lord nor would I challenge the man who gave his life for my sins.

I'm not challenging Him or what He said... I'm challenging YOUR INTERPRETATION of it.

BIG Difference.

Be very careful how you tread on this subject, I revere no man but Jesus Christ.

I just want you to support why YOU BELIEVE that Jesus Lied to those people about His coming TO THEM.

I'm not the one claiming Jesus lied, mislead, deceived, etc... YOU ARE.

Me thinks YOU should be the careful one, Mate.

 

[parousia70]

Christ wasnt just talking to the people of his time, he was talking to you, 2000 years ago Christ was talking so you could hear what he was saying.

BUT your claim is that Christ wasn't talking to the people of his time AT ALL... but ONLY to us 2000 years later.

If I'm wrong, then by all means tell me HOW His words APPLIED to THEM back then?

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Where is that taught? I've never been taught that by ANY Catholic.



EXACTLY what I believe



Every Catholic I know realizes this.... are you sure you are talking about Catholics and not JW's or Mormons?



Thats exactly what I do too.



As an ex protestant, I don't have that issue.

But yes, as the joke goes, If all the worlds catholics opened their Bibles at the same time it would cause the greatest dust storm the world has ever seen! lol

You converted to Catholicism? Wh-wh just why would you do that?

The reformers died to free us from the bondage of the Papacy.

Im not saying hold the reformers views entirely or to pick a protestant sect to follow, Im just saying that a Christian needs one thing in life, and that is the Word of God.

I can see why a Catholic would convert to a more protestant Christian life, but thats kinda backwards eh mate?

It happened for a reason, and good men died to bring us the truth, and that truth is not in Catholic bibles with corrupted texts.

I digress, too much I fear.


Catholicism scares me, and I dont scare easily.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

BUT your claim is that Christ wasn't talking to the people of his time AT ALL... but ONLY to us 2000 years later.

If I'm wrong, then by all means tell me HOW His words APPLIED to THEM back then?

Did Daniel get mad when Gabriel told Daniel that what he was to prophesy was for the future?

No, lets see what Daniels encounter was like.

Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Daniel doesnt understand the future prophecy he was just given and how does Gabriel respond?

Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

He tells Daniel to "go thy way" because the prophecy was for the future.

How many of the disciples saw the temple come down? NONE they died before it happened, and Christ told them anyway.


What is your beef with prophecy? Dont worry, the Catholic regime isnt going to let you know whats really going on, but you will find that out the hard way, that I will put my life on.

 

[shturt678s]

Dear Jack, I'm assuming that this also depicts the identities of "Church and State"? If there is any definition of these two, how do you see all of this fitting into today, this very moment? Propaganda is sort of a blanket description, and of course, the antichristian power is too, IMHO. Can you be more specific or are you spinning my eMate with your Hawaiian fish that's been setting out for days? Just being humorous, and nothing personal, mind you, dear 'ol Jack.

We always keep one net set inside for the smaller fish, ie, fry size.

Excellent question: Hypothetically the 4 Trumpet blasts are destructive religious delusions in the whole world that affect every part of human life and beget delusions in governments, ie, everywhere.

No toying here as again from a translated High-German Commentary after Mr. Chemnitz or may was his? I'll check later. I only did the translating long ago before Google. Since then Mr. Chemnitz' works translated and available one click away. The astonishing thing myself and others are unable to find fault till today thus no LOL here.

Jack,

btw remvoe the "hypothetically" - thanks

 

[parousia70]

Did Daniel get mad when Gabriel told Daniel that what he was to prophesy was for the future?

No, lets see what Daniels encounter was like.

Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Daniel doesnt understand the future prophecy he was just given and how does Gabriel respond?

Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

He tells Daniel to "go thy way" because the prophecy was for the future.

Compare that to:
Rev. 22:10

And he said to me, “Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand.


It's 500 years from Daniel to Christ, 2000 years from Christ to now....

You have some monumental gymnastics to do if you believe 2500 years is "FAR OFF" but 2000 years is NEAR! lol

What is your beef with prophecy?.

I have no beef with it, rather I affirm it.

My Beef is with you when you call Jesus Christ a Liar, deceiver etc...

The Christ I Love and Serve with every breath I take is none of those things you have made Him out to be... What He says can be trusted.

The Christ I serve does not need to intentionally deceive his followers just to get them to "Live better lives"... I staunchly REJECT your notion that He does any such works of deception and will do so till my last breath.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

...
Hyper futurists point to the western wall as evidence that 70AD did NOT fulfill the "no stone left unturned" prophesy, therefore it is yet future...
..

That western wall thing used to puzzle me, because that prophecy is not fulfilled if that wall is part of the temple complex, so I thought a future dispersion must happen....but then I discovered that the wall is not -repeat: "is not", part of the temple complex.
There is much historical evidence that it is the base of the Praetorium, where the Romans garrisoned and where Jesus was interrogated.

"The Western Wall is not a remnant of the Second Temple but is rather the remains of an ancient Roman fortress named Fort Antonia which was built north of the original Temple site. The rock on which the Dome of the Rock was built was actually the centerpiece of Fort Antonia."

There is an excellent documentary on the facts with all the evidence from Scripture and from historical writing that prove the entire temple mount was razed with nothing remaining.

Did Jewish temple actually sit on ‘Temple Mount’?

So Israel will not be dispersed again, though Jerusalem will suffer a huge earthquake.