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Because Ezekiels prophecy was given prior to Revelation, meaning that they studied it as a prophecy before Revelation existed and they would have died before Revelation happened.
That's right, however you now have John giving more light on this from Revelation. When you go back to the last mention of Gog and Magog, it's Ezekiel 39. However, once again what do you do with John saying "and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore."
John is telling us HOW to see Gog & Magog...they are all that come from the "four corners of the earth".
This statement doesnt really make any sense, Japheth fathered most of them and he was Noahs son, so I dont understand how they died in the flood when they werent even born until after the flood.
You have a point there. I didn't read the references carefully there. They are the descendants of Japheth.
How does Babylon, which is east of Israel, equate to "Kingdoms of the north"?????

Thats physically impossible, Babylon is east of Israel, not north.
It is the approach to Judah. Nebuchadnezzar took the whole region. All the nations were given him by God.
Ezekiel tells us how it would be done. North of Tyre, which is north of Jerusalem...Ezekiel 26:7-9:
7 For thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I will bring upon Tyre from the north Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses, chariots, cavalry and a great army.
8 He will slay your daughters on the mainland with the sword; and he will make siege walls against you, cast up a ramp against you and raise up a large shield against you.
9 The blow of his battering rams he will direct against your walls, and with his axes he will break down your towers.


Jeremiah 27:8 spell it out:
8 “It will be, that the nation or the kingdom which will not serve him, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and which will not put its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, I will punish that nation with the sword, with famine and with pestilence,” declares the Lord, “until I have destroyed it by his hand.

Revelation doesnt mention any of the other locations, it says 4 corners of the earth regarding the nations referred to as Gog/magog. Has nothing to do with Ezekiels prophecy.

In Ezekiels prophecy, God brings them against Israel, in Revelation, Satan deceives the nations but nothing happens, they are simply destroyed.

God and satan are two different spirits. And these are two different prophetic events.
When you read that pay attention to all the areas he names. This map shows it pretty well:
Ezekiel_38_Nations.jpg


Are you looking at all it says in Revelation 20:7-15...and HOW it says it? This is final judgment!

Note Ezekiel 38:16:
16 and you will come up against My people Israel like a cloud to cover the land. It shall come about in the last days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me when I am sanctified through you before their eyes, O Gog.”


I read Ezekiel 38 and I see Revelation 20 for sure! There are just too many parallels.
Eze 39:5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 39:6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

Eze 39:22
So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward. Has not happened yet. (House of Israel is mentioned 152 times pertaining to the Jews, with only 6 of those accounts being used in the New Testament)

Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity(70ad): because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them(70ad-1948), and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them(The Jews had Jesus crucified), and hid my face from them.(Where was God to help the Jews from 70ad-1948? No where, he was punishing them.)
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;(1948)
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.(God is forgiving them)
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands(1948), and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;(Israel is the current world focus)
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen(70ad)but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.(Captivity among the heathen)


Future Prophecy, yet to happen

Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.


I agree it's future, but it is final judgment! Are you sure the "house of Israel" refers to the physical nation? Because just as I'm telling you John is flowing pretty well with Ezekiel 39 at Revelation 19:11-21!!!
 
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I don't know that it's racist, but there is a bit of a problem when, on one hand, there is excitement to see things happen in modern Israel, and on the other, the belief that just about all of those people in modern Israel will be decimated.

Likewise, I never seem to get resolved whether the so-called rebuilding of a modern temple is a good thing. I think BW said it was a good thing. But it does mean the restoration of the worship system, and hopefully we have read the letter to Hebrews enough to know what that means. Or does it mean that an "AC" figure succeeded in his deluding of Israel's people? In that case, it's not really something to get excited about. It's time to repeat that God wants all people, including Jews, in the mission of his transcultural Gospel; he is not trying to work with or save just one ethnos vs another.
 
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Interesting, I didnt see where anyone called for 2/3 of the Jews to be destroyed.

Can you point that out in the Bible?

It's an essential component of the Hyper Futurist paradigm.

2/3 of the Jews MUST BE EXTINGUISHED for Hyper Futurism to be correct.

Zechariah 13:8-9

And it shall come to pass in all the land,”
Says the Lord,
“That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die,
But one–third shall be left in it:
I will bring the one–third through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, ‘This is My people’;
And each one will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’”
 
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Its almost like we can just remove the word "Temple" from the Bible altogether!

Heck, lets just remove the Jews from the face of the earth and finish what Hitler started right??? Sheeeesh.

You know what I find interesting on this forum, is the extremist left of prophetic comprehension.


Seems like the objective here is to remove the Jews, the temple, and any prophecy concerning the end times from modern Christian thinking. Unreal.

No wonder the scholars dont hang here. I digress.

Not feeling so "cheery".

Forgive me.

Although I'm not one of them for sure, there are scholars here in the forum, for sure, ie, Koine, Hebrew, Latin, Bible, and etc. valid scholars - the last thing they would do is advertize. Strange you didn't recognize them?

Let's not get too carried away, ie, Matt.4:5 is iepou, "Temple," ie, not the naos in the ierou. You got it!

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That's right, however you now have John giving more light on this from Revelation. When you go back to the last mention of Gog and Magog, it's Ezekiel 39. However, once again what do you do with John saying "and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore."
John is telling us HOW to see Gog & Magog...they are all that come from the "four corners of the earth".

You have a point there. I didn't read the references carefully there. They are the descendants of Japheth.

It is the approach to Judah. Nebuchadnezzar took the whole region. All the nations were given him by God.
Ezekiel tells us how it would be done. North of Tyre, which is north of Jerusalem...Ezekiel 26:7-9:
7 For thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I will bring upon Tyre from the north Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses, chariots, cavalry and a great army.
8 He will slay your daughters on the mainland with the sword; and he will make siege walls against you, cast up a ramp against you and raise up a large shield against you.
9 The blow of his battering rams he will direct against your walls, and with his axes he will break down your towers.


Jeremiah 27:8 spell it out:
8 “It will be, that the nation or the kingdom which will not serve him, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and which will not put its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, I will punish that nation with the sword, with famine and with pestilence,” declares the Lord, “until I have destroyed it by his hand.


When you read that pay attention to all the areas he names. This map shows it pretty well:
Ezekiel_38_Nations.jpg


Are you looking at all it says in Revelation 20:7-15...and HOW it says it? This is final judgment!

Note Ezekiel 38:16:
16 and you will come up against My people Israel like a cloud to cover the land. It shall come about in the last days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me when I am sanctified through you before their eyes, O Gog.”


I read Ezekiel 38 and I see Revelation 20 for sure! There are just too many parallels.

I agree it's future, but it is final judgment! Are you sure the "house of Israel" refers to the physical nation? Because just as I'm telling you John is flowing pretty well with Ezekiel 39 at Revelation 19:11-21!!!

Ok, so you pulled that pic from a website that says this.

We Proclaim:
The coming Messiah, to be seen in the heavens, predicted in the Old Covenant and New Testament. (See Timeline
in Bible Studies)
Rebuilding the holy Jewish Temple, God's Third Temple, on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.
Zionism, the return of the Jewish people to Israel, their God-given homeland, with Jerusalem its undivided capital.
God's Third Temple built, the crown jewel of Zionism


Arent you a partial preterist?

Personally, I think that pic is the most extreme example you could find to make it appear that the 4 corners of the earth are actually Europe and the Middle east.

However 4 corners of the earth means the entire earth.


Now, lets see what God calls the "house of Israel".

Ok, so we have "House of Israel" mentioned 152 times in 146 verses and not one of them pertains to Christians.

146 verses found

Exodus 2 verses found
Leviticus 5 verses found
Numbers 1 verse found
Joshua 1 verse found
Ruth 1 verse found
1 Samuel 2 verses found
2 Samuel 5 verses found
1 Kings 2 verses found
Psalms 3 verses found
Isaiah 4 verses found
Jeremiah 19 verses found
Ezekiel 78 verses found
Hosea 5 verses found
Amos 8 verses found
Micah 3 verses found
Zechariah 1 verse found
Matthew 2 verses found
Acts 2 verses found
Hebrews 2 verses found
 
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It's an essential component of the Hyper Futurist paradigm.

2/3 of the Jews MUST BE EXTINGUISHED for Hyper Futurism to be correct.

Zechariah 13:8-9

And it shall come to pass in all the land,”
Says the Lord,
“That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die,
But one–third shall be left in it:
I will bring the one–third through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, ‘This is My people’;
And each one will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’”

Ok, so have 2/3 of the Jews died before, or will they die in the future according to what you are saying?
 
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Although I'm not one of them for sure, there are scholars here in the forum, for sure, ie, Koine, Hebrew, Latin, Bible, and etc. valid scholars - the last thing they would do is advertize. Strange you didn't recognize them?

Let's not get too carried away, ie, Matt.4:5 is iepou, "Temple," ie, not the naos in the ierou. You got it!

Encouraging Jack

Thank you for your opinion on the matter.
 
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Ok, so have 2/3 of the Jews died before, or will they die in the future according to what you are saying?


I'm saying that The Hyper Futurist / Hyper Literalist must place this verse in our future, and any so called "support for Israel" is in reality "support for the wholesale SLAUGHTER 2/3 of modern Israeli Jews".

Are you still going to call my claim false?
 
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I'm saying that The Hyper Futurist / Hyper Literalist must place this verse in our future, and any so called "support for Israel" is in reality "support for the wholesale SLAUGHTER 2/3 of modern Israeli Jews".

Are you still going to call my claim false?

So you are saying that 2/3 of the Jews were killed in the past?

If the Bible says its already happened, can you point in the direction I might find this information?
 
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So you are saying that 2/3 of the Jews were killed in the past?

I'm not making a claim here about the timing or nature of this passages' fulfillment.

I am merely stating the FACT that Hyper Literal Futurists are calling for, and even trying to hasten the "soon coming" wholesale slaughter of 2/3 of modern Israeli Jews.

They don't like to talk about it, or admit their theology demands that it happen, because it sheds light on the seedy, racist underbelly of Christian Zionism.

The Hyper Literal Futurist has a conundrum in that on one hand, the Jews are Gods Chosen people and need to be Blessed and supported at all costs, while on the other hand they remain a Blood Guilty race of Enemies Hostile to all people until 2/3 of them can be massacred in our near future.

Hitler would be proud.
 
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I'm not making a claim here about the timing or nature of this passages' fulfillment.

I am merely stating the FACT that Hyper Literal Futurists are calling for, and even trying to hasten the "soon coming" wholesale slaughter of 2/3 of modern Israeli Jews.

They don't like to talk about it, or admit their theology demands that it happen, because it sheds light on the seedy, racist underbelly of Christian Zionism.

The Hyper Literal Futurist has a conundrum in that on one hand, the Jews are Gods Chosen people and need to be Blessed and supported at all costs, while on the other hand they remain a Blood Guilty race of Enemies Hostile to all people untill 2/3 of them can be massacred in our near future.

Hitler would be proud.


Ok, so you cant prove that 2/3 of the Jews have ever been destroyed, and you dont know if its a future prophecy or not. Got it.


Since this is a future prophecy that hasnt happened yet, does this mean you want everyone who isnt in the book of life to go to hell? Im just using the same logic you are about the Jews.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Dont worry, I know you cant answer my questions without compromising your eschatological position in front of your friends.
 
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However 4 corners of the earth means the entire earth.

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Yes, and those who read Enoch see the four corners are specific points from which the winds go forth, which are electro-magnetically connected by the stars paths -and the stars control the seasons.

18 I saw the treasuries of all the winds: I saw how He had furnished with them the whole creation and the firm foundations of the earth. 2And I saw the cornerstone of the earth: I saw the four winds which bear the earth and the firmament of the heaven. 3And I saw how the winds stretch out the vaults of heaven, and have their station between heaven and earth: these are the pillars of the heaven.
18:4I saw the winds of heaven which turn and bring the circumference of the sun and all the stars to their setting. 5I saw the winds on the earth carrying the clouds: I saw the paths of the angels.

69:
The Four Winds
21And through that oath the stars complete their course,
And He calls them by their names,
And they answer Him from eternity to eternity.
21And in like manner the spirits of the water, and of the winds,

and of all zephyrs, and their paths from all the quarters of the winds. 23And there are preserved the voices of the thunder and the light of the lightnings: and there are preserved the chambers of the hail and the chambers of the hoar-frost, and the chambers of the mist, and the chambers of the rain and the dew. 24And all these believe and give thanks before the Lord of Spirits, and glorify Him with all their power, and their food is in every act of thanksgiving: they thank and glorify and extol the name of the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever..

The Book of Enoch, Translated by Robert H. Charles, 1912
The Portals of the Winds
76 And at the ends of the earth I saw twelve portals open to all the quarters of the heaven, from which the winds go forth and blow over the earth. 2Three of them are open on the face (i.e. the east) of the heavens, and three in the west, and three on the right (i.e. the south) of the heaven, and three on the left (i.e. the north). 3And the three first are those of the east, and three are of the north, and three after those on the left of the south, and three of the west.
4Through four of these come winds of blessing and prosperity, and from those eight come hurtful winds: when they are sent, they bring destruction on all the earth and on the water upon it, and on all who dwell thereon, and on everything which is in the water and on the land. 5And the first wind- from those portals, called the east wind, comes forth through the first portal which is in the east, inclining towards the south: from it come forth desolation, drought, heat, and destruction. 6And through the second portal in the middle comes what is fitting, and from it there come rain and fruitfulness and prosperity and dew; and through the third portal which lies toward the north come cold and drought. 7And after these come forth the south winds through three portals: through the first portal of them inclining to the east comes forth a hot wind. 8And through the middle portal next to it there come forth fragrant smells, and dew and rain, and prosperity and health. 9And through the third portal lying to the west come forth dew and rain, locusts and desolation. 10And after these the north winds: from the seventh portal in the east come dew and rain, locusts and desolation. 11And from the middle portal come in a direct direction health and rain and dew and prosperity; and through the third portal in the west come cloud and hoar-frost, and snow and rain, and dew and locusts. 12And after these four are the west winds: through the first portal adjoining the north come forth dew and hoar-frost, and cold and snow and frost. 13And from the middle portal come forth dew and rain, and prosperity and blessing; and through the last portal which adjoins the south come forth drought and desolation, and burning and destruction.
14And the twelve portals of the four quarters of the heaven are therewith completed, and all their laws and all their plagues and all their benefactions have I shown to thee, my son Methuselah. {Top}
The Four Quarters of the Earth
77 And the first quarter is called the east, because it is the first: and the second, the south, because the Most High will descend there, yea, there in quite a special sense will He who is blessed for ever descend. 2And the west quarter is named the diminished, because there all the luminaries of the heaven wane and go down. 3And the fourth quarter, named the north, is divided into three parts: the first of them is for the dwelling of men: and the second contains seas of water, and the abysses and forests and rivers, and darkness and clouds; and the third part contains the garden of righteousness.
4I saw seven high mountains, higher than all the mountains which are on the earth: and thence comes forth hoar-frost, and days, seasons, and years pass away.
5I saw seven rivers on the earth larger than all the rivers: one of them coming from the west pours its waters into the Great Sea. 6And these two come from the north to the sea and pour their waters into the Erythraean Sea in the east. 7And the remaining four come forth on the side of the north to their own sea, two of them to the Erythraean Sea, and two into the Great Sea and discharge themselves there and some say: into the desert.
8Seven great islands I saw in the sea and in the mainland: two in the mainland and five in the Great Sea.
 
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Yes, and those who read Enoch see the four corners are specific points from which the winds go forth, which are electro-magnetically connected by the stars paths -and the stars control the seasons.

18 I saw the treasuries of all the winds: I saw how He had furnished with them the whole creation and the firm foundations of the earth. 2And I saw the cornerstone of the earth: I saw the four winds which bear the earth and the firmament of the heaven. 3And I saw how the winds stretch out the vaults of heaven, and have their station between heaven and earth: these are the pillars of the heaven.
18:4I saw the winds of heaven which turn and bring the circumference of the sun and all the stars to their setting. 5I saw the winds on the earth carrying the clouds: I saw the paths of the angels.

69:
The Four Winds
21And through that oath the stars complete their course,
And He calls them by their names,
And they answer Him from eternity to eternity.
21And in like manner the spirits of the water, and of the winds,

and of all zephyrs, and their paths from all the quarters of the winds. 23And there are preserved the voices of the thunder and the light of the lightnings: and there are preserved the chambers of the hail and the chambers of the hoar-frost, and the chambers of the mist, and the chambers of the rain and the dew. 24And all these believe and give thanks before the Lord of Spirits, and glorify Him with all their power, and their food is in every act of thanksgiving: they thank and glorify and extol the name of the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever

I think the Bible makes great use of the phrase "four corners".

Rev_7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Isa_11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Act_10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:


I have all of R.H. Charles books, do you have the Book of Jubilees by chance?
 
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Ok, so you cant prove that 2/3 of the Jews have ever been destroyed, and you dont know if its a future prophecy or not. Got it.
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Not what I said at all.

I was just responding to your claim about a certain position being racist and Hitler-esque.

I pointed out that Hyper Literal Futurism is what is actually racist and Hitler-esque.

So far you have yet to refute that.

And BTW, Unbelieving souls being cast into the LOF are from ALL ethnos, races, creeds, classes...

Nothing Racist about that at all.
 
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Not what I said at all.

I was just responding to your claim about a certain position being racist and Hitler-esque.

I pointed out that Hyper Literal Futurism is what is actually racist and Hitler-esque.

So far you have yet to refute that.

And BTW, Unbelieving souls being cast into the LOF are from ALL ethnos, races, creeds, classes...

Nothing Racist about that at all.

Id say that if you think that because a person is Jewish, they automatically believe they are entitled by divine birthright, then that makes you racist.

If Gods prophets say the 2/3 of the Jews are going to be killed, then I can only do my part to bring the Gospel to them right?

You still cant provide proof that 2/3 of the Jews were ever killed at once, and you still dont know if its a future event.

You are a partial futurist by admission.

Essentially, you blowing smoke mate.

Cheers
 
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Ok, so you pulled that pic from a website that says this.

We Proclaim:
The coming Messiah, to be seen in the heavens, predicted in the Old Covenant and New Testament. (See Timeline
in Bible Studies)
Rebuilding the holy Jewish Temple, God's Third Temple, on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.
Zionism, the return of the Jewish people to Israel, their God-given homeland, with Jerusalem its undivided capital.
God's Third Temple built, the crown jewel of Zionism


Arent you a partial preterist?
No. I'm an amillennialist that agrees with *some* of the partial preterist views. When is comes to the map...it's not that I agree with the teaching...just the map. I highly doubt that a 3rd temple will be built. However even if it is, as I've said it simply confirms Israel to still be in unbelief.
Personally, I think that pic is the most extreme example you could find to make it appear that the 4 corners of the earth are actually Europe and the Middle east.
I don't think any map really nails it down. They are regions though, so it would be hard for any map to be 100%. I simply googled Ezeekil 39 and looked at the map images. There are several and they're pretty close.
However 4 corners of the earth means the entire earth.
Exactly. That my point...Revelation 20 is telling us that Gog and Magoh are representative of unbelievers. I don't hold to a physically battle, We are told in scripture "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal"...so why would I think physical? This gathering is for judgment.

Now, lets see what God calls the "house of Israel".

Ok, so we have "House of Israel" mentioned 152 times in 146 verses and not one of them pertains to Christians.

146 verses found

Exodus 2 verses found
Leviticus 5 verses found
Numbers 1 verse found
Joshua 1 verse found
Ruth 1 verse found
1 Samuel 2 verses found
2 Samuel 5 verses found
1 Kings 2 verses found
Psalms 3 verses found
Isaiah 4 verses found
Jeremiah 19 verses found
Ezekiel 78 verses found
Hosea 5 verses found
Amos 8 verses found
Micah 3 verses found
Zechariah 1 verse found
Matthew 2 verses found
Acts 2 verses found
Hebrews 2 verses found
However let's listen to Jesus in John 10:16:
16 I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

The apostles take it to the next step. Paul...in Romans 2:28, 29:
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.
29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.


Also read Isaiah 65!

Paul, in Romans 9 denostrates this with Hosea and Isaiah. The thing is many will not allow the NT to interpret the OT...even with Paul telling us this in Ephesians 3:3-7:
3 that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief.
4 By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ,
5 which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit;
6 to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel,
7 of which I was made a minister, according to the gift of God’s grace which was given to me according to the working of His power.


Paul is telling us he has been given the revelation of HOW to apply these prophesies of the OT..and therfore he quotes them.

Peter tells us Jews and Gentiles are being built into a SPIRITUAL HOUSE...in 1 Peter 2:4, 5.

Paul and Peter consistently take OT prophecy and tell us HOW it applies in the New Covenant.
 
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