3rd Temple coming soon..

[shturt678s]

This is not complicated LOU. The temple is being measured for God's judgment! The description tells us this is actually Herod's Temple because of how the description is given in Revelation 11:2:
2 Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months.

This brings to min what Jesus said in Luke 21:20-24:
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.
21 Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city;
22 because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.
23 Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days; for there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people;
24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

You find the church as the temple in Revelation 11:15-19, as it shows Christ receiving the reign from God in verse 15:
15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”

You read that in another form back in Revelation 12:10!

Augustine was a great of the church fathers, but that doesn't make him correct. We all strive (just as they did), to understand eschatology. Even in his statement you see uncertainty.

I think not LOU what I believe of antichrist is right there in scripture, I don't need a church father or historical viewpoints when the scripture tells me plainly that antichrist was already active among them as they wrote.

This is why I don't hold to one eschatological position because there can be insight in all, but we have to search the scriptures also! In my early Christian life I held to what I was taught but I can remember even questioning my pastor's view that there would be "AN antchrist" when right there in scripture Christ says there will be many and John said antichrist was already in the world.

Not that simple either, ie, Rev.11:1, "...Up and measure the Sanctuary (not "Temple") of God and the alter and those worshipping in connection with it, ie, my rendition.

Since you folks just cannot get, and others that left inferior works for you, naos always is that little building within the Temple building, ie, super complicated "Most Holy Place and Holy Place now "1" "Sanctuary". Going to draw you a picture:

Rev.11:1 contextually: When discussing the 6 Trumpets, may I ask "What is the fate of the Church in these 6 preliminary miraculous judgments of God!" (Trumpets are only IIThess.2:11, 12 expounded upon). Here we have the answer. The revelation concerning the Church is not inserted into the revelation relative to the ever-increasing curse of the delusions (Rev.8:7-9:21 now, ie, this moment) sent on the obdurate world in miraculous preliminary judgments. Now a clear division is made!. The Church is, indeed, in the world but it is wholly separate from the world as you already understand. Here it is thus shown, and the complete separation is brought out. God sends the Gospel, God orders the prophesying of its blessed contents to many peoples, etc. The result is the Church, ie, but most lack the agape for this Truth (IIThess.2:10b now, ie, this moment, thus God's sends delusions (IIThess.2:11, 12 now, ie, this moment resulting in IIThess.2:4 now, ie, this moment.

btw Rev.11:1's composite is John measuring the Church that comes through the Trumpets of delusions now, ie, this moment,

Artist Jack,

I know will have to rejected by all, but cannot say I didn't give it my best shot.

 

[ebedmelech]

Not that simple either, ie, Rev.11:1, "...Up and measure the Sanctuary (not "Temple") of God and the alter and those worshipping in connection with it, ie, my rendition.

Since you folks just cannot get, and others that left inferior works for you, naos always is that little building within the Temple building, ie, super complicated "Most Holy Place and Holy Place now "1" "Sanctuary". Going to draw you a picture:

Rev.11:1 contextually: When discussing the 6 Trumpets, may I ask "What is the fate of the Church in these 6 preliminary miraculous judgments of God!" (Trumpets are only IIThess.2:11, 12 expounded upon). Here we have the answer. The revelation concerning the Church is not inserted into the revelation relative to the ever-increasing curse of the delusions (Rev.8:7-9:21 now, ie, this moment) sent on the obdurate world in miraculous preliminary judgments. Now a clear division is made!. The Church is, indeed, in the world but it is wholly separate from the world as you already understand. Here it is thus shown, and the complete separation is brought out. God sends the Gospel, God orders the prophesying of its blessed contents to many peoples, etc. The result is the Church, ie, but most lack the agape for this Truth (IIThess.2:10b now, ie, this moment, thus God's sends delusions (IIThess.2:11, 12 now, ie, this moment resulting in IIThess.2:4 now, ie, this moment.

btw Rev.11:1's composite is John measuring the Church that comes through the Trumpets of delusions now, ie, this moment,

Artist Jack,

I know will have to rejected by all, but cannot say I didn't give it my best shot.

Still looking at the "naos" Jack. Just not sure if it's either/or. The temple housed the sanctuary, and therefore the are one in the same as I'm looking at this. However, still not convinced on how you view that. Patience!

When it comes to the trumpets, seals, and vials, we who are in Christ are to heed them...and not fear them. The principle applies that we are "in the world, not of the world". Faithfulness in spite of all that is the key. We go through the fire and come forth as gold.

Peter has encouraged us in 2 Peter 3!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

3rd Temple coming soon..

After almost 2000 yrs of waiting, I am sure the Jews will be thrilled about that

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
The Destruction Of JERUSALEM

An Absolute and Irresistible PROOF OF THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY:

"I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation,
if there were nothing else to support Christianity, as absolutely irresistible."
(Mr. Erskine's Speech, at the Trial of Williams, for publishing Paine's Age of Reason)​

.................. The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins and the Roman army as in triumph on the event, came and reared their ensigns against a fragment of the eastern gate,
and with sacrifices of thanksgiving, proclaimed the imperial majesty of Titus, with every possible demonstration of joy.

Thus terminated the glory and existence of this sacred and venerable Edifice, which from its stupendous size, its massy solidity, and astonishing strength, seemed formed to resist the most violent operations of human force, and to stand, like the pyramids, amid the shocks of successive ages, until the final dissolution of the globe. [12]

.​

 

[shturt678s]

Still looking at the "naos" Jack. Just not sure if it's either/or. The temple housed the sanctuary, and therefore the are one in the same as I'm looking at this. However, still not convinced on how you view that. Patience!

I never did expect anyone to get it as been positing Jn.2:19 "Sanctuary" for almost 3 decades and only a handful really got it, however: "Destroy this sanctuary," being a sign for them, ie, Simply, patiently again, the word naos refers to the Sanctuary proper (not the Temple building with the four courtyards, pillars, stairs, altar, structures, and etc. within Jesus is being refered to in this simple Mashal ieron) where it comprises the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies, as distinct from the all the modern big boys that fallaciously render ieron. Unless you want to join the Jews at that time wrongfully looking at the Temple building? Let's look at Jesus' Sanctuary where He joined the two spaces into one.

When it comes to the trumpets, seals, and vials, we who are in Christ are to heed them...and not fear them. The principle applies that we are "in the world, not of the world". Faithfulness in spite of all that is the key. We go through the fire and come forth as gold.

Peter has encouraged us in 2 Peter 3!

btw the Trumpets are horrors expounding IIThess.2:10b-12 with preliminary miraculous judgments now, ie, this moment, ie, God's righteous justice and wrath, ie, not His grace and mercy here for sure.

Patient Jack, ie, your friend

 

[Interplanner]

Lamb,
thanks for the link to Holford. Hadn't heard of his summary. Wish I could do a doctorate on the use of the proof of the DofJ in the trial of Paine's Age of Reason, wow.

 

[SG9]

I never did expect anyone to get it as been positing Jn.2:19 "Sanctuary" for almost 3 decades and only a handful really got it, however: "Destroy this sanctuary," being a sign for them, ie, Simply, patiently again, the word naos refers to the Sanctuary proper (not the Temple building with the four courtyards, pillars, stairs, altar, structures, and etc. within Jesus is being refered to in this simple Mashal ieron) where it comprises the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies, as distinct from the all the modern big boys that fallaciously render ieron. Unless you want to join the Jews at that time wrongfully looking at the Temple building? Let's look at Jesus' Sanctuary where He joined the two spaces into one.



btw the Trumpets are horrors expounding IIThess.2:10b-12 with preliminary miraculous judgments now, ie, this moment, ie, God's righteous justice and wrath, ie, not His grace and mercy here for sure.

Patient Jack, ie, your friend

Christ mends the ripped curtain in our mind's/spirit, while the other minds of evil are destroyed from the simplicity that is in Christ's teachings. Thanks

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

What you have there is given light in Revelation 20:7-10
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Just so Im understanding you, are you implying these two verses are connected? Rev 20:8/Eze38:2


This is informative prophecy concerning what satan will do, its straight forward in my opinion.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.



"Son of man" is Ezekiel.
Here, God is giving Ezekiel prophecy concerning who will come against Israel.

Eze 38:7
"Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them."

Eze 38:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
Eze 38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
Eze 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
Eze 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
Eze 38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.


Merry Christmas

Cheers

 

[shturt678s]

Christ mends the ripped curtain in our mind's/spirit, while the other minds of evil are destroyed from the simplicity that is in Christ's teachings. Thanks

Still trying to get into the shall boots of a little child to wade across a stream where elephants drown.

Jack

 

[L0U]

Augustine was a great of the church fathers, but that doesn't make him correct. We all strive (just as they did), to understand eschatology. Even in his statement you see uncertainty.

And thats why I quoted it.

I think not LOU what I believe of antichrist is right there in scripture, I don't need a church father or historical viewpoints when the scripture tells me plainly that antichrist was already active among them as they wrote.

What? They didn't have the very same scripture that you have today?
But we're so modern that we have to know more than they did back then?
I'm sorry, I just can't wrap my mind around this type of modern intellectualism. Evil men and seducers are said to grow worse and worse, decieving and being decieved.
But you did need the recorded church historical viewpoints to show you that you statement that, "There is no prophecy about antichrist...it's total "eschatological fabrication", may have to be researched again.

This is why I don't hold to one eschatological position because there can be insight in all, but we have to search the scriptures also! In my early Christian life I held to what I was taught but I can remember even questioning my pastor's view that there would be "AN antchrist" when right there in scripture Christ says there will be many and John said antichrist was already in the world.

I hear ya.
It was studying the early church that pulled me from dispensational premillenial pre-tribulationalism.
I wanted to hear directly from those who wrote the New Testament but the closest I could get (other than what they wrote in the Bible) was the ones who learned from them and their students and what is being taught today is NOT what was being taught then.

Irenaeus laid it out plainly:

"Against Heresies: Book III
Chapter IV.—The truth is to be found nowhere else but in the Catholic Church, the sole depository of apostolical doctrine. Heresies are of recent formation, and cannot trace their origin up to the apostles.

"Since therefore we have such proofs, it is not necessary to seek the truth among others which it is easy to obtain from the Church; since the apostles, like a rich man [depositing his money] in a bank, lodged in her hands most copiously all things pertaining to the truth: so that every man, whosoever will, can draw from her the water of life. For she is the entrance to life; all others are thieves and robbers. On this account are we bound to avoid them, but to make choice of the thing pertaining to the Church with the utmost diligence, and to lay hold of the tradition of the truth. For how stands the case? Suppose there arise a dispute relative to some important question among us, should we not have recourse to
the most ancient Churches with which the apostles held constant intercourse, and learn from them what is certain and clear in regard to the present question? For how should it be if the apostles themselves had not left us writings? Would it not be necessary, [in that case,]
to follow the course of the tradition which they handed down to those to whom they did commit the Churches?"

This is the only recoarse that I have to lean on. I do not know the mind of God that I can instruct Him to do only that which I understand. None do.

It's going to take a very heavy hand from God to move me from the coarse that I believe He has set my feet on.

Merry Christmas!

 

[SG9]

Still trying to get into the small boots of a little child to wade across a stream where elephants drown.

Jack

Interesting metaphor, Jack. Lol

Revelation 20:8
King James Version (KJV)
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

One 'key' that I see in the OT & NT are the parallel's to the Four Corners, and here in Revelation is worded alike as to show the four corners of the mind of man. There's a diff here though, and it appears to state the "earth" as in what present state the world is in at the time of fulfillment. Earth is mentioned as a parallel to the Fourth Temple as a counterfeit here on earth. IMO, briefly.

Thanks

 

[L0U]

Merry Christmas

Cheers

Merry Christmas to you and yours also.

And as a side note:
Did you know that Ezekiel was the first prophet to actually and physically bear the sin of his people.
Oh yeah, theres definately something to that......

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

3rd Temple coming soon..

After almost 2000 yrs of waiting, I am sure the Jews will be thrilled about that

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
The Destruction Of JERUSALEM

An Absolute and Irresistible PROOF OF THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY:

"I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation,
if there were nothing else to support Christianity, as absolutely irresistible."
(Mr. Erskine's Speech, at the Trial of Williams, for publishing Paine's Age of Reason)​

.................. The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins and the Roman army as in triumph on the event, came and reared their ensigns against a fragment of the eastern gate,
and with sacrifices of thanksgiving, proclaimed the imperial majesty of Titus, with every possible demonstration of joy.

Thus terminated the glory and existence of this sacred and venerable Edifice, which from its stupendous size, its massy solidity, and astonishing strength, seemed formed to resist the most violent operations of human force, and to stand, like the pyramids, amid the shocks of successive ages, until the final dissolution of the globe. [12]

.​

Lamb,
thanks for the link to Holford. Hadn't heard of his summary.
Wish I could do a doctorate on the use of the proof of the DofJ in the trial of Paine's Age of Reason, wow.

Your welcome.



.

 

[ebedmelech]

I never did expect anyone to get it as been positing Jn.2:19 "Sanctuary" for almost 3 decades and only a handful really got it, however: "Destroy this sanctuary," being a sign for them, ie, Simply, patiently again, the word naos refers to the Sanctuary proper (not the Temple building with the four courtyards, pillars, stairs, altar, structures, and etc. within Jesus is being refered to in this simple Mashal ieron) where it comprises the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies, as distinct from the all the modern big boys that fallaciously render ieron. Unless you want to join the Jews at that time wrongfully looking at the Temple building? Let's look at Jesus' Sanctuary where He joined the two spaces into one.

Hard to fathom Jack, because Jesus wasn't even in the sanctuary at this time, He was in the temple court (most likely the court of the Gentiles), so it's hard to consider this to be the "sanctuary" just from the reading of John 2:13-22.

I would hold it to the temple itself based on the narrative. Jesus would not violate the Law in that He is not a Levite, and based on the Law only Levites could even enter the temple proper,

btw the Trumpets are horrors expounding IIThess.2:10b-12 with preliminary miraculous judgments now, ie, this moment, ie, God's righteous justice and wrath, ie, not His grace and mercy here for sure.

Patient Jack, ie, your friend

Indeed Jack. However does not Jesus give the disciples their signs which would indicate when to flee Jerusalem? That would be Matthew 24:15, 16. The point would be that God guides us through all trials and tribulations, and we saints are told to "count it as all joy" (James 1:2-4). We are to be prepared for such things. These things fall on the just and the unjust as rain...so nothing says we will not have to endure them. So if and when we "go through the fire", we are to look to God to bring us through.

 

[ebedmelech]

Just so Im understanding you, are you implying these two verses are connected? Rev 20:8/Eze38:2


This is informative prophecy concerning what satan will do, its straight forward in my opinion.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.



"Son of man" is Ezekiel.
Here, God is giving Ezekiel prophecy concerning who will come against Israel.

Eze 38:7
"Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them."

Eze 38:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
Eze 38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
Eze 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
Eze 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
Eze 38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.


Merry Christmas

Cheers

Indeed they are connected. Do your search on Gog and Magog and see what you find.

I would ask you to read Ezekiel 38, and then read Revelation 19:17 - 20:10.
Gog and Magog are typical of the unbelieveing world.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Indeed they are connected. Do your search on Gog and Magog and see what you find.

I would ask you to read Ezekiel 38, and then read Revelation 19:17 - 20:10.
Gog and Magog are typical of the unbelieveing world.

Im not awful concerned with Revelation at this point, we can identify Gog/Magog without Revelation, as Ezekiel existed before Revelation was written. All of the places mentioned in Ezekiel would have been well known in his time.

Eze 38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

Eze 38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

Gog was the son of Joel -1Ch5:4
Magog was the son of Japheth. -Gen10:2/1Ch1:5
Tubal was the son of Japheth -Gen10:2/1Ch1:5
Meshech was the son of Japheth -Gen10:2/1Ch1:5
Gomer was the son of Japheth -Gen10:2/1Ch1:5
Togarmah was the son of Gomer -1Ch1:6

We know Ezekiel wasnt prophesying to those individuals who's names I mentioned because they were dead long before Ezekiel.

So their names can only be indicative of a physical location, specifically the land where these men ruled/lived.


Jeremiah details this account in his prophecy as well.

Jer 1:14 Then the LORD said unto me, Out of the north an evil shall break forth upon all the inhabitants of the land.
Jer 1:15 For, lo, I will call all the families of the kingdoms of the north, saith the LORD; and they shall
come, and they shall set every one his throne at the entering of the gates of Jerusalem, and against all the walls thereof round about, and against all the cities of Judah.

Eze 38:15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:



Personally, I think in Revelation that Gog/Magog is being used to describe everything outside of Israel or the entire world that hasnt been taken.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (you and me buddy!)

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

 

[shturt678s]

Let's move to Jn.2:20, "The Jews, accordingly, said, Forty and six years was this Sanctuary built (not "Temple") built, and wilt thou raise it up in three days?" The Jewish Temple was origninally built by Solomon and was destroyed by Neb. of course. It was rebuilt on the ruined site by Neh. and Ez. of course. Then the rebuilding by Herod.

The Jews, of course, did not grasp what Jesus meant, but their misunderstanding did not lie in applying His words to the Sanctuary (naos), as though Jesus had not referred to that building (naos in the ieron), ie, including the Sanctuary (naos) in that building.

Their error lay in appying Jesus' words to this building exclusively (naos within the ieron) exclusively. Their unbelief saw only this building (naos with the ieron) and nothing of its true signifciance and higher connection.

Now the Sanctuary (naos - only the structure within the Temple), the house in which God dwelt among Israel, was the type of the body of Jesus in which the Godhead dwelt and tented among men, Jn.1:14. The Sanctuary (naos) and Jesus thus belong insolubly together, the one is the shadow of the other. This is what the key to the mashal conveys.

Once one makes ieron (Temple) with all the courtyards, pillers, altar, staircase, doors, and etc. with the naos "Sanctuary" (Holy Place and Most Holy Place) structure also within = "Sanctuary" the whole mashal is lost including the true interpretation of Rev.11:1 for those that get through the Trumpets of delusions that most could care less? Let alone IIThess.2:4 "Sanctuary."

Jack

 

[Interplanner]

Shtrt could you repeat what a mashal is?

 

[iamlamad]

Let's move to Jn.2:20, "The Jews, accordingly, said, Forty and six years was this Sanctuary built (not "Temple") built, and wilt thou raise it up in three days?" The Jewish Temple was origninally built by Solomon and was destroyed by Neb. of course. It was rebuilt on the ruined site by Neh. and Ez. of course. Then the rebuilding by Herod.

The Jews, of course, did not grasp what Jesus meant, but their misunderstanding did not lie in applying His words to the Sanctuary (naos), as though Jesus had not referred to that building (naos in the ieron), ie, including the Sanctuary (naos) in that building.

Their error lay in appying Jesus' words to this building exclusively (naos within the ieron) exclusively. Their unbelief saw only this building (naos with the ieron) and nothing of its true signifciance and higher connection.

Now the Sanctuary (naos - only the structure within the Temple), the house in which God dwelt among Israel, was the type of the body of Jesus in which the Godhead dwelt and tented among men, Jn.1:14. The Sanctuary (naos) and Jesus thus belong insolubly together, the one is the shadow of the other. This is what the key to the mashal conveys.

Once one makes ieron (Temple) with all the courtyards, pillers, altar, staircase, doors, and etc. with the naos "Sanctuary" (Holy Place and Most Holy Place) structure also within = "Sanctuary" the whole mashal is lost including the true interpretation of Rev.11:1 for those that get through the Trumpets of delusions that most could care less? Let alone IIThess.2:4 "Sanctuary."

Jack

With all your highfalutin language, I am not sure I understand. Please, in good, basic, plain spoken, no nonsense, matter of fact, straightforward English (down to earth), are you saying that this "temple" John was to measure in Rev. 11, and that the man of sin was to enter in 2 Thes., is meant to be a "brick and mortar" building?

Lamad

 

[Interplanner]

Shtrt,
could you rewrite the last question in simplest form? I got exasperated when the "delusion of trumpets" got in there.

 

[shturt678s]

Shtrt could you repeat what a mashal is?

The older out-dated Lutheran view of a Mashal: A Hebrew term that contains a veiled pointed pithy expression of general truths in both Testaments.

Actually Jesus set this up to enlighten those that are His where truth enters in more deeply opening their eyes more, yet in today's time, not on this thread, but generally speaking, appears to close eyes?

This is a walk in the park compared to the Parables in Matt.13, ie, veiled more today than ever before where most think they grasp?

Sorry, got carried away,

Jack