3rd Temple coming soon..

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[SIZE=+1]Everything Old Is New Again[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

Powerful forces again seek to re-establish what should never be again, what was destroyed and left desolate (without the Spirit); they seek to re-enact services and sacrifices which, if offered, are utterly and entirely Satanic in the eyes of God and a grievous blasphemy...[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

"Of how much sorer punishment, do you suppose, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the (new) covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and has done despite unto the Spirit of grace?" (Hebrews 10:29) and "But Christ being made an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle (temple), not made with human hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies to the purification of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?" (Hebrews 9:11)

[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Knowing this will result in the greatest of blasphemies, nonetheless, millions of Christians seek and look forward to the a third temple and support various Jewish organizations which also desire a return to sacrifices! There appears to be a form of Christian madness in these times whereby many believe that the hand of God can be forced, the events of prophecy summoned, bringing about the end -- not realizing that by even attempting such, they place themselves in the role of the agency of evil. The patience Christ and the Apostles exhorted for all believers regarding the Second Coming has been replaced by a zealous, unbiblical anxiety for what they perceive as the Lord's delay. There is almost an air of contempt that they are being made to suffer in this sinful world so long, as though this were something unusual or peculiar. Jesus even spoke to this, and gave stern warnings for such foolishness. But today it falls on deaf ears, tickled and dulled by candy-coated Gospel pablum, as well as deceptive teachings such as the 'pre-tribulation rapture' of the church, which has lulled millions worldwide into a sense of false security and distorted prophetic understanding. This has been a multi-billion dollar enterprise of brainwashing through contemporary Christian media. Quite a number of those chiefly involved in the 'Pre-Trib' message have ties to occult figures who are clearly working for the dark side.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

To return to a temple made with human hands, to the Ark, to the services, to the sacrifices of animal blood is to commit a phenomenal blasphemy. It is to count as unworthy, as unclean, as insufficient and useless the blood sacrifice of The Christ, as Paul declares plainly in Hebrews 9 & 10. This is the desire, goal and plan of Antichrist, to fulfill by Satan that original vanity-driven claim for which he was cast out of the abode of God: namely, that he would seize the throne of God. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

The Ark of Covenant is a throne [/SIZE][SIZE=-2][5][/SIZE][SIZE=+1], its lid of gold is called the Mercy Seat whereupon God, appearing in the form of the Shekinah Glory, appeared in the days of the tabernacle with Moses -- a copy or replica of the heavenly Ark or throne of Christ, who in his incarnation, when he ascended to the true Heavenly tabernacle, offered his blood once for all, then sat down at the right hand of Majesty on High. It was over this heavenly Ark that Satan at one time was called 'the anointed cherub who covers'; he is quite familiar with the substitutionary role which, under the sway of his intense vanity, drove him to seek worship of himself. But that role was stripped from him.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

Untold millennia ago, even before this present world was formed, the great archangel of God to whom was given the highest of all positions and responsibilities was cast "as profane" from the heights of the dwelling of God for his grievous sins and subsequent violence. He seduced nations of angelic beings to worship him, profaned his sanctuaries and was filled with wrath upon his banishment. So skillful was he in his masquerade of the pre-incarnate Christ (the image of the invisible Godhead), being the most glorious of all created beings, that he brought confusion among the angelics, leading many astray to follow him. These were banished to the black darkness of the lower heavens, 'wandering stars' for whom the final eternal gloom of a final hell is reserved in the day of judgment of the ungodly. These beings are referred to by Paul as "principalities and powers in celestial realms above" who, in league with Satan, are manipulating events to culminate in this final blasphemy involving a 'temple of God.' There, through the agency of the final Antichrist, "... that man of sin (shall) be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God." (2 Thessalonians 2:4). The 'seat' he will take must be the Ark of Covenant, as it is the only legitimate 'throne' for such a temple.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Consider then the implications of that seat being occupied by the prefect representative of Satan, in the person of the 'Son of Perdition.' That throne has been taken away, perhaps hidden, until a transition takes place. For Christ will at some point leave the true throne of heaven and descend to the earth to remove the unholy abomination, "whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming" (2 Thess. 2:8).[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

Thus, it is the desire and will of the architects of eternal evil, the grand Illuminati, to construct this third temple, not for God, but for Satan -- in the mad belief that if that throne can be occupied by the absolute unholy, Satan can fulfill his original, willful, declarative rebellion:[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

"For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High (God)." (Isaiah 14:13)[/SIZE]

 

[random person]

The last two posts were from this article:

[SIZE=+4]Zionism - The Occult
Guild Of Antichrist[/SIZE]http://rense.com/general67/znsm.htm

And it is more along my school of thought.

 

[Douggg]

The last two posts were from this article:

[SIZE=+4]Zionism - The Occult
Guild Of Antichrist[/SIZE]

And it is more along my school of thought.

Please provide the evidence of this statement in that article.....

This grand desire for a new temple in Jerusalem is shared, as well as financially and politically bolstered, by tens of thousands of evangelical churches (there are actually more non-Jewish Zionists in the world than Jewish due to the overwhelming number of pro-Israel Christians).

What Christian groups or churches are sending money to the Jews to the construct the third temple?

 

[random person]

Please provide the evidence of this statement in that article.....

This grand desire for a new temple in Jerusalem is shared, as well as financially and politically bolstered, by tens of thousands of evangelical churches (there are actually more non-Jewish Zionists in the world than Jewish due to the overwhelming number of pro-Israel Christians).

The article is speaking about Christian Zionists, Christian Zionist ministries, and Christian Zionist lobbies in the US and abroad.

 

[Douggg]

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[Douggg]

The article is speaking about Christian Zionists, Christian Zionist ministries, and Christian Zionist lobbies in the US and abroad.

I am talking about that specific statement the author made. I think it is a false statement.

The author gives the false representation that to be a Zionist a person has to support the third temple construction. Zionism as it pertains to Christians is that God gave the land of Israel to the Jews.

 

[random person]

I am talking about that specific statement the author made. I think it is a false statement.

The author gives the false representation that to be a Zionist a person has to support the third temple construction. Zionism as it pertains to Christians is that God gave the land of Israel to the Jews.

Under the Old Covenant under preconditions that they observe and follow all of his commandments and statutes. But the New Covenant abrogated the Old Covenant including the land boundaries.

 

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[SIZE=+1]What is the purpose of this third temple & who will it serve?[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]

"We should not forget... that the supreme purpose of the ingathering of (Jewish) exiles and the establishment of our state is the building of the temple. The temple is at the very top of the pyramid"[/SIZE][SIZE=-2] [1]

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[SIZE=+1]There is only one purpose or need for a third temple, and that is for Jews to return to the full Mosaic Law and temple services which involve animal sacrifice for sins. Equally, there is absolutely no use or need for a temple if there is no Ark of Covenant, upon which the blood must be offered, which has been curiously missing since before the time of Christ. It seems highly unlikely that the present guild of priests in training for temple services[/SIZE][SIZE=-2][2][/SIZE][SIZE=+1] would even exist if there were not reliable knowledge of the whereabouts of this centerpiece of the temple and its primary function. All other necessary artifacts for temple service, including the Shemen Afarshimon [/SIZE][SIZE=-2][3][/SIZE][SIZE=+1] - an original vial of anointing oil for the high priest - and the reappearance of the red heifer (the ash of which is vital to temple services) are in the possession of these Jewish priests today. The anticipated 'High Priest' is ultimately the awaited Messiah himself. For the Jews, his first appearing. To Christians, his Second Coming from heaven. But in both cases prophecy says first will come the deceiver, The Son of Perdition -- Antichrist.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

The prophet Daniel foretold the time of the coming of Messiah, noting that he would appear after seventy weeks of years (as Hebrews counted time) from the signing of a decree to free the Jews from captivity in Babylon to return and rebuild Jerusalem and the temple. This took place in 444 B.C. [/SIZE][SIZE=-2][4][/SIZE][SIZE=+1] when Artaxerxes Longimanus, king of Persia (464-423 BC), signed such a decree and allowed the Jews to return. Exactly as according to the prophecy of Daniel, Y'shua of Nazareth (Jesus) presented himself before the people and to the temple as Messiah and King -- only to be rejected by the ruling religious authorities who had conspired against Him from the time of his equally foretold birth. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

During the ministry of Christ, he declared publicly, "Tear down this temple and in three days I shall raise it up again," confounding the religious leaders and rabble alike. He was, of course, speaking not of the temple of stone and mortar, but of his own body as the final temple and final sacrifice for sins, as well as his triumphant resurrection from the dead (three days and nights in the tomb) -- forever putting away the need or use of the temple sacrifices of animals, which were merely a representative propitiation until the Messiah should come, offering his own life and blood as the price paid in full, acceptable unto God. The redemption of mankind from spiritual oblivion was not forged in the earthly elements of temples and rituals, but in the very person of Christ, made manifest in the flesh, bringing eternal reconciliation, putting away forever those material elements which merely foreshadowed His fulfillment and accomplishment in the incarnation.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]He presented himself to the temple on the same day the Pascal (Passover) lamb of sacrifice would be brought in and examined by the chief priests as to whether it was worthy and fitting for the task (being without spot or blemish). Not realizing it, they examined the true and final lamb of offering in the court of the temple when facing Jesus, "the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world," and despite finding no error in him, and being utterly silenced by his wisdom and authority, unable to truly judge him wanting, they nonetheless rejected him and proceeded to enact the final skullduggery which would result in his midnight arrest through the betrayal of his disciple Judas, the conviction in a kangaroo court of the Sanhedrin, and subsequent crucifixion at the hands of the Roman judiciary, which occupied Judea at that time.

[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Even Pontias Pilate, the appointed governor of the region, found no fault in Jesus and sent him back to the Jewish religious authorities, under King Herod (a Jewish puppet of the occupying Roman regency). In the end, the chief priests who conspired against Jesus resorted to the lowest level of psychological and political terrorism in order to force Pilate's hand, which he quickly washed publicly in a basin to proclaim that he had no blood on his hands in the matter of the death of Jesus of Nazareth. Pilate even went so far as to make use of a special appeasement to the people, as it was the time of the feast of Passover, and offered the people their choice between a convicted zealot insurrectionist, Barabbas, or Jesus, to be set free. The crowd, urged on by the ruling class of Jews, cried out for the crucifixion of Jesus, and the release of Barabbas. (Oddly enough, the name Barabbas means "son of the father" in Hebrew, and many have speculated that the Romans did not comprehend that the people were actually calling for Jesus, who called himself the 'Son of the Father' in his ministry).[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

Nonetheless, it was Jesus who was sentenced to the cross and Barabbas freed. And as was prophesied, and as He often told his followers, he would rise from the dead on the third day. Christ Himself was the true and final 'temple.' Even as His apostle to the gentiles, Paul, later declared to the Athenians, "God, that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made by human hands" (Acts 17:24). It is little understood that when Christ died, the great veil in the temple which enshrouded the Holy of Holies from sight was rent from top to bottom by an unseen force, thus revealing to the people both that access to God's grace was thrown wide open to all, and that the temple service which had been carried out by the Jews was a sham -- for the Ark was not present for the sacrifices and had not been for some time. This was another way of revealing that Christ was the substance/fulfillment of everything put forth symbolically according to the Law, including the Ark, which was itself a picture or type of Christ.

[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]It is only upon the true altar of God, through Christ, by his own blood, that God is satisfied with the final propitiation for sins. As scripture states, "...there remains no further sacrifice for sins."(Hebrews 10:26). Thus, the Ark of Covenant has no purpose and cannot serve God or any human being in any way, shape or form. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

However, it CAN be used to deceive -- and that is exactly what is planned.[/SIZE]

Forget about the physical nation of the Jews, ie, placed on the same level of the Gentiles per the Holy Spirit even before 70 A.D., eg, Acts 2:2-13; 8:15-17; 10:44-46; 15:8; Gal.3:28 (spiritually the same).

70 A.D. God destroyed the Jews as a nation, race, or ethnic group. Yes, the Jews will endure to the end providing they receive a justifying faith effected through repentance followed by a credible water baptismal rebirth- Some will right up to the end, ie, "1" ending.

"1" end,

Jack

btw, nice try

Next:

 

[Douggg]

Under the Old Covenant under preconditions that they observe and follow all of his commandments and statutes. But the New Covenant abrogated the Old Covenant including the land boundaries.

That's not what Ezekiel 38-39 says. In the last days, God brings the Jews out of the nations back into their own land.

Don't confuse prophecy with theology.

 

[Douggg]

Forget about the physical nation of the Jews, ie, placed on the same level of the Gentiles per the Holy Spirit even before 70 A.D., eg, Acts 2:2-13; 8:15-17; 10:44-46; 15:8; Gal.3:28 (spiritually the same).

70 A.D. God destroyed the Jews as a nation, race, or ethnic group. Yes, the Jews will endure to the end providing they receive a justifying faith effected through repentance followed by a credible water baptismal rebirth- Some will right up to the end, ie, "1" ending.

"1" end,

Jack

btw, nice try

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Hi Jack, that argument is long since dead, because of 1948 and 1967. Israel as a nation and people of the twelve tribes bloodline are right on the map and the center of world attention.

 

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That's not what Ezekiel 38-39 says. In the last days, God brings the Jews out of the nations back into their own land.

Don't confuse prophecy with theology.

And those chapters are highly controversial amongst scholars. Some believe they are preterist prophecies that already occurred such as Esther chapter 9.

Christians can not let questionable and controversial prophecies cloud their Christian imperatives.

 

[random person]

Hi Jack, that argument is long since dead, because of 1948 and 1967. Israel as a nation and people of the twelve tribes bloodline are right on the map and the center of world attention.

The twelve tribes of Israel aren't in the Holy Land, these Jews claim to be of the tribe of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi.

 

[Douggg]

The twelve tribes of Israel aren't in the Holy Land, these Jews claim to be of the tribe of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi.

Jews is both a generic term and someone of the tribe of Judah. Jesus was a Jew, by way of his mother. That is the criteria, that a Jew is someone who's mother is a Jew in Judaism since the days of Nehemiah.

In Israel, the most of the Jews themselves there don't know what tribe they belong to, because that information has been lost in history.

The former southern kingdom of Judah (the two tribes) and the northern kingdom of Israel (the twelve tribes) have been re-united into one land of the former 12 twelve tribes two kingdoms - on the map as the modern nation of Israel. Although most of the Jews themselves don't know what tribe they belong to.

You can verify that by going to any Jewish website like Chabad.org.

 

[random person]

If any Jew living today claims to be of a specific tribe it will usually be the tribe of Judah, Benjamin, or Levi.

The Ten Tribes of Israel remained lost and have forgotten their identities.

 

[Douggg]

And those chapters are highly controversial amongst scholars. Some believe they are preterist prophecies that already occurred such as Esther chapter 9.

Christians can not let questionable and controversial prophecies cloud their Christian imperatives.

No, not any kind of large scale, they are not controversial as far as being last days prophecies. I don't know who would assert that they have been fulfilled.

Even the Jews themselves believe they are last days prophecies and that the messiah will come at the conclusion of Gog/Magog, albeit their version someone other than Jesus.

 

[Douggg]

If any Jew living today claims to be of a specific tribe it will usually be the tribe of Judah, Benjamin, or Levi.

The Ten Tribes of Israel remained lost and have forgotten their identities.

But they don't know for the most part. The ten tribes have not be "lost", the Jews living in Israel, part of them, are the ten tribes. God did not lose the ten tribes.

 

[random person]

Jews is both a generic term and someone of the tribe of Judah. Jesus was a Jew, by way of his mother. That is the criteria, that a Jew is someone who's mother is a Jew in Judaism since the days of Nehemiah.

In Israel, the most of the Jews themselves there don't know what tribe they belong to, because that information has been lost in history.

The former southern kingdom of Judah (the two tribes) and the northern kingdom of Israel (the twelve tribes) have been re-united into one land of the former 12 twelve tribes two kingdoms - on the map as the modern nation of Israel. Although most of the Jews themselves don't know what tribe they belong to.

You can verify that by going to any Jewish website like Chabad.org.

And let's not forget all the conversions that occurred throughout history.

What about John Hyrcanus who forcibly converted the Edomites to Judaism in the 2nd century BCE. And the conversion of the Khazarian Empire to Judaism. It became their national religion between the 8th and 10th centuries CE.

So we have abunch of Khazars and Edomites too. Along with every other nationalities that have converted to Judaism.

Does this mean Chinese Jews have a historical right to the Holy Land?

 

[random person]

But they don't know for the most part. The ten tribes have not be "lost", the Jews living in Israel, part of them, are the ten tribes. God did not lose the ten tribes.

No Jew today claims to be an Israelite as belonging to the ten lost tribes. They have lost their identity and besides the lost ten tribes are probably living as Christians today as Jesus and Paul's ministry's sought them out.

 

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[FONT=&quot]“[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The Edomites were conquered by John Hyrcanus who forcibly converted them to Judaism, and from then on they constituted a part of the Jewish people, Herod being one of their descendants[/FONT][FONT=&quot]”, The Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, (Garden City, NY: Doubleday & Company, Inc., 1966), pg. 594, Library of Congress Control No. 66021008, Call no. DS102.8 .S73 1966a, AS WELL AS in the The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia (Garden City, NY: Doubleday & Company, Inc., 1977) p. 589[/FONT]

 

[random person]

Forcibly Converts the Edomites.

Hyrcanus, who had been confirmed by the Romans in the possession of the important seaport of Joppa, subjugated other Syrian towns, such as Berœa (Aleppo). He marched against the fort of Madaba, on the banks of the Jordan, which had always been hostile to the Hasmoneans, and conquered it after a six months' siege; he also conquered the town of Samaya (Samega), on the Sea of Galilee, of special importance on account of its geographical position. He then proceeded against the Samaritans, who had always sided with the enemies of the Jews. He conquered Shechem, one of the most important towns of Samaria, and destroyed the temple on Mount Gerizim (21st Kislew = December, about 120). After victoriously ending the war in Samaria, he proceeded to subdue the Edomites, always a menace to the southern parts of his domains. With funds which he is said to have obtained from David's sepulcher he hired foreign troops, dismantled Adora and Marissa, the strong places of Edom, and forced the Edomites to accept the Jewish religion and submit to circumcision. This is the first instance of forcible conversion in Jewish history. In this Hyrcanus allowed his zeal for the Jewish cause to lead him to take a step which later wrought harm; for to the Edomites belonged the family of the Herodians, who were to bring about the ruin of the Hasmoneans. The Samaritans, who still held their strongly fortified metropolis of Samaria, with a part of Jezreel, remained hostile toward the Jews. For this reason Hyrcanus renewed his attacks upon them. He marched against Samaria at the head of a great army, but as his presence in Jerusalem was necessary, he left the siege of the former city to his two sons, Aristobulus and Antigonus.


HYRCANUS, JOHN (JOHANAN) I. - JewishEncyclopedia.com