3rd Temple coming soon..

[random person]

I believe that God gave the land of Israel to the Jews, the blood descendants of the 12 tribes. Yes.

God fulfilled all the promises already!


Genesis 13:15-17 promise!



15 for all the land which you see, I will give it to you and to your descendants forever. 16 I will make your descendants as the dust of the earth, so that if anyone can number the dust of the earth, then your descendants can also be numbered. 17 Arise, walk about the land through its length and breadth; for I will give it to you.”

FULFILLED!

Deuteronomy 1:9-11


9 “I spoke to you at that time, saying, ‘I am not able to bear the burden of you alone. 10 The Lord your God has multiplied you, and behold, you are this day like the stars of heaven in number. 11 May the Lord, the God of your fathers, increase you a thousand-fold more than you are and bless you, just as He has promised you!

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Genesis 15:18 promise!


18 On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying,“To your descendants I have given this land,
From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates:


FULFILLED!


2 Samuel 8:3

3 Then David defeated Hadadezer, the son of Rehob king of Zobah, as he went to restore his rule at the River.

1 Kings 4:21

21 Now Solomon ruled over all the kingdoms from the River to the land of the Philistines and to the border of Egypt; they brought tribute and served Solomon all the days of his life.



1 Kings 4:24

24 For he had dominion over everything west of the River, from Tiphsah even to Gaza, over all the kings west of the River; and he had peace on all sides around about him.





2 Chronicles 9:26


26 He was the ruler over all the kings from the Euphrates River even to the land of the Philistines, and as far as the border of Egypt.


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Genesis 15:19-21 promise!



19 the Kenite and the Kenizzite and the Kadmonite 20 and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Rephaim 21 and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Girgashite and the Jebusite.”


FULFILLED!



Nehemiah 9:8

“You found his heart faithful before You,
And made a covenant with him
To give him the land of the Canaanite,
Of the Hittite and the Amorite,
Of the Perizzite, the Jebusite and the Girgashite—
To give it to his descendants.
And You have fulfilled Your promise,
For You are righteous.

please clarify your statement

Israel practices apartheid against the Palestinian indigenous people and defies international laws. Israel is a secular Jewish nationalist state.

The rapture is the event of 1thessalonians4:15-18.

That isn't the rapture but the day of the lord!

Those that remain until the COMING of the lord!

The Lord will descend from heaven with a shout!

With the voice of the archangel!

I am sorry but you rapture believers are mistaken!

 

[yeshuasavedme]

For example, ie, just trying to help, long ago, when the 10 tribes of the northern kingdom had been deported into Assyria, these 10 disappeared completely; they were absorbed by paganism.

That is a false gospel.
God has always known where every seed of Jacob was, in the world, and we have now proof that they were never lost to themselves, much less to God. God promised that not one "grain" of them will "fall to the ground", which is in direct contradiction to your false message.

Amo 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

Bani Israel Yang Hilang (bhg 1/10) - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6VwmiL3-G4&list=PL6C79A76A10CEC5D8

Many of the tribes are coming home to Israel, from the India-China border, from Ethiopia, from cities in India and from many other places where God has been keeping them for these last days.

They were never lost.
They are coming home.

 

[Interplanner]

And yet to be born of God means 'not by descent, not by flesh, not by a husband's wish.' Jn.1

 

[SayaOtonashi]

Only problem the Mosque is there any there is no way the Muslims will let that happen. It has to be the same place in where the 2 stayed. So unless wanting to stay something there will be no 3rd temple. We shouldn't be worried about this but our salavation

 

[SayaOtonashi]

Ten Signs of the End Times (or Zero So Far?)

 

[SayaOtonashi]

Also there have to happen way before the 3rd temple comes

1. to take a mark in their right hand or forehead during that time. Plainly, we are not in the Great Tribulation and no mark of the beast has been issued yet.
2. Abomination of Desolation — The Great Tribulation starts 30 days (the 1290 - the 1260 days) after the Abomination of Desolation is stood up on the Temple Mount (Mk 13:14). The abomination refers to the Image of the Beast statue being erected for worship (Rev 13:14). Another unfulfilled prophecy, despite what many think the abomination is.
3. Temple Mount Sacrifices — Similarly, on the day of the Abomination, daily oblation morning and evening animal sacrifices are to be stopped on the Temple Mount (Dan 12:11). These sacrifices have not even started yet, so obviously that's a major problem for Jesus to come back soon.

 

[SayaOtonashi]

Why Jesus Can’t Come Back in 2014 (or Even Soon)

 

[ebedmelech]

Ebed,
Your twisting of Scripture is amazing!
Your blindness is deafening!
You claim -on the one hand- that "there are no Jews in the body of Christ" and then you claim that the 12,000 males from twelve tribes of Israel are just another name for "believers"!

"If the blind lead the blind, they both fall into the ditch".


Then, you are even deluded to think that there are no tribes mentioned in the NT, when in fact, the LORD Jesus is "the Lion of the tribe of Judah!

Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

That's real weak yeshuasavedme...and no matter how your Jewish bias flows...EVERYONE knows the "Lion of the tribe of Judah" is Jesus. It refers to the line from which He would come...so that won't work for you.

Paul says he was of the tribe of Benjanin...but why? He's making the point it doesn't matter! Read Philippians 3!

Then, you are even more deluded in your claim that there is no prophetic mention of the tribes in the NT, when the City of God has twelve gates of pearl named after the twelve tribes of Israel!

Which again speaks of true Israel. You're under the delusion that it matters when the apostle that called himself the "Pharisee of the Pharisees" wrote this in Galatians 3:27-29:
27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.

When will you learn to realize ANYONE in Christ is a Jew spiritually yeshuasavedme? You can fight it all you want, but it is WRITTEN!!!

The Gentiles of the world will go into that Holy city through the twelve gates of Israel's tribes!

Not according to Jesus! He Himslef tells us Jews and Gentiles will be one...John 10:16:
16 I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

"ONE FLOCK WITH ONE SHEPHERD" yeshuasavedme...work with that!

Ebed, your gospel message is false.

Only to those LIKE YOU...who don't realize at the foot of the cross IT DOESN'T MATTER!!! How many times must you read before you believe THERE IS NO PARTIALITY WITH GOD?

Romans 2:11:
11 For there is no partiality with God.

Galatians 2:6:
6 But from those who were of high reputation (what they were makes no difference to me; God shows no partiality)—well, those who were of reputation contributed nothing to me.

When will you believe that?

 

[iamlamad]

Random person wrote,

The rapture is the event of 1thessalonians4:15-18.
​

That isn't the rapture but the day of the lord!

Those that remain until the COMING of the lord!

The Lord will descend from heaven with a shout!

With the voice of the archangel!

I am sorry but you rapture believers are mistaken!

TOTAL MYTH! I do hope you do some more homework before you write such nonsense.

WHERE is the start of the Day of the Lord in Revelation? You have two choices: either the last verse of chapter 6 or at the 7th seal. Any other answer will be wrong.

WHERE is the rapture in Revelation? Your answer MUST BE "before chapter 7" or it will be WRONG. You see, John saw the just raptured church in heaven in chapter 7. Therefore the rapture HAD to come before chapter 7. In fact, to line up with Paul, it has to come BEFORE the Day of the Lord. SO your theory is myth.

LAMAD

 

[Douggg]

God fulfilled all the promises already!

Ezekiel 38-39, unfulfilled.

Israel practices apartheid against the Palestinian indigenous people and defies international laws. Israel is a secular Jewish nationalist state.

God is not subject to international laws.

That isn't the rapture but the day of the lord!

Those that remain until the COMING of the lord!

The Lord will descend from heaven with a shout!

With the voice of the archangel!

I am sorry but you rapture believers are mistaken!

The rapture is the changing of them who are alive that the time concurrent with the resurrection of them who's bodies are dead in Christ, in 1Thessalonians4:15-18. What is debatable is the timing, not that the event won't happen.

 

[Interplanner]

Dougg,
re Ez 38-39
But we can't put this one on some special shelf when many, many similar ones actually have to do with the return after Babylon. There is a thread yesterday where the person thought that the taunts of the intransigent Israel in Ez 12 was the prophecy! All that was surrounded by prophecy that was positively about Christ as the light of the world, and the hearts of stone that turn to flesh, etc (2 Cor 3-4).

 

[SayaOtonashi]

THe last time 666 happend was Nero was the beast

 

[shturt678s]

Random person wrote,

The rapture is the event of 1thessalonians4:15-18.
​

That isn't the rapture but the day of the lord!

Those that remain until the COMING of the lord!

The Lord will descend from heaven with a shout!

With the voice of the archangel!

I am sorry but you rapture believers are mistaken!

TOTAL MYTH! I do hope you do some more homework before you write such nonsense.

WHERE is the start of the Day of the Lord in Revelation? You have two choices: either the last verse of chapter 6 or at the 7th seal. Any other answer will be wrong.

WHERE is the rapture in Revelation? Your answer MUST BE "before chapter 7" or it will be WRONG. You see, John saw the just raptured church in heaven in chapter 7. Therefore the rapture HAD to come before chapter 7. In fact, to line up with Paul, it has to come BEFORE the Day of the Lord. SO your theory is myth.

LAMAD

"7" Raptures in Revelation = "the day of the Lord" = "1" ending = IThess.4:15-18, ie, it's only a math problem my friend = the "end."

Jack, your friend

 

[Douggg]

Why Jesus Can’t Come Back in 2014 (or Even Soon)

The temple doesn't have to be rebuilt before the 7 years start. It only has to be 15ft x 30ft as a starter, as a minimum requirement size. The minimum temple would have to be completed sometime before day 220 of the 7 years, as that is when animal sacrifices will start back up.

What does have to happen is that the ten king kingdom materialize, which the little horn will emerge from. That kingdom has not materialized yet.

The return of Jesus, in Revelation 19, is not going to be within 7 years, but there is no reason to say that it can't happen in say 2021, 2022 if things materialize. Of course, we don't know for certain the calendar dates when the prerequisites materialize. Including Gog/Magog as a prerequisite for the 7 years.

 

[Interplanner]

dougg,
aren't you one who believes those 10 kings are the EU?

 

[Douggg]

Dougg,
re Ez 38-39
But we can't put this one on some special shelf when many, many similar ones actually have to do with the return after Babylon. There is a thread yesterday where the person thought that the taunts of the intransigent Israel in Ez 12 was the prophecy! All that was surrounded by prophecy that was positively about Christ as the light of the world, and the hearts of stone that turn to flesh, etc (2 Cor 3-4).

Hi Inter,

Gog/Magog > 7 years of the Antichrist > Armageddon


Ezekiel 38-39 is on the shelf as not having happen because in Ezekiel 39:17-20, 7 years after Gog/Magog, is the Armageddon feast, followed by the Lord being here on earth, having just executed judgement on the heathen in Revelation 19:

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


Ezekiel 39:


17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.
20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord God.
21And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

 

[ebedmelech]

That is a false gospel.
God has always known where every seed of Jacob was, in the world, and we have now proof that they were never lost to themselves, much less to God. God promised that not one "grain" of them will "fall to the ground", which is in direct contradiction to your false message.

They are coming home.

They sure are...except remember that Jacob is Abraham's seeed, and a believer in God...now...watch this:

Galatians 3:15, 16:
15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it.
16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ.

You need to get the right "SEED" first yeshuasavedme...and in your stuborness, you refuse to!

Once again, just for you...Galatians 3:27-29:
27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.

Once again...WHEN will you believe that?

 

[random person]

Random person wrote,

The rapture is the event of 1thessalonians4:15-18.
​

That isn't the rapture but the day of the lord!

Those that remain until the COMING of the lord!

The Lord will descend from heaven with a shout!

With the voice of the archangel!

I am sorry but you rapture believers are mistaken!

TOTAL MYTH! I do hope you do some more homework before you write such nonsense.

WHERE is the start of the Day of the Lord in Revelation? You have two choices: either the last verse of chapter 6 or at the 7th seal. Any other answer will be wrong.

WHERE is the rapture in Revelation? Your answer MUST BE "before chapter 7" or it will be WRONG. You see, John saw the just raptured church in heaven in chapter 7. Therefore the rapture HAD to come before chapter 7. In fact, to line up with Paul, it has to come BEFORE the Day of the Lord. SO your theory is myth.

LAMAD

My theory is no myth 1 Thess. 4:16, 5:2, 2 Thess. 4:16, and 2 Peter 3:10 are all describing the same event. And these passages issue warnings to Christians.

Why are they issuing warnings to Christians if we are already raptured from the Earth? Eh?

1 Thess. 5:2 is issuing a warning to Christians!

2 Thess. 1:7 is issuing a warning to Christians!

2 Peter 3:11 is issuing a warning to Christians!

Jesus issued a warning to Christians in Matt. 24:44!

These aren't warnings to post-rapture Jews!!!!! They are warnings to us, the Church itself!!!!!

The Rapture is a false teaching. And the "Armageddon cult" is heretical. It believes in war, it supports an apostate Israel that commit crimes against humanity. Wake up!

 

[yeshuasavedme]

...
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.

Once again...WHEN will you believe that?

Your twisted and out of context Scriptures will never be accepted against the Word of God itself and FYI: I am not a seed of Jacob nor of his twelve tribes. That is total nonsense.

I am a female Gentile
born again in Christ
baptized in water
baptized in the Holy Spirit
tongues speaking, singing, praying Believer;
married for 50 years to a male Gentile
born again in Christ
baptized in water
baptized in the Holy Spirit
tongues speaking, singing, praying believer.

I have some female Jewess friends who are
born again in Christ
baptized in water
baptized in the Holy Spirit
tongues speaking, singing, praying believers.
They are married to male Gentile believers who are likewise born again in Christ.

Your twisting of the Scriptures to claim such things as you do makes you outside the Bible doctrine that tells us wonderful and marvelous things about the plans the LORD has for His beloved namesake -after He calls we born again in Christ believers who are the Church home in the rapture, and we the Church are made up of both male and female, and Jew and Gentile, slave men and freemen, though we are adopted into the One Living Spirit of the New Man name.

My prior post was totally ignored by you, in that the prophecy of the tribes of Israel being named in the NT was shown by Scripture and refuted your claim.

It gets tiring indeed to constantly refute the false doctrine you bring....
I hope that those who care about truth will seek the LORD themselves to see the Truth that indeed;
God does not lie
does not change His mind
nor has He ever veered from the one plan of salvation from the beginning of creation
and that Salvation comes through His namesake people of the New Man name
who alone received the promises of the adoption and glory
to rehearse until they were all fulfilled..

We Gentile believers are in the age of grace while the signs to the sign nation are on a sabbatical,
until the fulness of the Gentiles -the harvest of Pentecost- is come in -gathered into the barn [which is Heaven, above -Haggai 2], in the rapture.
Then, as Paul said; "Look out world!" For there is a great harvest of sons of God coming through the redemption of His namesake people,
and a terrible judgment coming on the world:
to His own to refine them
and to the world to judge them for their treatment of His namesake people
and blasphemy against His name
and lies against His Word.

 

[ebedmelech]

Your twisted and out of context Scriptures will never be accepted against the Word of God itself and FYI: I am not a seed of Jacob nor of his twelve tribes. That is total nonsense.

I am a female Gentile
born again in Christ
baptized in water
baptized in the Holy Spirit
tongues speaking, singing, praying Believer;
married for 50 years to a male Gentile
born again in Christ
baptized in water
baptized in the Holy Spirit
tongues speaking, singing, praying believer.

I have some female Jewess friends who are
born again in Christ
baptized in water
baptized in the Holy Spirit
tongues speaking, singing, praying believers.
They are married to male Gentile believers who are likewise born again in Christ.

Your twisting of the Scriptures to claim such things as you do makes you outside the Bible doctrine that tells us wonderful and marvelous things about the plans the LORD has for His beloved namesake -after He calls we born again in Christ believers who are the Church home in the rapture, and we the Church are made up of both male and female, and Jew and Gentile, slave men and freemen, though we are adopted into the One Living Spirit of the New Man name.

My prior post was totally ignored by you, in that the prophecy of the tribes of Israel being named in the NT was shown by Scripture and refuted your claim.

It gets tiring indeed to constantly refute the false doctrine you bring....
I hope that those who care about truth will seek the LORD themselves to see the Truth that indeed;
God does not lie
does not change His mind
nor has He ever veered from the one plan of salvation from the beginning of creation
and that Salvation comes through His namesake people of the New Man name
who alone received the promises of the adoption and glory
to rehearse until they were all fulfilled..

We Gentile believers are in the age of grace while the signs to the sign nation are on a sabbatical,
until the fulness of the Gentiles -the harvest of Pentecost- is come in -gathered into the barn [which is Heaven, above -Haggai 2], in the rapture.
Then, as Paul said; "Look out world!" For there is a great harvest of sons of God coming through the redemption of His namesake people,
and a terrible judgment coming on the world:
to His own to refine them
and to the world to judge them for their treatment of His namesake people
and blasphemy against His name
and lies against His Word.

All of that *sounds good*...but all you can say is I twisted scripture. As usual, you find yourself unable to deal with what I provided.

What you posted is erroneous.and indeed I did refute it with the scripture! What you did was turn your head. So the post in which I responded remains unanswered. Why? Because it gripped you...and when you consider it you *may* begin to see it not about "the flesh" with God, it's about the Spirit!

I am born again descendant of Abraham, of the "TRUE CIRCUMCISION", which is given in Christ! I am of the 144,000 of the 12 tribes of TRUE ISRAEL, that is seen by John in Revelation as a great multitude which no one could number in with palm branches in white robes!

You believe a erroneous theology, whether you be Gentile or Jew doesn't matter...it's error because you don't accept that God has ONE PEOPLE. That people is all who come to Christ...they are the SEED of Abraham!

No matter what you say it's right there..."AND IF YOU BE IN CHRIST, YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S DESCENDANTS, HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE."

That's what it says...when you can refute what I provided...let me know...