3rd Temple coming soon..

[ShedSinforChrist]

I think there's a basic flaw in this whole argument here.

The temple became and has been the church since the resurrection. Jesus is the cornerstone.

The apostles are at the temple because they will do exactly as Jesus said. Jesus told them to begin preaching the gospel in Jerusalem...so what better place to do that than at the temple?

The temple will be of significance to those still under the Old Covenant, however we see Peter and Paul teaching us the church is the temple of God.

Jesus made it clear to "the woman at the well" that Jerusalem nor mountains were no longer of significance to God's people in John 4:21-23
21 Jesus *said to her, “Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.
23 But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

That *should* clear this up.

I agree in part.

Jesus gave her prophecy that wasnt fulfilled.
Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

How could she worship in the temple? She was a gentile. Christ wasnt saying that she would no longer worship God in Jerusalem, she never would have anyways. He was saying that salvation would no longer require the law, but faith instead. He was talking about the proof of his resurrection.

Joh 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.



Christians did in fact worship in the Temple, I doubt they were sacrificing though, after the ultimate sacrifice just took place, but they still worshiped God, just like you do.

Luk 24:50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
Luk 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
Luk 24:53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

So, they in fact were not preaching the Gospel, but worshiping in the Temple.



But thats not really who we are talking about, as Jesus Christ specifically told the disciples what to do.

Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy

Its the same in Mark, but you get what I am saying.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

You completely missed the point of this verse.

So are todays fake Talmudic Cult Jews, according to this:
“I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

I would like to publicly retract this statement of mine, Parousia was absolutely correct and I made it seem he wasnt.

Parousia, you are correct in you assessment of the "synagogue of satan" and those who say they are Jews and are not.

I missed what you were saying,

Apologies

 

[parousia70]

But the Jews worship God. Muslims worship a false God.

Todays Jews do not Worship the God of Abraham any more than todays Muslims do.

The Cult Jews are satanists, obviously. They believe in mysticism and some crazy stuff like that.

ALL of todays Jews fall under that umbrella Mate.
There are NO jews today that follow the Law of Moses. Not a single one.

The follow the Cult of the Talmud, and are equally rejected by the one true living God they way He rejects Muslims, atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, Hinus, etc....

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Todays Jews do not Worship the God of Abraham any more than todays Muslims do.
ALL of todays Jews fall under that umbrella Mate.
There are NO jews today that follow the Law of Moses. Not a single one.

The follow the Cult of the Talmud, and are equally rejected by the one true living God they way He rejects Muslims, atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, Hinus, etc....

You havent been to Israel, I can tell.

Jews worship the same God we do, and observe the OT laws. I do agree, there are sects of Judaism that are more akin to mysticism, racism, and ultimately satanic worship. But you are essentially condemning an entire race, condemn not, and you will not be condemned.

Are you even aware of how many Christians live in Israel?

Where did you get the idea that all Jews follow the talmud?

 

[ebedmelech]

I agree in part.

Jesus gave her prophecy that wasnt fulfilled.
Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

How could she worship in the temple? She was a gentile. Christ wasnt saying that she would no longer worship God in Jerusalem, she never would have anyways. He was saying that salvation would no longer require the law, but faith instead. He was talking about the proof of his resurrection.

Well let's back up a second, because Jesus said the "hour cometh "AND NOW IS"...He effectively said the time was right then!

Jesus knew exactly what He was saying. Let's not forget when He cleansed the temple in John 2 He said in John 2:19-22:
19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
20 The Jews then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
22 So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.

That flows perfectly with Hebrews 9 and 10, which is primarily telling us how Jesus replaced the temple, sanctuary, and the holy artifacts within it, as He is the fulfillment of them...and effectively brings the New Covenant.

Joh 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Exactly, and what is that? It's the Holy Spirit which takes up residence in us at conversion. That is how we become "the temple of God"! The Jews needed the priest to go int the "holy of holies" where God would appear above the "mercy seat". That is not so with Christians because of the New Covenant. God is in us by the Holy Spirit, Jesus is our High Priest in heaven, and we are His priesthood!

Christians did in fact worship in the Temple, I doubt they were sacrificing though, after the ultimate sacrifice just took place, but they still worshiped God, just like you do.

Luk 24:50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
Luk 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
Luk 24:53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

So, they in fact were not preaching the Gospel, but worshiping in the Temple.

However we have other narratives of HOW that happened. They did that because Jesus told them to wait for the "promise of the Father" which came at Pentecost! You have to hold these things within perspective.

*Acts 1 continues the story of what was going on. They returned to Jerusalem and were in the "upper room" where God elected Matthias (through casting lots) to replace Judas.

*They're at the temple for Pentecost where the Holy Spirit comes, and Peter introduces the New Covenant through the gospel...(Acts 2).

But thats not really who we are talking about, as Jesus Christ specifically told the disciples what to do.

Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy

Its the same in Mark, but you get what I am saying.

Indeed it is...but as I said, in Acts 1, we have the story of HOW that went. "THEY" are the disciples along with the 12, and they were worshiping God, amongst themselves for what they know has happened through the Lord's cucifixion, resurrection, and ascension.

So in Acts 1 and 2 we get "the rest of the story"...

 

[shturt678s]

Show me in scripture what the Antichrist, son of perdition, man of sin, Lawless one, and the Beast are.

Oh wait, you cant.

Although above my paygrade

Jack

 

[parousia70]

Jews worship the same God we do, and observe the OT laws.

Not one single Jew today observes the OT Law of Moses. Not one.

AD70 made that impossible.

 

[parousia70]

Where did you get the idea that all Jews follow the talmud?

You see, Rabinic Judiasm replaced Mosaic Judiasm after the temple fell:

From Rabbinic Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rabbinic Judaism or Rabbinism (Hebrew: "Yahadut Rabanit" - יהדות רבני&#1514 has been the mainstream form of Judaism since the 6th century CE, after the codification of the Babylonian Talmud. Growing out of Pharisaic Judaism, Rabbinic Judaism became the predominant stream within the Jewish diaspora between the 2nd and 6th centuries, with the redaction of the oral law and the Talmud as the authoritative interpretation of Jewish scripture and to encourage the practice of Judaism in the absence of Temple sacrifice and other practices no longer possible.


Mainstream Rabbinic Judaism contrasts with Karaite Judaism (Hebrew: יהדות קראי&#1514, which does not recognize the oral law as a divine authority nor the Rabbinic procedures used to interpret Jewish scripture. Although there are now profound differences among Jewish denominations of Rabbinic Judaism with respect to the binding force of halakha and the willingness to challenge preceding interpretations, all identify themselves as coming from the tradition of the oral law and the Rabbinic method of analysis. It is this which distinguishes them as Rabbinic Jews, in comparison to Karaite Judaism.

 

[parousia70]

But you are essentially condemning an entire race,

A Race?

Do me a favor... click on this picture and let me know which JEW pictured is of the "Jewish Race" that you say I am condemning??

?

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Well let's back up a second, because Jesus said the "hour cometh "AND NOW IS"...He effectively said the time was right then!

Christs resurrection would be the "the hour cometh" regarding her, she was a gentile.

Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.


Clearly Christ is referring to the Jews in these passages who are worshiping, as they have Christ as their Messiah, and know it.

Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

"Now is" is referring to the Jews, not the woman. He is referring to those who have followed Christ, and indeed the Jews were the true worshipers. Thats why there are two verses, one that says "the hour cometh", and one that says "now is"

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. (true worshipers)

Jesus knew exactly what He was saying. Let's not forget when He cleansed the temple in John 2 He said in John 2:19-22:
19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
20 The Jews then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
22 So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.

Im not sure what you mean here, I agree with the scripture. Supportive data Im assuming?

That flows perfectly with Hebrews 9 and 10, which is primarily telling us how Jesus replaced the temple, sanctuary, and the holy artifacts within it, as He is the fulfillment of them...and effectively brings the New Covenant.

Can you quote the verses for your case please?

Exactly, and what is that? It's the Holy Spirit which takes up residence in us at conversion. That is how we become "the temple of God"! The Jews needed the priest to go int the "holy of holies" where God would appear above the "mercy seat". That is not so with Christians because of the New Covenant. God is in us by the Holy Spirit, Jesus is our High Priest in heaven, and we are His priesthood!

No arguments here!

However we have other narratives of HOW that happened. They did that because Jesus told them to wait for the "promise of the Father" which came at Pentecost! You have to hold these things within perspective.


*Acts 1 continues the story of what was going on. They returned to Jerusalem and were in the "upper room" where God elected Matthias (through casting lots) to replace Judas.

*They're at the temple for Pentecost where the Holy Spirit comes, and Peter introduces the New Covenant through the gospel...(Acts 2).


Indeed it is...but as I said, in Acts 1, we have the story of HOW that went. "THEY" are the disciples along with the 12, and they were worshiping God, amongst themselves for what they know has happened through the Lord's cucifixion, resurrection, and ascension.

So in Acts 1 and 2 we get "the rest of the story"...

Can you quote the verses for your case?

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

A Race?

Do me a favor... click on this picture and let me know which JEW pictured is of the "Jewish Race"??

View attachment 131984?

You have got to be kidding right?

You do realize there were 12 tribes right? That not all Jews look genetically Identical right?

Do all white people look the same to you?

 

[parousia70]

You have got to be kidding right?

You do realize there were 12 tribes right? That not all Jews look genetically Identical right?

So you were wrong to call them a "race"?

Do all white people look the same to you?

well, none of them look Black to me... are you saying you know white people who look black?
(No Michael Jackson Jokes please....)

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Not one single Jew today observes the OT Law of Moses. Not one.

AD70 made that impossible.

How so?

I follow these on instinct.

Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (Jews worship YHWH)
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: (Christians are more guilty of this than Jews)
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (Jews observe the true sabbath of YHWH which is Saturday, or Friday evening until Sat evening) Christians dont do this, but that is ok, we are told this.(Col2:16)
Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother:
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.


Exactly how did Jesus make it impossible for the Jews to follow these commandments again?

Your statement is either unwarranted or just plain dumb.

Take your pick.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

So you were wrong to call them a "race"?




well, none of them look Black to me... are you saying you know white people who look black?

Yes and no, as all humans share the same genotype.

I guess genetically speaking we could completely derail this thread on how genotypes work and phenotypical expression manifests, but yes, I believe the Jews are tied to their ancestors genetically.

But there are 12 tribes, so Jews do not all look the same.

Ethiopian Jews for example are dark in color. But would have descended from their ancestors.

Jews breed within their families pretty consistently. Thats how they survived for 2000 years.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

(No Michael Jackson Jokes please....)

Wait, you have a sense of humor?

This whole time?

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

You see, Rabinic Judiasm replaced Mosaic Judiasm after the temple fell:

From Rabbinic Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rabbinic Judaism or Rabbinism (Hebrew: "Yahadut Rabanit" - יהדות רבני&#1514 has been the mainstream form of Judaism since the 6th century CE, after the codification of the Babylonian Talmud. Growing out of Pharisaic Judaism, Rabbinic Judaism became the predominant stream within the Jewish diaspora between the 2nd and 6th centuries, with the redaction of the oral law and the Talmud as the authoritative interpretation of Jewish scripture and to encourage the practice of Judaism in the absence of Temple sacrifice and other practices no longer possible.


Mainstream Rabbinic Judaism contrasts with Karaite Judaism (Hebrew: יהדות קראי&#1514, which does not recognize the oral law as a divine authority nor the Rabbinic procedures used to interpret Jewish scripture. Although there are now profound differences among Jewish denominations of Rabbinic Judaism with respect to the binding force of halakha and the willingness to challenge preceding interpretations, all identify themselves as coming from the tradition of the oral law and the Rabbinic method of analysis. It is this which distinguishes them as Rabbinic Jews, in comparison to Karaite Judaism.

I dont see what any of this has to do with the commandments given by Moses from God.

I suppose you are referring to Mosaic law?

Stone your children type of stuff? Yes, the Jews clearly do not observe Mosaic law, but thats not what made them Jewish. They were the only people to worship the true God, as gentiles were worshiping anything they could get their hands on, and even some Jews.

 

[ebedmelech]

Christs resurrection would be the "the hour cometh" regarding her, she was a gentile.

Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.


Clearly Christ is referring to the Jews in these passages who are worshiping, as they have Christ as their Messiah, and know it.

Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

"Now is" is referring to the Jews, not the woman. He is referring to those who have followed Christ, and indeed the Jews were the true worshipers. Thats why there are two verses, one that says "the hour cometh", and one that says "now is"

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. (true worshipers)

Well let's examine that and get the flow, because this is a "face to face conversation". Let's remove the narratives and verses...and we will see the conversation in entirety:
John 4:
The woman: “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped in this mountain, and you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.”

Jesus: “Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Where in that does Jesus say true worshipers are Jews? The fact is He doesn't and He's speaking to a Gentile! We know from the rest of the converstion she becomes saved herself...so she in fact becomes a true worshiper! So I think there's a flaw in your argument "true worshipers are those who will believe period...irregardless of race!

When Jesus said "salvation is of the Jews" this is because HE (Jesus), came through the Jewish line and Jesus IS salvation. That's what His name means!

The conversation continues:
The woman “I know that Messiah is coming (He who is called Christ); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us.”

Jesus: “I who speak to you am He.”

Jesus has introduced Himself as messiah to her, and she is a Samaritain, who is about to become a "true worshiper"!

Im not sure what you mean here, I agree with the scripture. Supportive data Im assuming?

Can you quote the verses for your case please?

The meaning is that Jesus is the temple! I gave Hebrews 9 & 10 to make the point. That's the scriptural support! The passage says Jesus spoke of HIS BODY as the temple. I think Hebrews 9 & 10 makes that point! Jesus is the "tabernacle" (temple), made without hands"...Hebrews 9:11, 12!

Can you quote the verses for your case?

There's nothing to quote really...if you read Acts 1 it is telling you of Jesus ascension and what the 12 and the disciples did after that.

Acts 2 is the day of Pentecost...and the 12 and the disciples are there to receive the Holy Spirit and Peter does the first preaching of the gospel! Prior to that they are pretty much among themselves in worship as they obey Jesus. Jesus told them to "wait for the promise of the Father...which is the Holy Spirit. Acts 1:1-4 makes the case!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by parousia70

A Race?

Do me a favor... click on this picture and let me know which JEW pictured is of the "Jewish Race"??

Attachment 131984?
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You have got to be kidding right?

You do realize there were 12 tribes right? That not all Jews look genetically Identical right?

Do all white people look the same to you?

Reminds me of this:

American Orthodox Jewish convert to Islam with his family

"And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), those who believe in Allah, and that which has been revealed to you and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before Allah: They will not sell the Revelations of Allah for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and Allah is swift in account."{Holy Quran 3:199}

Joseph Cohen moved from the United States to Israel as a devout Jew in 1998, but within three years he had converted to Islam and become Yosef Mohammed Khatib.
Now he refuses to say the word Israel, choosing instead to call the area "Palestine." His four children study the Qur'an, the Muslim holy book, instead of the Torah, its Jewish counterpart.
It was while living in the desert town of Netivot that Khatib met a sheik from the United Arab Emirates through an Internet chat about Israel. Khatib said he spent hours corresponding with the sheik, discussing theology. Gradually he began to see Judaism as racist and turned toward Islam after reading the Qur'an, he told Channel 10 TV. The report did not say where he lived in the United States or give his age.
Last year he told his wife of 10 years, Luna, also a devout Jew from the United States, that he wanted to convert to Islam.
"I said, `Listen, I love you very much ... and I have to be honest with you,'" Khatib said in the TV interview. "I read the Qur'an and I agree with everything it says in the Qur'an, and if I continue saying that I'm a religious Jew, I would be a liar."
The family converted together and moved from Netivot to an Arab neighborhood in east Jerusalem. The children went from being top in their classes on Judaism studies to being well-versed in Islam, he said.
Instead of supporting the Israeli Orthodox Jewish political party Shas, Khatib now supports the Palestinians and believes in Islamic state should be set up where Israel and the Palestinian areas are now located.
Wearing the white skullcap and robes of a religious Muslim, Khatib denied his Jewish past, insisting that he is 100 percent Muslim. He made a parody of a blessing that observant Jews say every morning, in which they thank God for not making them gentiles.

"Blessed are Thou, Lord Our God," Khatib began in the traditional Jewish blessing, but ended it with, "for not making me a Jew."



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[ShedSinforChrist]

Well let's examine that and get the flow, because this is a "face to face conversation". Let's remove the narratives and verses...and we will see the conversation in entirety:
John 4:
The woman: “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped in this mountain, and you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.”

Jesus: “Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Where in that does Jesus say true worshipers are Jews? The fact is He doesn't and He's speaking to a Gentile! We know from the rest of the converstion she becomes saved herself...so she in fact becomes a true worshiper! So I think there's a flaw in your argument "true worshipers are those who will believe period...irregardless of race!

I see what you are saying, but this verse does imply a separation (Jews/Gentiles)
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. (Ye=Gentile, We=Jews)

When Jesus said "salvation is of the Jews" this is because HE (Jesus), came through the Jewish line and Jesus IS salvation. That's what His name means!

Couldnt agree more.

The conversation continues:
The woman “I know that Messiah is coming (He who is called Christ); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us.”

Jesus: “I who speak to you am He.”

Jesus has introduced Himself as messiah to her, and she is a Samaritain, who is about to become a "true worshiper"!

Im sure she did, lol, but the Gentiles werent Christs focus, for a reason! Paul details this "mystery" and everything else to the gentiles, but the Gospel had to come to the Jews first. I guess it was more of a master plan, Christ could have gone to as many gentiles as he wanted, but he didnt for a reason. What a lucky woman, just imagine.

The meaning is that Jesus is the temple! I gave Hebrews 9 & 10 to make the point. That's the scriptural support! The passage says Jesus spoke of HIS BODY as the temple. I think Hebrews 9 & 10 makes that point! Jesus is the "tabernacle" (temple), made without hands"...Hebrews 9:11, 12!

I believe in this, but you are going to have a hard time making your case in Jerusalem, lol

There's nothing to quote really...if you read Acts 1 it is telling you of Jesus ascension and what the 12 and the disciples did after that.

Acts 2 is the day of Pentecost...and the 12 and the disciples are there to receive the Holy Spirit and Peter does the first preaching of the gospel! Prior to that they are pretty much among themselves in worship as they obey Jesus. Jesus told them to "wait for the promise of the Father...which is the Holy Spirit. Acts 1:1-4 makes the case!

Ill read and study Acts more diligently. If there is a link the to the end of Luke specifically, Ill find it.

Thanks!

 

[ebedmelech]

I see what you are saying, but this verse does imply a separation (Jews/Gentiles)
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. (Ye=Gentile, We=Jews)

On the contrary. I think it's simply making the point that before Christ, Gentiles had no real knowledge of how to worship God. This was because Israel did not *for the most part* continue to be the people God called them to be, Nations were to come to the knowledge of God through them, just as through us now!

The Jews knew God because they were in covenant with God. Jesus is going to "bridge the gap" and He reveals himself to this Gentile woman as messiah!

Im sure she did, lol, but the Gentiles werent Christs focus, for a reason! Paul details this "mystery" and everything else to the gentiles, but the Gospel had to come to the Jews first. I guess it was more of a master plan, Christ could have gone to as many gentiles as he wanted, but he didnt for a reason. What a lucky woman, just imagine.

Oh no! As we read the gospels we see Jesus granting Gentiles salvation...so that cannot be the point. A point that is *sometimes* neglected is that even in Judaism a Gentile could become a Jew! Exodus 12:42-49 makes that point as God tells Moses as He intstitutes the Passover:
42 It is a night to be observed for the Lord for having brought them out from the land of Egypt; this night is for the Lord, to be observed by all the sons of Israel throughout their generations.
43 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “This is the ordinance of the Passover: no foreigner is to eat of it;
44 but every man’s slave purchased with money, after you have circumcised him, then he may eat of it.
45 A sojourner or a hired servant shall not eat of it.
46 It is to be eaten in a single house; you are not to bring forth any of the flesh outside of the house, nor are you to break any bone of it.
47 All the congregation of Israel are to celebrate this.
48 But if a stranger sojourns with you, and celebrates the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near to celebrate it; and he shall be like a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person may eat of it.
49 The same law shall apply to the native as to the stranger who sojourns among you.”
This is why we find Gentiles who converted to Judaism in the Line of Christ, like Rahab and Ruth!

I believe in this, but you are going to have a hard time making your case in Jerusalem, lol

Well yes...but at the same time it would be no different than it was for the apostle Paul. We find this to be an issue in Acts 15. Paul wrote of this issue constantly...particulary in Galatians and Ephesians. So when we find it difficult for Jews we may witness to, to receive Jesus as their meassiah and they refuse, Romans 11:25, 26 should come to mind.

Ill read and study Acts more diligently. If there is a link the to the end of Luke specifically, Ill find it.

There is! We see the link in the opening verse of each. Luke is writing to a man named Theophilus in both. Acts is a sequel to Luke!

Thanks!

Glad we can agree...