3rd Temple coming soon..

[parousia70]

Show me in scripture what the Antichrist, son of perdition, man of sin, Lawless one, and the Beast are.

Oh wait, you cant.

The Bible does not teach that the Beast, antichrist and Man of Sin are the same individual... such is invented from man made tradition alone.

The following is the ENTIRE scriptural teaching on Antichrist:
Show me from these scriptures where it says antichrist will sit in Gods temple and declare himself God:

1. 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
2. 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
3. 1 John 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
4. 2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Oh wait, you can't.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Also, perhaps you can elaborate on what makes this future Jewish Temple "The Temple of God"?
You seem to indicate elsewhere that this future Jewish temple will be a "Mistake" and that God will NOT Dwell in it...but now you say it will be "The Temple of God"?

The Temple is a mistake by the Jews, because the reason they are building it is to continue the old covenant practices.

Doesnt mean the Temple itself is bad, its just a building, a structure, an architectural design built with brick and mortar.

If it was built, I wouldnt consider it any different than a Christian Building.

Both are houses built to Glorify God.

Salvation is a personal matter however, and the Jews apparently are never going to accept Christ, at least until the two witness show up and God seals the 144,000 from each of the descendants of the 12 tribes.

Prophecy 101

 

[parousia70]

The Temple is a mistake by the Jews, because the reason they are building it is to continue the old covenant practices.

Doesnt mean the Temple itself is bad, its just a building, a structure, an architectural design built with brick and mortar.

If it was built, I wouldnt consider it any different than a Christian Building.

Both are houses built to Glorify God.

So you would say that the Muslim Dome of the Rock, or any Muslim Mosque is also a Building built to Glorify God?

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

The Bible does not teach that the Beast, antichrist and Man of Sin are the same individual... such is invented from man made tradition alone.

The following is the ENTIRE scriptural teaching on Antichrist:
Show me from these scriptures where it says antichrist will sit in Gods temple and declare himself God:

1. 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
2. 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
3. 1 John 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
4. 2 John 1:7 [ Beware of Antichrist Deceivers ] For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Oh wait, you can't.

Antichrist is a spirit, get on board with Christianity 101.

The Beast is not a "single" person, get on board with Christianity 101

The Lawless one, one being singlular is a human.

The man of sin, Man, being singular is a human.

The son of perdition, son being singular, is a human.

Are there three different "bad guys" if you can show me who they are, Ill listen, but you cant.


Often, we as Christians refer to the Lawless one or Man of sin, the son of perdition, as the Antichrist, because that's the spirit he invokes.

Baby level, infantile comprehension Christianity, get on board.

I notice you come to me with a lot of questions, glad I can help.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

So you would say that the Muslim Dome of the Rock, or any Muslim Mosque is also a Building built to Glorify God?

The Dome of the Rock is built to Glorify Allah, a pagan god that doesnt exist. If you worship Allah, you are going to hell.

If you as a Christian were to stand in the Mosque and worship God and profess Jesus, nothing would happen, you are a Christian.


YHWH is the same God the Jews and Christians worship.

Christians have salvation in Christ, we are Gentiles.

Jews have salvation by covenant, but when Christ came, salvation was made easier by faith in Christ.

If the Jews dont come to Christ, they will suffer dearly. Why? Because they cannot keep the law, and one sin makes them accountable to it.

 

[parousia70]

Show me in scripture what the Antichrist, son of perdition, man of sin, Lawless one, and the Beast are.

Oh wait, you cant.

Ahhh but I can!

We will start with antichrist

1. 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
2. 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
3. 1 John 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
4. 2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

From the above explicit, direct teaching on antichrist, we can know for certain that antichrist was a:
1st century Church Hersey

A SPIRIT that affected MANY
Who's presence in the world at that time Was PROOF to St John that the LAST HOUR of the LAST DAYS had come upon HIM and his contemporaries.




That is What THE BIBLE teaches about antichrist... anything NOT taught about antichrist in these four passages (will sit in the temple, etc..) is taught by MAN MADE TRADITION alone, and has NO BASIS IN SCRIPTURE.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Ahhh but I can!

We will start with antichrist

1. 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
2. 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
3. 1 John 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
4. 2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

From the above explicit, direct teaching on antichrist, we can know for certain that antichrist was a:
1st century Church Hersey

A SPIRIT that affected MANY
Who's presence in the world at that time Was PROOF to St John that the LAST HOUR of the LAST DAYS had come upon HIM and his contemporaries.




That is What THE BIBLE teaches about antichrist... anything NOT taught about antichrist in these four passages (will sit in the temple, etc..) is taught by MAN MADE TRADITION alone, and has NO BASIS IN SCRIPTURE.

VERY GOOD!

So you understand that antichrist is a spirit of evil, of satan, and not an actual human, and anyone with this spirit is "antichrist".

Great, so we can mark that off the list.

That just leaves the Lawless one, Man of Sin, Son of perdition.(All are antichrist btw)

Make me proud!

Im waiting patiently.

 

[parousia70]

The Dome of the Rock is built to Glorify Allah, a pagan god that doesnt exist. If you worship Allah, you are going to hell.

You do know that Christian Bibles translated into Arabic use the word Allah for God right?

YHWH is the same God the Jews and Christians worship.

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Christians have salvation in Christ, we are Gentiles.

Christians are the new man - neither jew nor gentile. But made up of Both Jew and Gentile alike... to say Christians are Gentiles is simply flat out WRONG. The Church is JEWISH, with Gentiles grafted in, to make up the new man.

Jews have salvation by covenant,

NO, they Don't.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

 

[parousia70]

VERY GOOD!


That just leaves the Lawless one, Man of Sin, Son of perdition.(All are antichrist btw)

Now it's your turn.

Show us HOW the beast and Man of sin ARE Antichrist, according to scripture.

I'll be waiting patiently.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Now it's your turn.

Show us HOW the beast and Man of sin ARE Antichrist, according to scripture.

I'll be waiting patiently.

Fair is fair.

Well you yourself just told me that antichrist is a spirit, and any one who is a deceiver is antichrist.

Man of sin- sin goes against Christ, ergo, man of sin is an antichrist. Simple.

That leaves the beast.

Rev_17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Is the Beast a new world government, form of rule? That is my opinion, but we just wont know until it happens.

Now, who is this man? This man of sin? The son of perdition?

Well, to actually identify his persona, we will just have to wait, lets see what Jesus says.

Joh_17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

2Th_2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Ok, so the man of sin, and the son of perdition are the same person.

So we have a person, (Man of sin/Son of perdition)
An evil spirit, (AntiChrist)
And a beast, (made of 10 kings, all of antichrist spirit)

With me so far?

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

You do know that Christian Bibles translated into Arabic use the word Allah for God right?



John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.



Christians are the new man - neither jew nor gentile. But made up of Both Jew and Gentile alike... to say Christians are Gentiles is simply flat out WRONG. The Church is JEWISH, with Gentiles grafted in, to make up the new man.



NO, they Don't.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

No, all are the seed of Abraham in Christ. If a group of people are not in Christ, they are Gentiles and Jews. Jews have the rights to the Gospel before the Gentiles. Fact of life mate, deal with it.

If you want to call YHWH "Allah" be my guest.

Notice how you cut off part of my post, as a form of deception to the readers.

Lets make sure they understand what i said, in its entirety, since you wanna play games like a child.

If the Jews dont come to Christ, they will suffer dearly. Why? Because they cannot keep the law, and one sin makes them accountable to it.

 

[parousia70]

Fair is fair.

Well you yourself just told me that antichrist is a spirit, and any one who is a deceiver is antichrist.

Man of sin- sin goes against Christ, ergo, man of sin is an antichrist. Simple.

That leaves the beast.

Rev_17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Is the Beast a new world government, form of rule? That is my opinion, but we just wont know until it happens.

Now, who is this man? This man of sin? The son of perdition?

Well, to actually identify his persona, we will just have to wait, lets see what Jesus says.

Joh_17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

2Th_2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Ok, so the man of sin, and the son of perdition are the same person.

So we have a person, (Man of sin/Son of perdition)
An evil spirit, (AntiChrist)
And a beast, (made of 10 kings, all of antichrist spirit)

With me so far?

The problem with your theory is that St John is explicit in his teaching on Antichrist that THEY came from WITHIN the Church ranks at that time but departed from them:

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. (1 Jn 2:19)


So... show us where scripture records that the Beast or Man of Sin/Son of Perdition came from within the ranks of the 1st century Christian Church as John says antichrist did.

Also, show us where scripture teaches that the Beast or Man of Sin denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, another qualifier for "antichrist".

 

[parousia70]

Jews have the rights to the Gospel before the Gentiles. Fact of life mate, deal with it.

How have I not dealt with that?
What have I said that contradicts that?
You are the one saying the Church ISN'T Jewish...

If you want to call YHWH "Allah" be my guest.

Allah/YHWH is the name of the God of Abraham, the God Jews/Christians and Muslims Worship.... though Christians are the only group that God recognizes as His covenant people, because again, "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

Contrary to your assertion, God does not favor Jewish Christ rejectors over Muslim Christ rejectors.

Both Groups are equally treated by God.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

The problem with your theory is that St John is explicit in his teaching on Antichrist that THEY came from WITHIN the Church ranks at that time but departed from them:

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. (1 Jn 2:19)


So... show us where scripture records that the Beast or Man of Sin/Son of Perdition came from within the ranks of 1st century Christian Church as John says antichrist did.

Also, show us where scripture teaches that the Beast or Man of Sin denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, another qualifier for "antichrist".

Deceivers, false prophets? You forgot the verse above that, let me show you what Im talking about.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Future and present antichrists, John details this in this verse.

1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

The "many antichrists" that went out from them is referring to the present time according to John.

More antichrist persons shall come

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Also, show us where scripture teaches that the Beast or Man of Sin denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, another qualifier for "antichrist".

Deny Christ? He is going to pretend to be Christ!

Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

How have I not dealt with that?
What have I said that contradicts that?

Allah/YHWH is the name of the God of Abraham, the God Jews/Christians and Muslims Worship.... though Christians are the only group that God recognizes as His covenant people.

Contrary to your assertion, God does not favor Jewish Christ rejectors over Muslim Christ rejectors.

Both Groups are equally treated by God.

I disagree, but that is an opinion of mine based on my understanding of Scripture, I know that many Jews are going to die rejecting Christ, but God doesnt bring anyone into this world without giving them a chance for salvation.

Do you know how Gentiles received salvation before Jesus Christ? I can teach you from scripture about how this was possible.

The same way not all Jews are going to be condemned for their ignorance.

To be a muslim, you have to affirm faith in Allah, not YHWH, Allah, and you have to claim that Mohammad is his prophet.

Muslims teach the Jesus was a prophet, but they deny him as the son of God.

Muslims are satan worshipers.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

So... show us where scripture records that the Beast or Man of Sin/Son of Perdition came from within the ranks of the 1st century Christian Church as John says antichrist did.

I dont believe that he (MoS) ever did yet, I believe its a future prophecy, how can I show you that? What anitchrists are you referring to specifically, scripture doesnt detail this event, nor do historical records.

Also, show us where scripture teaches that the Beast or Man of Sin denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, another qualifier for "antichrist".

Just so you can get an idea of how the man of sin is going to make his entrance.


2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

 

[parousia70]

I disagree, but that is an opinion of mine based on my understanding of Scripture, I know that many Jews are going to die rejecting Christ, but God doesnt bring anyone into this world without giving them a chance for salvation.

Do you know how Gentiles received salvation before Jesus Christ? I can teach you from scripture about how this was possible.

The same way not all Jews are going to be condemned for their ignorance.

So, again your interpretation has Jesus Lying when He said this:
“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

Fo YOU say it is Possible to come to the father APART from Christ!

Muslims teach the Jesus was a prophet, but they deny him as the son of God.

And Jews don't believe Jesus was even a prophet!, Much lest the Christ.

Muslims are satan worshipers.

So are todays fake Talmudic Cult Jews, according to this:
“I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

 

[parousia70]

Originally Posted by parousia70

So... show us where scripture records that the Beast or Man of Sin/Son of Perdition came from within the ranks of the 1st century Christian Church as John says antichrist did.
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I dont believe that he (MoS) ever did yet, I believe its a future prophecy, how can I show you that?

Well, your future Man of Sin does not fit the Biblical definition of Antichrist then does he?

Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

So, at the second coming, if you and I are standing next to each other and you say to me "Look, it's Jesus coming on the clouds!" I am not to believe you?

 

[ebedmelech]

I think there's a basic flaw in this whole argument here.

The temple became and has been the church since the resurrection. Jesus is the cornerstone.

The apostles are at the temple because they will do exactly as Jesus said. Jesus told them to begin preaching the gospel in Jerusalem...so what better place to do that than at the temple?

The temple will be of significance to those still under the Old Covenant, however we see Peter and Paul teaching us the church is the temple of God.

Jesus made it clear to "the woman at the well" that Jerusalem nor mountains were no longer of significance to God's people in John 4:21-23
21 Jesus *said to her, “Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.
23 But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

That *should* clear this up.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

So, again your interpretation has Jesus Lying when He said this:
“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

Slow down, your heart rate must be through the roof. I believe that all who are going to gain salvation in Christ will do so according to God not leaving anyone in the dark.

Are you saying a Christian doesnt sin? Does a Christian not forfeit the sacrifice of Christ by sinning continuously?

By your logic an infant that dies during birth goes to hell for not accepting Christ.

So lets set the record straight, I believe that a person who dies truly ignorant of the Gospel will be judged according to the law written on their hearts and how they lived their life.

I believe righteousness is only attainable by being born again here on earth.

Fo YOU say it is Possible to come to the father APART from Christ!

No I didnt, No man comes to the father but by Christ, this is undeniable. But that comes with a choice to reject Christ.

This verse details how every man will have to come through Christ.

Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

And Jews don't believe Jesus was even a prophet!, Much lest the Christ.

So are todays fake Talmudic Cult Jews, according to this:
“I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

But the Jews worship God. Muslims worship a false God.

If you believe otherwise, you need to study Islam, its a joke.

The Cult Jews are satanists, obviously. They believe in mysticism and some crazy stuff like that.


Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

You completely missed the point of this verse.